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Quit accusing everyone of racism, xenophobia, naziism(?), and on and on (1 Viewer)

So the hill you want to die on is “we don’t know a white nationalist who makes racist statements and is a former Grand Wizard of the KKK and leader of the American Nazi Party is a racist”?
No, certainly not.

That would be ridiculous.

 
His whole point is that there is not enough evidence to claim trump is a racist.  I get it.  And disagree.  

This thread though...

edit:  nope!  Apparently he doesn’t know if David Duke is a racist.  I’m done in here now too.  

 
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My point is starting with the most horrible accusations you can think of is not a place to start dialogue.

Further, this entire forum is a demonstration of the lack of interest people have in dialogue anymore.  Seek and destroy is the MO today.  

Tomorrow I expect the same from the right.  The escalation of this trend is scary.

 
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My point is starting with the most horrible accusations you can think of is not a place to start dialogue.

Further, this entire forum is a demonstration of the lack of interest people on the left have in dialogue anymore.  Seek and destroy is the MO today.  

Tomorrow I expect the same from the right.  The escalation of this trend is scary.
Who started a dialogue with that though?

Dialogue is wanted...actual dialogue...but the start of this thread wasn't here for actual dialogue.  So complaining the left doesn't want that is not a logical conclusion.  Especially looking at the last few days of deflect and insult and talk about posters or anything other than the points being made.

 
My point is starting with the most horrible accusations you can think of is not a place to start dialogue.

Further, this entire forum is a demonstration of the lack of interest people on the left have in dialogue anymore.  Seek and destroy is the MO today.  

Tomorrow I expect the same from the right.  The escalation of this trend is scary.
I applaud your effort here, but the feeding frenzy is just too strong to deny for some

 
Who started a dialogue with that though?

Dialogue is wanted...actual dialogue...but the start of this thread wasn't here for actual dialogue.  So complaining the left doesn't want that is not a logical conclusion.  Especially looking at the last few days of deflect and insult and talk about posters or anything other than the points being made.
I live your posting where you think you are disagreeing but agree entirely.

Not sure if schtick or serious.. but :thumbup:

 
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No, you had put it so perfectly in your early efforts.  You are backtracking now.
No.  I edited the post you quoted after you took the position you don’t know if David Duke is a racist.  

I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.  

 
I live your posting where you think you are disagreeing but agree entirely.

Not sure if schtick or serious.. but :thumbup:
I like yiurs when you complain of condescension and then do it yourself while completely fabricating some sort of agreement.

 
I like yiurs when you complain of condescension and then do it yourself while completely fabricating some sort of agreement.
I wasn't complaining, again.. context is a skill I find lacking these days.

I imagine @Henry Ford is going through a rough patch.. he really hasn't joined posters like you and I down here in the past.  I like him a lot, and for years he kinda helped hold an even keel.  I think this isn't the first time I have observed his posting behavior change... which goes back to the OP.  Thanks for the reinforcement again.

 
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Let's dialogue:

I feel that when the anyone says  that American-born congresspeople should go back to their own countries, that's racist.  It's a racist statement because these people are as American as you or me, and so I have to assume the statement means country of family origin, AKA race.

Now you go.

 
Let's dialogue:

I feel that when the anyone says  that American-born congresspeople should go back to their own countries, that's racist.  It's a racist statement because these people are as American as you or me, and so I have to assume the statement means country of family origin, AKA race.

Now you go.
That would be their nationality, not race.

 
I think there's a definite difference.

A race of people can be from multiple countries.

Obvious.
But the original statement didn't specify which country they should go back to.  Should AOC go to the Bronx, Puerto Rico, or Spain?  Or, are we going with the generic "not America"?  It seems to me that the latter is what was intended.

 
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Good Lord, the hills people die on.  Defending the indefensible, and for what?  Is it that hard to admit that a racist statement is racist?  Is it that much of a stretch to say someone who had unapologetically been making publicly racist statements for decades is a racist?

"You don't know him personally".  "He meant nationality instead of race".  Give me a break.  You guys know, deep down, that these statements were racist...you have to.  You just do.

 
I understand this: Trump wanted to point out that Omar - like his wife, MIL & his communist FIL - was not born in this country, and that she should go back to where she came from, and so naturally he lumped in three naturally born lifelong Americans, including one born just a couple miles from his own birth place, because they all shared a far left ideology. Am I saying anything incorrect here?
You are getting warmer.  Try not including random in laws next time.  It doesn't help your point at all.  Go back to her country if she doesn't like it here and thinks socialist and anti-semitism is better than a capitalistic patriotic country like the USA.

 
What if you told Ernie Els to go "back to Africa"?  Racist?
I'v heard a comp like this a couple times. Els was not born in the US, he is not a lifelong American. Am I right on that?

Just read it neutrally like this: 'Hey Sean McVay, go back to your own country why don'tchya!'

Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it.

 
I'v heard a comp like this a couple times. Els was not born in the US, he is not a lifelong American. Am I right on that?

Just read it neutrally like this: 'Hey Sean McVay, go back to your own country why don'tchya!'

Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it.
Exactly.  

I will come back in this thread and recant all my comments about trump being a racist if he makes a statement like the one in your example.  I am very confident that he will not.  

 
The entire discussion is about American citizens being told to go back to their countries.  

 But sure, we can discuss that. Show me where anyone told Ernie Els to go back to Africa. 
Nah, I'm good.  I asked a simple question and you're doing your normal mental gymnastics to avoid answering it.  Carry on.

 
You are getting warmer.  Try not including random in laws next time.  It doesn't help your point at all.  Go back to her country if she doesn't like it here and thinks socialist and anti-semitism is better than a capitalistic patriotic country like the USA.
Is this thing on? 4 people here, 3 born in America, one has been here almost her whole life, far longer than his own wife and in-laws.

My point is Trump doesn't really care about their ideology if he has a communist living with his child.

 
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I assume you’d agree that telling black people to go “back to Africa” could be a racist statement.  
Not if the black person was constantly #####ing about living in the USA and thought socialism was the answer and he was further told to fix Africa and show us how great you can do.

 
Good Lord, the hills people die on.  Defending the indefensible, and for what?  Is it that hard to admit that a racist statement is racist?  Is it that much of a stretch to say someone who had unapologetically been making publicly racist statements for decades is a racist?

"You don't know him personally".  "He meant nationality instead of race".  Give me a break.  You guys know, deep down, that these statements were racist...you have to.  You just do.
Nope.  They just aren't.  Sorry.

 
Nah, I'm good.  I asked a simple question and you're doing your normal mental gymnastics to avoid answering it.  Carry on.
The question doesn’t make any sense. But no, I would imagine that if a white person was telling Ernie Els to go back to Africa it wouldn’t be for racist reasons. If a black person in South Africa told him to go back to Europe it may well be. 

 
Go back to her country if she doesn't like it here and thinks socialist and anti-semitism is better than a capitalistic patriotic country like the USA.
I guess the other irony for me is that Trump's own grandparents did exactly this. His grandmother preferred Kaiserite Germany, persuaded Friedrich Trump to move back to Germany where she preferred to be - with its antisemitism and martialism as it existed then - but they were kicked out because Herr Trump faced charges. A criminal at home he was forced to come back to America. That's Trump's own family you're describing. That's his history, not Pressley, not Cortez, not Omar, not Tlaib.

 
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I guess the other irony for me is that Trump's own grandparents did exactly this. His grandmother preferred Kaiserite Germany, persuaded Friedrich Trump to move back to Germany where she preferred to be - with its antisemitism and martialism as it existed then - but they were kicked out because Herr Trump faced charges. A criminal at home he was forced to come back to America. That's Trump's own family you're describing. That's his history, not Pressley, not Cortez, not Omar, not Tlaib.
Trumps own grandparents called him a mother ####er and are trying to get him impeached over phony Russian conspiracy theory?

 

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