ghostguy123
Footballguy
How come no replies from the OP?
Weak attempt to drum up a debate, especially when there is no debate.
Weak attempt to drum up a debate, especially when there is no debate.
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Using The Word "Owner" For Fantasy Sports Teams - What Do You Think? (1 Viewer)
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
You are correct here. If you use Draft to do Best Ball it has a feature called “ownership percentage” where it breaks down every player you have drafted on all your teams and how many times.
I think if someone is offended by the use of “guys” in the website or the use of “owner” in fantasy context they probably are being overly sensitive. I think it sounds odd and try to avoid it. However, there’s an equally oversensitive backlash to the idea as well. Some of these posts here have me rolling with laughter.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
And don’t get me started with Black Eyed Joe.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Also with all of the domestic violence and child abuse charges I think we all need to refrain from using terms like Beat The Competition or things like that
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Unless Keith Roberts, Devin Knotts, Ryan Zamicheili, or Craig Zumsteg are females or black, J should probably focus on how he could make his site and this hobby more inclusive of those demographics rather than taking English advice from Steven A. Smith.
I find it interesting that Footballguys clings to their sexist name likely for business reasons while refraining from using the reference Redskins.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
With the amount of dolphins caught in nets annually I’d have a lot of reservations about keeping my product on the Internet.
Nipsey
Footballguy
northern exposure
Footballguy
Not much racial diversity in The Staff is there?This_Guy said:
ETA - Don Quixote beat me to it on Page 1.
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Man, Joe pulled the pin on a grenade and dropped it at his feet.
Yes, I agree that this needs changed to footballpeople.com. 'footballguys' offends me as does 'general manager.'
This place shall now be referred to as FBP.
rockaction
Footballguy
northern exposure
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
The worst/funniest part of this year? When Nashville was playing some team and the announcer kept getting them confused one shift.
Utterly brutal.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I voted "totally agree" although, honestly, I really don't care all that much.
The first time I heard this issue raised was when Draymond Green brought it up maybe a year or so ago about NBA owners. Mark Cuban strongly disagreed. Cuban mentioned most of the same points that have been brought up in the thread. Those points are valid, of course, and my immediate reaction was to side with Cuban.
A year passed and the NBA recently decided to refer to "owners" as "governors". By this time, my feelings are that I'm fine with it. I must admit that it's a little weird for me to hear a mostly white group of men referred to as owning a mostly black group of players. If you don't see this, that's fine. But some people do.
The meaning of words change. It's the nature of language. I don't think we need to fight it. In fact, life is easier when we just roll with it. It's probably a good thing to continue to adapt to changes as we grow older. We all know/knew people from older generations who resisted. What good did that do them?
As far as Joe's decision, it makes sense to me. If fantasy football is around still in 20 years, I'm sure this "owing" language won't be used. Always nice not to be behind the curve.
The first time I heard this issue raised was when Draymond Green brought it up maybe a year or so ago about NBA owners. Mark Cuban strongly disagreed. Cuban mentioned most of the same points that have been brought up in the thread. Those points are valid, of course, and my immediate reaction was to side with Cuban.
A year passed and the NBA recently decided to refer to "owners" as "governors". By this time, my feelings are that I'm fine with it. I must admit that it's a little weird for me to hear a mostly white group of men referred to as owning a mostly black group of players. If you don't see this, that's fine. But some people do.
The meaning of words change. It's the nature of language. I don't think we need to fight it. In fact, life is easier when we just roll with it. It's probably a good thing to continue to adapt to changes as we grow older. We all know/knew people from older generations who resisted. What good did that do them?
As far as Joe's decision, it makes sense to me. If fantasy football is around still in 20 years, I'm sure this "owing" language won't be used. Always nice not to be behind the curve.
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rockaction
Footballguy
The gendered already came for my singular pronouns, do I have to let the T in LBTGQ have them so totally and completely, too? What exactly are we sacrificing here?
rockaction
Footballguy
Hasn't this been a running joke that depends on the absurdity of taboos about white/black designations being racially motivated?
We just had a Betsy Ross flag kiboshed by a giant corporation because that is supposedly racist; this doesn't seem too far off as to ruin the joke.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I would love it to be simpler. The he/she and "singular they" stuff is awkward. If we had just one word for a person (like just "one"), writing would be easier.
northern exposure
Footballguy
The game of pool needs to be changed too! You use a white ball to knock all of the colored balls off the table. And the black ball is the last one that can be knocked off the table!
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
@Joe Bryant, Serious question among all the excellent jokes — Have you actually polled black people (and only black people) how they feel about this issue since not using “owner” seems to be an earnest and noble (albeit misplaced) attempt to not cause offense to that demographic?
This strikes me as similar to some people avoiding using the team name “Redskins” when polling of the demographic that should allegedly be offended by that term shows that the majority of that demographic that others are supposedly acting on behalf of aren’t really offended themselves.
This strikes me as similar to some people avoiding using the team name “Redskins” when polling of the demographic that should allegedly be offended by that term shows that the majority of that demographic that others are supposedly acting on behalf of aren’t really offended themselves.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
You probably didn’t watch the video (and who could blame you) but Steven A. was actually thought it was ridiculous that the NBA was doing away with the word “owner”. He said they own their teams.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Why in the world should he poll black people on this? They wouldn't be offended or harmed in any way by the the switch to "general manager".
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
The majority wouldn’t be offended or harmed in any way by maintaining “owner”.
And why wouldn’t you poll the group whose interests you believe you’re acting on behalf of?
”Hey, other white guys, what do you think about this move that I, another white guy, am doing for black people?”
That doesn’t tell you anything about what the group your acting on behalf of actually thinks or whether they actually want someone to act on their behalf in such a manner.
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Mario Kart
Footballguy
Team Leader
Team Captain
Team Exec
I could see this terms being used and I agree the word "owner" is not the best term to use.
Team Captain
Team Exec
I could see this terms being used and I agree the word "owner" is not the best term to use.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Why is it relegated to only the players?
You say mostly black players.
So an owner owns a team. The 12 players are what 0.5% of the actuall company?
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I think you should include the percentage of people (like me) who think it just sounds weird. Not necessarily offended or harmed.
On one hand, you have a group of people who feel harmed, offended or just think a use of a word seems weird. On the other hand, you have a group of people who want to object to change for anti-PC reasons. If Joe personally wants to make the change, why should he have to kowtow to the latter group?
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Sure, it doesn't have to be relegated to only players. Sometimes, however, we talk about a "team" and that sometimes just means the players. Or, perhaps, just the players and coaches.
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Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
What's amazing is I didn't watch the video for the exact reason that you impliedly described and I'm glad I now know his position. Way to take one for the team, even if just knowing his position might even be too much.
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
It’s Joe’s site. He can do what he wants. I don’t see many people suggesting otherwise.
Right, and we’re just telling Joe the size of that group is smaller than he may believe. The poll results bear that out.
Or it could be for pro-rationality reasons.
sports_fan
Footballguy
handeggpeople.com would be better. Football in most countries in the world refers to a different sport. footballpeople.com is inconsiderate of our foreign subscribers
rockaction
Footballguy
Man, this is right up my alley to be in the majority and I still come out on the #### end.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Oh, Dear me. Did that one get away from me?
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I sense it’s more than that. It clearly is for some. The guy that won’t subscribe to FBGs over this clearly has some deeper concerns.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Joe can do whatever he wants and call things whatever he wants. He OWNS the business.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
And sometimes, however, we talk about "owning a player" which sometimes doesnt mean you own that person at all.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
We’re talking about fantasy football right? Sorry, I think this is a bit much.
I do agree however that this is your show though Joe, and you can do whatever you feel is right.
I do agree however that this is your show though Joe, and you can do whatever you feel is right.
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BassNBrew
Footballguy
BassNBrew
Footballguy
BassNBrew
Footballguy
My apologies to Steven A. Now I'll have to watch/read Steven A's material before I read Joe's.
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