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Gary Coal Man
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Why did you exclude Florida from your list of states where the election is going to be decided?
Trump also won that state by a slim margin, and that state has recently seen exceptionally close Gubernatorial and Senate races as well.
Since the 2016 election Florida has passed a law allowing felons who’ve served their sentences to vote (100,000+ people), and the state has seen demographic shifts with an influx of Puerto Rican’s who fled that island after it was devastated by a hurricane.
Most importantly, Florida has more electoral votes than the states you listed.
So why exclude Florida?
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That's a fair question. I think maybe it's an opportunity thing. If there was a white democratic congresswoman born in Canada but now a US citizen and she was smart and feisty and popular and extremely critical of Trump (as the 4 women in question are), I can easily see him telling her to go back to Canada and say they should fix their "failing" healthcare.
identikit
Footballguy
They should have held it there in 2016.
That way Hillary might have known the route to go back there in the future.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
Ayanna Pressley's ancestry is more American than Trump's own ancestry. In fact it's quite likely that some of (if not all of) her ancestors were here before the United States even existed.
And yet Trump told her that she's not from America.
There have been many white people who have criticized Trump. But not once has Trump ever stated that any of them weren't from America or that they should go back to where they came from.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Skoo
Footballguy
That makes two of us.
Seems to me it's a Republican talking point that Democrats are believing for some reason.
How bout this? We don't impeach and he still wins. Then we can all look back and complain the Dems didn't do their sworn duty when they had the chance.
My party might be right on a lot of the issues, but they really don't know how to play the game. No backbone whatsoever.
[scooter]
Footballguy
Ocasio-Cortez's parents and grandparents were natural-born American citizens.
Pressley's ancestors were American-born as far back as records can be found.
They are both more native than Trump.
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
Supporters of the Democrat Party as well as supporters of the Republican Party feel the exact same as you about their respective party. Perhaps even the majority in both instances.
timschochet
Footballguy
If Florida goes for the Democrat then Trump is probably lost.
But I exclude it because in 2018 it stayed red so I figure it will again.
jomar
Footballguy
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
It's not going to lower it because it's been proven that his base does not care at all.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
In 2016 some people voted for Trump that weren't "his base." Those people might care.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
All I know is that I'm not getting my hoped up that this crap is going to lose him the election. It hasn't seemed to make much of a difference so far. I've lost faith in the public to vote him out.
Not arguing that.
If there was a white democratic congresswoman born in Canada but now a US citizen and she was smart and feisty and popular and extremely critical of Trump, could you envision him telling her to go back to Canada and say they should fix their "failing" healthcare?
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identikit
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
And yes if the polls are to be trusted...immediate results were a drop in independents supporting him. How much was because of the comments or any trend? Not sure
identikit
Footballguy
Of course. Is anyone arguing otherwise? Omar was not born in the US and then became a US Citizen, right?I didn't watch it but I understood the comments last night were mostly about her.
Washington Post At rally, crowd responds to Trump’s criticism of Somali-born congresswoman Ilhan Omar with chants of ‘Send her back!’
Or am I missing what you're trying to correct me on?
Looking back, I see that wasn't clear when I said "as those four women are". I meant smart and feisty and popular and extremely critical of Trump.
I assume everyone knew three were born here and Omar was the only one not born in the US.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Correct came when she was 10 I believe...as a refugee from a country torn apart by war.
I didn't watch it but I understood the comments last night were mostly about her.
Washington Post At rally, crowd responds to Trump’s criticism of Somali-born congresswoman Ilhan Omar with chants of ‘Send her back!’
Or am I missing what you're trying to correct me on?
Looking back, I see that wasn't clear when I said "as those four women are". I meant smart and feisty and popular and extremely critical of Trump.
I assume everyone knew three were born here and Omar was the only one not born in the US.
[scooter]
Footballguy
Joe, the whole point is that Trump didn't only target Congresswomen who were born in other countries. He targeted Congresswomen who were born in America, including one (Pressley) whose ancestry is more American than Trump's.
If you want to compare just Ilhan Omar to a hypothetical white Congressperson born in Canada, that's fine. (But former Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm checks most of the boxes you brought up -- white, Democratic, born in Canada, now a US citizen, smart, feisty, extremely critical of Trump -- and not once has Trump told her to go back to Canada. Debbie_Mucarsel-Powell has light skin, is a Democrat Congressperson, was born in another country, is now a US citizen, is smart and feisty and extremely critical of Trump, and Trump hasn't told her to go back where she came from, either.)
Trump has had many opportunities to tell white critics to go back to another country. And yet he's never, ever, ever done it -- not when the critic wasn't born in the United States (Ted Cruz, John McCain, Jennifer Granholm, Debbie Muscarsel-Powell, etc.), and not when the critic was born in the United States.
[scooter]
Footballguy
Besides the President, you mean?
tri-man 47
Footballguy
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Wait a minute....so you're telling me they're wasting their time trying to impeach him over some Twitter comments? Please tell me you're joking. Stretch Armstrong himself couldn't reach as far as they're trying if that's really the case.timschochet said:
timschochet
Footballguy
Yes.Joe Bryant said:
But if there was a white Democratic congresswoman from New Hampshire I couldn't envision him telling her to go back to Canada. But if she were brown skinned from New Hampshire I could see him telling her to go back to Mexico. And that's the point. You're friend is right in that he is friendly to people who are friendly to him, including minorities. But of the people who are NOT friendly to him, he treats minorities differently, in a bigoted fashion.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I know and I don't feel good about it happening. They knew who he was when they voted him in and now they just ignore all the crap he's done. As long as there are jobs and the economy is doing well they are going to want him re-elected.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
I'll be voting for a Democrat I probably don't support much in 2020 because the Republicans have a crappy candidate.Misfit said:
Jayrod
Footballguy
Me too. I hate this crap.
I will definitely be holding my nose at the ballot box while I vote for someone I fundamentally disagree with on like 75% of their platform just to get Trump out of office.
I posted months before the primary last time that my nightmare scenario was Trump vs. Hillary. There isn't a "nightmare" candidate on the Dem side right now, and my preference is Bernie, but I'm pretty sure I'll vote for whoever it is. Just wish I had a chance to oust Trump in the primary.
If there was a 35 year old white democratic congresswoman born in Canada but now a US citizen and she was smart and feisty and popular and extremely critical of Trump, could you envision him telling her to go back to Canada and say they should fix their "failing" healthcare?[scooter] said:
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msommer
Footballguy
I'm always honest on these boards (or at the very least openly sarcastic). Why would I hide my honest opinion?
He's arguing they were not born in America?[scooter] said:
msommer
Footballguy
That Trump is winning by being called a racist instead of a nativist is an interesting take. The USA Today/Ipsos poll would disagree.
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Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
That’s a fantastic point. I’m surprised no Democrat has raised it because it would be interesting to see how Trump or his handlers would address it, if they addressed it at all.Misfit said:
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msommer
Footballguy
His point is that polls are wrong?
ETA: Not getting that fromt he statement you quoted. He appeared to be saying he opposite
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msommer
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
Interesting. A bit science denying (polls don't matter). A bit deflecting (nativist vs racist, and I don't support Trump but I defend him anyway). I could name a few posters that sound like him (does he claim to have voted for Gary Johnson?
)2020 will show if there are enough of the same ilk to keep Trump in power.
UncleZen
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Thats a sad commentary on society of a guy is winning for saying racist things and having a history if that.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
msommer
Footballguy
No. Your question shows you need to bone up on how polls work (pay close attention to the concept of margin of error). HTH
sho nuff
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
You mean the administration that had jobs being created at a higher rate and had a string economy after coming out if the recession?Better than 8 years of Obama
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