3 years of heavy usage by one of the best in the game at a position prone to injury absolutely justifies holdout under the current CBA.Zeke has 2 more years on his contract once Dallas picks up his option. Pretty soon players will hold out after their 1st year with 4 years left on their contract I mean why wait right ?
Agreed, it's in his best interest. To avoid a Bell style stand off that hurts both parties, his best move is probably to not hold out for maximum money but settle for a bit more than the 4th and 5th year pays himI've been predicting this...and by the way, it's absolutely what he should be doing.
correctThe current CBA is so bad I don't blame any of these guys for holding out for 10 games. He shouldn't pull a Bell and hold out the entire year just the first 10 games and then come back for the final 6 plus sit out the playoffs.
Agree. He and Melvin Gordon are making the smart move.3 years of heavy usage by one of the best in the game at a position prone to injury absolutely justifies holdout under the current CBA.
Not all situations should be painted as the same.
He can't do a Bell.The current CBA is so bad I don't blame any of these guys for holding out for 10 games. He shouldn't pull a Bell and hold out the entire year just the first 10 games and then come back for the final 6 plus sit out the playoffs.
Actually, with the GM/coaching staff on such thin ice in NY..... Barkley could probably get an astronomical contract if he held out right now. Guys like him a Zeke are pretty tough to replace. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think Gordon belongs in that conversation from a talent perspective and he's not really close to the other two.Zeke has 2 more years on his contract once Dallas picks up his option. Pretty soon players will hold out after their 1st year with 4 years left on their contract I mean why wait right ?
Seems easy enough. Show up the absolute last day he can and he'll probably be inactive the first week and 5-10 touches second week. So really only heavy usage the last 4 weeks. Less than 150 touches the next two years sounds ideal for him.He can't do a Bell.
Bell was just a franchise tender. Zeke is under contract he HAS to accrue the year (6 games) or he starts over next year where he is today.
well they can get cut at any time....so I don't blame them....Zeke has 2 more years on his contract once Dallas picks up his option. Pretty soon players will hold out after their 1st year with 4 years left on their contract I mean why wait right ?
Yeap.. was just saying, skipping a season like Bell isn't an option for Zeke.Seems easy enough. Show up the absolute last day he can and he'll probably be inactive the first week and 5-10 touches second week. So really only heavy usage the last 4 weeks. Less than 150 touches the next two years sounds ideal for him.
He won't skip a season, but he should play the minimum if he doesn't get paid.Yeap.. was just saying, skipping a season like Bell isn't an option for Zeke.
Agreed that Jerry pays him. I also agree that Gordon's situation is a bit different and he's less likely to get paid.Jerry feels like the type to cave and pay him...….
the Chargers for Melvin......probably wont
Chargers could give him a slight bump......nothing crazy though......Agreed that Jerry pays him. I also agree that Gordon's situation is a bit different and he's less likely to get paid.
Hard to predict the chargers erratic front office, but agree something in the middle may be the right solution.Chargers could give him a slight bump......nothing crazy though......
Didn't someone say in the MG thread that you have to report before a certain date in the preseason or you don't accure the service time? Bell this didn't apply because he didn't sign his franchise tag and zeke has a contract...bicycle_seat_sniffer said:Jerry feels like the type to cave and pay him...….
the Chargers for Melvin......probably wont
Isn't there a rule against getting a new contract until after the first 3 years or something like that?BoltBacker said:Actually, with the GM/coaching staff on such thin ice in NY..... Barkley could probably get an astronomical contract if he held out right now. Guys like him a Zeke are pretty tough to replace. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think Gordon belongs in that conversation from a talent perspective and he's not really close to the other two.
RB's need to get paid early. I don't fault any of them for holding out of one year deal if they can get a multi year deal. the shelf life is so much shorter then other positions.Zeke has 2 more years on his contract once Dallas picks up his option. Pretty soon players will hold out after their 1st year with 4 years left on their contract I mean why wait right ?
It is week 10 of the season I believe.Didn't someone say in the MG thread that you have to report before a certain date in the preseason or you don't accure the service time? Bell this didn't apply because he didn't sign his franchise tag and zeke has a contract...
I was just reacting to the person who said at this rate people will be asking for a new contract after 1 year.Isn't there a rule against getting a new contract until after the first 3 years or something like that?
But Zeke wants to be fed the ball.3 years of heavy usage by one of the best in the game at a position prone to injury absolutely justifies holdout under the current CBA.
Not all situations should be painted as the same.
Bell came out ok money wise. Not saying he did way better than he would have if he had played for the Steelers but he got a decent amount guaranteed. Hopefully these teams start doing the right thing. These RB get hit more than anybody. They take a beating and should be paid for it.RB's need to get paid early. I don't fault any of them for holding out of one year deal if they can get a multi year deal. the shelf life is so much shorter then other positions.
While true, and correct me if I'm wrong....but Zeke would love that. His $3.85m is fully guaranteed for this year already, and he'd then be a FA to sign anywhere he wants, and he'd obtain a much higher deal.well they can get cut at any time....so I don't blame them....
Exactly. He would obtain a much higher deal. Which means he's underpaid.While true, and correct me if I'm wrong....but Zeke would love that. His $3.85m is fully guaranteed for this year already, and he'd then be a FA to sign anywhere he wants, and he'd obtain a much higher deal.
Same is true, then, of Melvin Gordon.Exactly. He would obtain a much higher deal. Which means he's underpaid.
Sure. Basically the owners screwed the players so bad with the latest CBA that it's in some of their best interests to only play 6 games. Who loses? The fans. Thanks NFL owners.Same is true, then, of Melvin Gordon.
Doesn't Dallas/SD have the option for a 5th year?While true, and correct me if I'm wrong....but Zeke would love that. His $3.85m is fully guaranteed for this year already, and he'd then be a FA to sign anywhere he wants, and he'd obtain a much higher deal.
Yes, they do. I was just responding to someone saying that a team can cut a player at any time. Zeke, in his current situation, would love that.Doesn't Dallas have the option for a 5th year?
And this is where you lose me.Sure. Basically the owners screwed the players so bad with the latest CBA that it's in some of their best interests to only play 6 games. Who loses? The fans. Thanks NFL owners.
We shouldn't be surprised though. It takes a special level of greed to be a billionaire and still want to squeeze every penny out of everything you own.
I don't think anyone is saying he got screwed by the billionaires. I certainly don't think so. He got about $25m guaranteed for 4 years of service, with a team option for a 5th year at $9m. He's entering year 4, where he's going to make $3.8m (also about $4m of his bonus is prorated and due against the cap this season, but I believe he's already been paid that). Anyway, over the first 4 years his average income has been about $6.25m - putting him right at RB#10 today. I mean sure, it could have been a Fournette situation who was actually guaranteed more money (before the team tried to take money from him for violating his deal last year) who hasn't been the same RB as Zeke - no where close overall. He's just doing what he can to maximize his income at an occupation that generally doesn't have a long history of earning potential. It's all about that second deal, which isn't guaranteed.Not really seeing how Zeke got screwed by the billionaires. He got 24 million guaranteed before he stepped foot on a pro field. What if he’s Trent Richardson and got 24 million to do nothing? The rookie contracts and guarantees work both ways.
Milkman seemed to be saying the owners are greedy and screwed the players in the CBA. Which may be true in a lot of ways but in this case getting close to $25 million before you take a single hit in the league is pretty good.I don't think anyone is saying he got screwed by the billionaires. I certainly don't think so. He got about $25m guaranteed for 4 years of service, with a team option for a 5th year at $9m. He's entering year 4, where he's going to make $3.8m (also about $4m of his bonus is prorated and due against the cap this season, but I believe he's already been paid that). Anyway, over the first 4 years his average income has been about $6.25m - putting him right at RB#10 today. I mean sure, it could have been a Fournette situation who was actually guaranteed more money (before the team tried to take money from him for violating his deal last year) who hasn't been the same RB as Zeke - no where close overall. He's just doing what he can to maximize his income at an occupation that generally doesn't have a long history of earning potential. It's all about that second deal, which isn't guaranteed.
Is that something different in his contract than in others? I thought it was week 10?https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/2089/ezekiel-elliott
Yahoo's Charles Robinson reports Ezekiel Elliott must report to camp by August 6 in order to receive an accrued season toward free agency.
Elliott is currently scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent after the 2020 season, but that would not be the case if he fails to gain at least one accrued season before then. Elliott could get the all-important fourth accrued season next year, but holding out deep into camp this time would prevent him from doing the same in his contract season. Robinson believes Elliott will ultimately decide against holding out.
SOURCE: Yahoo Sports
Jul 16, 2019, 9:20 AM ET
It's more of how all the pieces fit together. I think you'd agree that Zeke has been a top 5 RB during his time in the NFL - and that he right now is still a top 5 (possibly even top 3) RB. There are three other guys at his position all earning (on annual average) over twice what he's earning. The franchise tag number for his position (the average of the top 10 highest paid) is roughly twice what his average has been. He's been paid well, no doubt - but he also didn't create the current market of the CBA, or the current market of RBs.Milkman seemed to be saying the owners are greedy and screwed the players in the CBA. Which may be true in a lot of ways but in this case getting close to $25 million before you take a single hit in the league is pretty good.
i'm a bit hazy on the details, but i think this has to do with becoming a UFA vs a RFA in 2020 with his fourth accrued season in 2019 (having only 3 makes him a RFA for 2020 per current league rules). the week 10 thing had to do with getting paid on the current contract. this latter is where i'm probably off.Is that something different in his contract than in others? I thought it was week 10?
Aug. 6 Deadline for players under contract to report to their clubs to earn an accrued season for free agency.
If a drafted rookie has not signed with his club by this date, he cannot be traded to any other club in 2019 and may sign a player contract only with the drafting club until the day of the Draft in the 2020 League Year.
I don’t think we have much of a disagreement. I certainly agree that Zeke is one of the top backs in the league and has earned his money. I just disagree that his first contract screwed him. Because again he could have just as easily not played up to it and he wouldn’t have been giving back any of the almost 25 mill guaranteed if he couldn’t hang in the NFL. That’s the nature of contracts when you’re getting a somewhat unknown quantity.It's more of how all the pieces fit together. I think you'd agree that Zeke has been a top 5 RB during his time in the NFL - and that he right now is still a top 5 (possibly even top 3) RB. There are three other guys at his position all earning (on annual average) over twice what he's earning. The franchise tag number for his position (the average of the top 10 highest paid) is roughly twice what his average has been. He's been paid well, no doubt - but he also didn't create the current market of the CBA, or the current market of RBs.
He's been in the league 3 years, only playing in about 2.6 seasons with his suspension - yet has over 1,000 touches. And that's after having over 600 touches his last two years at Ohio State in only 28 games. Over 1,600 touches the last 5 seasons - what his worth in 2 years with another ~700 touches taking tread off his tires?
Thanks for this. That’s a big difference.i'm a bit hazy on the details, but i think this has to do with becoming a UFA vs a RFA in 2020 with his fourth accrued season in 2019 (having only 3 makes him a RFA for 2020 per current league rules). the week 10 thing had to do with getting paid on the current contract. this latter is where i'm probably off.
found this on the NFL calendar:
But he's neither a UFA or a RFA in 2020, the Cowboys took the 5th year option. He won't be a FA at all until 2021, unless something changes. Or is that wrong?i'm a bit hazy on the details, but i think this has to do with becoming a UFA vs a RFA in 2020 with his fourth accrued season in 2019 (having only 3 makes him a RFA for 2020 per current league rules). the week 10 thing had to do with getting paid on the current contract. this latter is where i'm probably off.
It's an interesting conversation, sure. I think it goes more like, I don't want to continue getting those tons of touches and wear and tear unless I'm fairly compensated for it. If I don't play this year, the Cowboys odds of making the post season drop substantially - that's got value, which I'm bringing to you.The saving wear and tear on the body thing is a whole different economic argument to me and if Zeke or Melvin think it’s the wisest thing to sit out then so be it. I do wonder how that conversation goes though. Does he say look guys I’ve taken a ton of touches the last 5 years my body could fall apart any day now so I really need you to invest in me long term NOW?
not wrong gb, i stated vaguely, it's at the end of 2020 season so 2021 is correct. 2020 was the option year.But he's neither a UFA or a RFA in 2020, the Cowboys took the 5th year option. He won't be a FA at all until 2021, unless something changes. Or is that wrong?