TheIronSheik 6,491 Posted July 31 (edited) I know there's a baseball forum that 15 people use, but I figured it would be OK to have this just for today. It's crazy to think the two biggest moves so far are from sub .500 teams. And the biggest move (arguably) last year was from another sub .500 team trading for Archer. (Danger zone!) Will anyone big get traded? I think if the Mets move Thor, the GM needs to be fired. I can't see why the Giants wouldn't move MadBum. At least get something for him instead of nothing come the offseason. As a Phillies fan, I don't expect much movement since they have no one down on the farm to trade. As an Astros fan, I'm excited to see if they make a big move for a #3 starter. I was hoping Stroman (especially since his name fit perfectly), but that ain't happening. Less than 5 hours to go. I'm thinking the main fireworks have already gone off. Expecting this next couple of hours to be anticlimactic. Edited Wednesday at 01:08 PM by TheIronSheik 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoknew 6,659 Posted July 31 If the Tigers don't trade Castellanos, Greene, and Boyd - I'm going to be super pissed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cjw_55106 3,786 Posted July 31 Rumor is, the asking price for Syndergaard is ridiculous. I think Boyd will get dealt and likely Greinke and Ray...although Greinke's contract is pretty substantial. Per usual, I expect the Twins do little to improve the club. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bull Dozier 3,159 Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, Cjw_55106 said: Rumor is, the asking price for Syndergaard is ridiculous. I think Boyd will get dealt and likely Greinke and Ray...although Greinke's contract is pretty substantial. Per usual, I expect the Twins do little to improve the club. Really would hope the Twins nab one of the top tier starters available and a reliever. Otherwise this great season will just result in another short post season. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheIronSheik 6,491 Posted July 31 4 minutes ago, Cjw_55106 said: Rumor is, the asking price for Syndergaard is ridiculous. Yeah, they want the best prospect and an MLB decent player. And clubs are saying they aren't budging from that. But if you trade for Stroman, it makes no sense to trade Noah. Wheeler, yes. But Thor, no. Too bad, because I'd love to see Thor in an Astros uniform. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheIronSheik 6,491 Posted July 31 Just saw the report that the Mets have said Thor is off the trading blocks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 21,699 Posted July 31 there’s a reason only 15 people use the baseball forum 1 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheIronSheik 6,491 Posted July 31 On a side note, is Yasiel Puig the first player ever to be involved in an on-field altercation where he was not part of either team playing? 3 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Servo 5,770 Posted July 31 17 minutes ago, TheIronSheik said: As a Phillies fan, I don't expect much movement since they have no one down on the farm to trade. As an Astros fan, I'm excited to see if they make a big move for a #3 starter. I was hoping Stroman (especially since his name fit perfectly), but that ain't happening. Less than 5 hours to go. I'm thinking the main fireworks have already gone off. Expecting this next couple of hours to be anticlimactic. WTH man? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheIronSheik 6,491 Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, Tom Servo said: WTH man? Spent about half my life in each city. If they face each other in the WS, I am a Phillies fan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insein 8,243 Posted July 31 Phillies made their moves. Pitching is an after thought to them apparently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
=Smackdown= 565 Posted July 31 The Mets should be looking for much needed bullpen help and go for it. deGrom, Syndergaard, Stroman, Wheeler & Matz. oh and maybe stop batting Cano cleanup. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gottabesweet 838 Posted July 31 Don’t worry there’s like 7 more deadlines to move players. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bull Dozier 3,159 Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, Gottabesweet said: Don’t worry there’s like 7 more deadlines to move players. Not anymore. 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ramblin Wreck 11,480 Posted July 31 Yasiel Puig brawling for the Reds last night after they traded him is great schtick 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
comfortably numb 6,390 Posted July 31 21 minutes ago, =Smackdown= said: The Mets should be looking for much needed bullpen help and go for it. deGrom, Syndergaard, Stroman, Wheeler & Matz. oh and maybe stop batting Cano cleanup. Mets would probably be in the WC spot if they didn't trade for Diaz/Cano Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aerial Assault 2,283 Posted July 31 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Capella said: there’s a reason only 15 people use the baseball forum Oh? Which is? And incidentally I thought your comment was funny, Sheik. I am expecting another dull deadline. Most teams right now don't care about winning, it seems. Hoping I'm wrong, though. Edited July 31 by Aerial Assault Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cjw_55106 3,786 Posted July 31 45 minutes ago, Bull Dozier said: Really would hope the Twins nab one of the top tier starters available and a reliever. Otherwise this great season will just result in another short post season. They are already saving 11M from last year. Additionally, attendance is up 20% and viewership is up 40%. Zero reason to be so cheap. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiefD 13,219 Posted July 31 50 minutes ago, Bull Dozier said: Really would hope the Twins nab one of the top tier starters available and a reliever. Otherwise this great season will just result in another short post season. Yeah, this is the year they need to go for it. That's a good ball club that just needs a couple of pieces. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mozzy84 839 Posted July 31 57 minutes ago, Bull Dozier said: Really would hope the Twins nab one of the top tier starters available and a reliever. Otherwise this great season will just result in another short post season. yep. I am assuming I will be annoyed later today. Romo came in a pitched a great inning in a close game last night, we need another one of those guys badly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wikkidpissah 12,228 Posted July 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, whoknew said: If the Tigers don't trade Castellanos, Greene, and Boyd - I'm going to be super pissed. Boyd is among those whose shopping mystifies me. Lotsa guys w multiple years of team control left (3 more for Boyd) being placed on the market, a huge sea-change. Don't know the math, but i can't see the risk/reward of any prospect having the value of a quality player just entering their arb years unless a team simply cant afford those and, if you cant afford those, you shouldnt be a franchise. *not arguing w you, wk, just using that to make the point Edited July 31 by wikkidpissah 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Mammy 587 Posted July 31 The yanks will spend at will to get another starter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoknew 6,659 Posted July 31 1 minute ago, wikkidpissah said: Boyd is among those whose shopping mystifies me. Lotsa guys w multiple years of team control left (3 more for Boyd) being placed on the market, a huge sea-change. Don't know the math, but i can't see the risk/reward of any prospect having the value of a quality player just entering their arb years unless they simply cant afford those and, if you cant afford those you shouldnt be a franchise. *not arguing w you, wk, just using that to make the point I understand your point. But I think this is Boyd's high water mark/career season. He's 28 years old and has never really been this good before. For context - Year ERA FIP SO/9 SO/W 2016 4.53 4.75 7.6 2.83 2017 5.27 4.51 7.3 2.08 2018 4.39 4.45 8.4 3.12 2019 3.94 3.47 12.1 6.14 So its possible that he just all of a sudden got a lot better at his age 28 season - but I'd be kind of surprised. And the Tigers are just not anywhere close to competing. By the time they are ready (2022 at the VERY earliest), Boyd will be 32. I just have a hard time seeing him being worth paying big money for at that point. And the Tigers desperately need minor league impact bats. Almost all of their top prospects are pitchers. I get your point - a bird in the hand. I just think in Boyd's situation, it makes a lot more sense to trade him. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
=Smackdown= 565 Posted July 31 39 minutes ago, comfortably numb said: Mets would probably be in the WC spot if they didn't trade for Diaz/Cano True but that would also mean Familia would most likely be their Closer. death by hanging or death by firing squad? 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leroy Hoard 9,587 Posted July 31 49 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said: Yasiel Puig brawling for the Reds last night after they traded him is great schtick If he was in the crowd watching he would jump the fence just to get in on that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eephus 16,302 Posted July 31 Jesus Aguilar going to St. Pete to change Capella's attitude. The Brewers get Jake Faria in return. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wikkidpissah 12,228 Posted July 31 6 minutes ago, whoknew said: I understand your point. But I think this is Boyd's high water mark/career season. He's 28 years old and has never really been this good before. For context - Year ERA FIP SO/9 SO/W 2016 4.53 4.75 7.6 2.83 2017 5.27 4.51 7.3 2.08 2018 4.39 4.45 8.4 3.12 2019 3.94 3.47 12.1 6.14 So its possible that he just all of a sudden got a lot better at his age 28 season - but I'd be kind of surprised. And the Tigers are just not anywhere close to competing. By the time they are ready (2022 at the VERY earliest), Boyd will be 32. I just have a hard time seeing him being worth paying big money for at that point. And the Tigers desperately need minor league impact bats. Almost all of their top prospects are pitchers. I get your point - a bird in the hand. I just think in Boyd's situation, it makes a lot more sense to trade him. ya, i guess. i'm old-fashioned - more patient w lefties, esp w the up in K9. like i said, he's not the only one under multi-yr control in the chatter. altho, i dont think there's a real Sham/Woj (sad as they are) or Shefter in baseball anymore, so maybe the talk is just that. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadyridr 13,470 Posted July 31 15 minutes ago, Joe Mammy said: The yanks will spend at will to get another starter. If that was the case they'd already have Verlander or Corbin or Keuchel 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Don Quixote 3,803 Posted July 31 Martin Maldonado to the Astros. No Candyman though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadyridr 13,470 Posted July 31 Come on Yankees. Offer Garcia for MadBum. Lets get this done! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insein 8,243 Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Gottabesweet said: Don’t worry there’s like 7 more deadlines to move players. Nah they did away with waiver trades. One deadline now. Hard stop. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ramblin Wreck 11,480 Posted July 31 17 minutes ago, Don Quixote said: Martin Maldonado to the Astros. No Candyman though. You think Carter Kieboom gets traded today or is he off limits? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Swanson 1,701 Posted July 31 Welcome back, Machete! I think the Astros get Robbie Ray or a very remote chance at Bumgarner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wikkidpissah 12,228 Posted July 31 4 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said: You think Carter Kieboom gets traded today or is he off limits? off-limits. the rep & rankings indemnify him, cept str8up for a star. Dave Dombrowski's the only GM who it doesnt bother to be "the GM who traded him" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Don Quixote 3,803 Posted July 31 Just now, Ramblin Wreck said: You think Carter Kieboom gets traded today or is he off limits? I think Nats would listen (particularly if any one controlled beyond this year, as that seems more to be Rizzo’s MO), but probably off limits as he is still a big part of the plan for next year — and his value may have taken an unfair hit with his call-up this year, as he was always thought of as more a 2B than SS. Luis Garcia may be more likely to go, as he is a bit duplicative there. I’m kind of torn on what I hope the Nats do. Definitely need RPs and maybe even a SP, but they have really bled the farm system a lot the past few years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheIronSheik 6,491 Posted July 31 Yankees and Astros making last minute (hour?) pushes to work a deal for MadBum, Wheeler. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ramblin Wreck 11,480 Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, Don Quixote said: I think Nats would listen (particularly if any one controlled beyond this year, as that seems more to be Rizzo’s MO), but probably off limits as he is still a big part of the plan for next year — and his value may have taken an unfair hit with his call-up this year, as he was always thought of as more a 2B than SS. Luis Garcia may be more likely to go, as he is a bit duplicative there. I’m kind of torn on what I hope the Nats do. Definitely need RPs and maybe even a SP, but they have really bled the farm system a lot the past few years. Yeah same here. I'd be more comfortable with them trading Kieboom if they had already extended Rendon but I'm getting the feeling now that they won't pay him either. I am hoping they can use lower tier prospects to upgrade Sipp and Blazek with rentals. I'm okay if Garcia fetches one of the better relievers like Greene. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheIronSheik 6,491 Posted July 31 Just now, TheIronSheik said: Yankees and Astros making last minute (hour?) pushes to work a deal for MadBum, Wheeler. 'Stros also in play for Robbie Ray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RUSF18 3,182 Posted July 31 2 hours ago, Capella said: there’s a reason only 15 people use the baseball forum Ok Bill Simmons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 21,699 Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Aerial Assault said: Oh? Which is? Baseball is bad and it sucks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 21,699 Posted July 31 Just now, RUSF18 said: Ok Bill Simmons. Don’t get this one. He loves baseball. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadyridr 13,470 Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, TheIronSheik said: Yankees and Astros making last minute (hour?) pushes to work a deal for MadBum, Wheeler. Yanks need to stop with the prospect hugging. Garcia and Frazier for MadBum & Smith. Lets get it done! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadyridr 13,470 Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, TheIronSheik said: 'Stros also in play for Robbie Ray. I wouldnt give up much for this wild thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheIronSheik 6,491 Posted July 31 Just now, shadyridr said: I wouldnt give up much for this wild thing. Agree. I'd rather have Grienke if they're going that route. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadyridr 13,470 Posted July 31 Just now, TheIronSheik said: Agree. I'd rather have Grienke if they're going that route. Greinke could probably be had for B level prospects but Yankees refuse to go over luxury tax threshold. I wish they got him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Don Quixote 3,803 Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said: Yeah same here. I'd be more comfortable with them trading Kieboom if they had already extended Rendon but I'm getting the feeling now that they won't pay him either. I am hoping they can use lower tier prospects to upgrade Sipp and Blazek with rentals. I'm okay if Garcia fetches one of the better relievers like Greene. Yeah, Morosi tweeting that Tigers still asking for Kieboom from Nats for Greene. I'd pass on that, but Garcia would be a decent pay. I'd rather they trade Garcia than Wil Crowe given the pitching issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Godsbrother 5,429 Posted July 31 The Pirates should be selling big but likely won't. It doesn't really matter what this teams does as long as the ownership stays the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiefD 13,219 Posted July 31 Greinke will always be my favorite Royal. Without him being a big fat cry baby about wanting to play for a winner, we would have never gotten: Lorenzo Cain Alcides Escobar Jake Odorizzi, who we flipped as part of the deal to get James Shields and Wade Davis Thank you Zack for helping the team you were dying to get away from win a World Series, while you still wait for one..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheIronSheik 6,491 Posted July 31 Giants asking the Astros for Joshua Rojas for MadBum. Why is this trade not done?!? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadyridr 13,470 Posted July 31 1 minute ago, TheIronSheik said: Giants asking the Astros for Joshua Rojas for MadBum. Why is this trade not done?!? Because that CANT be true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites