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25 minutes ago, NREC34 said:

Right. 

Pitching...

You seem to keep missing the point, GB.  Pitching plays a part in every game.  What I've been saying is that it's not the overall factor.  It hasn't been for a single game of this entire series.

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21 minutes ago, BLUE BOMBER said:

Early indications from Vegas showing that more money is coming in on the Nationals than the Astros. Whether this is sharp money or public money, I am not sure.

Does the concept of sharp money really exist in baseball?   

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3 minutes ago, TheIronSheik said:

You seem to keep missing the point, GB.  Pitching plays a part in every game.  What I've been saying is that it's not the overall factor.  It hasn't been for a single game of this entire series.

Watttt?

You don’t think facing Strasburg had anything whatsoever to do with the outcome of that game last night?

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12 minutes ago, NREC34 said:

Scherzer is truly the key to me. 

If he is totally healthy he could shut the Astros down. If not and they tee off him it could get ugly. 

Short leash on every pitcher tonight. Nothing to save them for.

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1 hour ago, TheIronSheik said:

The play was actually not awful.  There's an actual rule in place that states he's out.

Since the dawn of time, players have run down the first base line on the wrong side trying to "walk the line" of fair and foul, literally.  You want to know what an awful call is?  Swinging at a pitch, missing, and having it called a foul.  Players complain about these types of calls all of the time, but they are in the wrong.  

I am well aware of the rule.....he was not inside the line when he crossed the bag, it did not impair the player at all from attempting to catch an obvious throwing error. In fact the reason it was an awful call was an error was turned into an out. 

 

The call was awful.

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32 minutes ago, NREC34 said:

Watttt?

You don’t think facing Strasburg had anything whatsoever to do with the outcome of that game last night?

It had almost everything to do with it.

Strasburg is the reason there is a game 7 coupled with some great hitting from the Nationals. 

Strasburg has been the ace for the Nat's this entire post season.

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3 minutes ago, Todem said:

I am well aware of the rule.....he was not inside the line when he crossed the bag, it did not impair the player at all from attempting to catch an obvious throwing error. In fact the reason it was an awful call was an error was turned into an out. 

 

The call was awful.

But, in the regular season that make that call with regularity.

It's getting all this attention in this World Series for obvious reason, but runners cheat that line all the time to try and get away with it. Not saying I like it, because I think the rule is dumb.

But I actually think the umps called it properly here. Lucky for MLB Rendon saved their backs on this one. 

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Maybe that play will give ride to the rebirth of the lefty first baseman, as a lefty could have made that play. (I need something for my fellow lefties with the upcoming death of the LOOGY.)

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Just now, ChiefD said:

But, in the regular season that make that call with regularity.

It's getting all this attention in this World Series for obvious reason, but runners cheat that line all the time to try and get away with it. Not saying I like it, because I think the rule is dumb.

But I actually think the umps called it properly here. Lucky for MLB Rendon saved their backs on this one. 

The issue I took with it was it is a judgement call. It is not called black and white actually.

The throw was bad. It was going to be a throwing error. And Turner clearly was on line crossing the bag when he hit Gurriels glove.

 

Crap judgement call IMO. In a huge game.

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If there’s anybody that should be mad about the call it’s the Astros. It’s a non-reviewable call yet we had to sit with them on the phone to NY for 5 minutes. Will Harris got cold and grooves a pitch that the next guy homers. 

Again @TheIronSheik , it all circles back to pitching. 

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5 minutes ago, NREC34 said:

If there’s anybody that should be mad about the call it’s the Astros. It’s a non-reviewable call yet we had to sit with them on the phone to NY for 5 minutes. Will Harris got cold and grooves a pitch that the next guy homers. 

Again @TheIronSheik , it all circles back to pitching. 

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1 hour ago, Socrates11 said:

Time for the Major League to switch to the Little League first base, then that stupid rule that penalizes a base-runner should become moot...

 

https://hadarathletic.com/product/doublefirstbase/

Thought the same thing last night.  Prevents injuries from stepping on the 1st baseman's foot too. For the most part.  

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Strasburg is a cyborg.  

Verlander strangely can't get it done on the biggest stage.  Handing out dingers like Halloween candy. 

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Not a huge baseball fan, but a Nats fan so I'm watching the series with great interest (as I have with their entire playoff run.

So what was Turner suppose to do?  At what point in his run to first should he have been on, or to the right of (when looking at camera from behind him) the line in order to not be breaking the rule?  It's not in his interest to do anything other than a straight line from where he was when he finished his hit to the bag itself., which he appeared to do. 

What's the purpose of the rule itself?  The 1st baseman can't block the bag, and the runner has a free path to the bag itself.  It was a bad throw that caused all this, so why should a bad throw result in the batter/runner being out?

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Just now, matttyl said:

Not a huge baseball fan, but a Nats fan so I'm watching the series with great interest (as I have with their entire playoff run.

So what was Turner suppose to do?  At what point in his run to first should he have been on, or to the right of (when looking at camera from behind him) the line in order to not be breaking the rule?  It's not in his interest to do anything other than a straight line from where he was when he finished his hit to the bag itself., which he appeared to do. 

What's the purpose of the rule itself?  The 1st baseman can't block the bag, and the runner has a free path to the bag itself.  It was a bad throw that caused all this, so why should a bad throw result in the batter/runner being out?

Not to mention Smoltz even said that when he was pitching they were coached to game the system and purposely throw at the base runner in the hopes of getting that call. MLB is grateful today that it didn't cost the Nats the game, else this would be a World Series with an asterisk. They need to fix that rule.

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30 minutes ago, Todem said:

The issue I took with it was it is a judgement call. It is not called black and white actually.

The throw was bad. It was going to be a throwing error. And Turner clearly was on line crossing the bag when he hit Gurriels glove.

 

Crap judgement call IMO. In a huge game.

It doesn't matter if the throw was bad (and it wasn't that bad).  The rule states the runner must run in the running lane until the last stride to hit the bag.  If the runner interferes with the ability to catch the throw and did not run in the running lane he is called out.  The rule does not specify that it is only applicable if it is a good throw.  Just that the runner interferes with the ability to catch the ball.  This is exactly what happened.  The rule was called correctly. 

 

If Turner runs in the running lane (as he is supposed to do) then it is likely that he is called safe as he would be doing the rule states he should do.  The problem was that he ran where he is not supposed to run.  The running lane is there for this exact scenario.  There is a rule that outlines exactly what the runner is supposed to do.  Turner did not do what he was supposed to do. 

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2 minutes ago, Gally said:

It doesn't matter if the throw was bad (and it wasn't that bad).  The rule states the runner must run in the running lane until the last stride to hit the bag.  If the runner interferes with the ability to catch the throw and did not run in the running lane he is called out.  The rule does not specify that it is only applicable if it is a good throw.  Just that the runner interferes with the ability to catch the ball.  This is exactly what happened.  The rule was called correctly.

If Turner runs in the running lane (as he is supposed to do) then it is likely that he is called safe as he would be doing the rule states he should do.  The problem was that he ran where he is not supposed to run.  The running lane is there for this exact scenario.  There is a rule that outlines exactly what the runner is supposed to do.  Turner did not do what he was supposed to do. 

Again, I'm not a baseball guy.  Where, and when, does Turner need to be in that lane?  Immediately after hitting the ball?  Once the ball has been thrown?  When the 1st baseman is attempting to catch it?  And where is that lane?

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20 minutes ago, NREC34 said:

Will Harris got cold and grooves a pitch that the next guy homers. 

Technically it wasn't the next guy as Eaton was the next batter and he popped out.  ;) However, your point is still a good one.  That was an awful long time to be on the phone to get confirmation that it was non reviewable due to it being a judgement call. i think numbnuts brought it up to Smoltz asking why it took so long to read the rule in the book and confirm this. 

I've been on the umps a lot but I think that was a tough call to make.  Turner was inside the line the entire time so that's what umpie sees. Yes, even if he ran in foul territory where hes supposed to for the final third of the distance he'd be in almost the same spot at the time he gets to the bag - and is hit with that throw.  I think, and I'm probably wrong, that if he had been running in the marked zone then hit as he reached the base that it wouldn't have been called interference.  I also think nobody would be complaining if the ball hit him 2 strides sooner, maybe even one. well, the Nats probably would complain but they'd be wrong. Anyway, perhaps the safety bag is a good idea, not only to make this call easier but to save a few ankles.

My guy Rendon :wub: homered and the Astros had no response anyway so no harm, no foul.

 

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3 minutes ago, Gally said:

It doesn't matter if the throw was bad (and it wasn't that bad).  The rule states the runner must run in the running lane until the last stride to hit the bag.  If the runner interferes with the ability to catch the throw and did not run in the running lane he is called out.  The rule does not specify that it is only applicable if it is a good throw.  Just that the runner interferes with the ability to catch the ball.  This is exactly what happened.  The rule was called correctly. 

 

If Turner runs in the running lane (as he is supposed to do) then it is likely that he is called safe as he would be doing the rule states he should do.  The problem was that he ran where he is not supposed to run.  The running lane is there for this exact scenario.  There is a rule that outlines exactly what the runner is supposed to do.  Turner did not do what he was supposed to do. 

The relevant part of the rule states "In running the last half of the distance from home base to first base, while the ball is being fielded to first base, he runs outside (to the right of) the three-foot line, or inside (to the left of) the foul line, and in the umpire's judgment in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base, in which case the ball is dead;"

"In so doing" suggests a need for cause and effect.  Did Turner running outside the running lane cause the interference?  I did not think so.  Interference was caused by the bad throw coming into the lane that Turner needed to be in in order to touch the bag, not by the way that Turner ran.

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14 minutes ago, matttyl said:

At what point in his run to first should he have been on, or to the right of (when looking at camera from behind him) the line in order to not be breaking the rule?

It's marked right on the field

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23 minutes ago, Jayrok said:

Strasburg is a cyborg.  

Verlander strangely can't get it done on the biggest stage.  Handing out dingers like Halloween candy. 

Teams generally get cold and slump at the plate when facing him. 

It’s weird. 

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2 minutes ago, falguy said:

It's marked right on the field

So the grass?  But his being in the grass, for a stride or two, barely, didn't impact the throw/catch.  Isn't that the rule?  Honest question.  He was called out because he interfered with the ability of the first baseman to catch the ball - so how did his foot 10 strides ago do that?

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1 minute ago, NREC34 said:

Teams generally get cold and slump at the plate when facing him. 

It’s weird. 

He sure settled down after the first. He was hit very hard in the first inning then almost nothing the rest of the way. Stud.

Verlander can't seem to put it together in the WS but at least he's got comfy pillows at home to rest his weary head.

 

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8 minutes ago, matttyl said:

Again, I'm not a baseball guy.  Where, and when, does Turner need to be in that lane?  Immediately after hitting the ball?  Once the ball has been thrown?  When the 1st baseman is attempting to catch it?  And where is that lane?

The rule says explicitly by the time he's half way to first base he has to be on the right side of the line.  He was still all the way in the grass on the left side of the line at that point.

People keep saying he adjusted back to center but that wasn't until he hit the actual bag.  In terms of interfering, coming into the center of the bag from an angle inside the bag is definitely different than coming into the center of the bag from an outside angle like you're supposed to.

Regardless even if he straightened out in the last step or two running where you're not allowed 90% of the way down the line is like putting your hand on a guy in football and drawing PI.  You're putting yourself in position for a judgment call to go against you.  Things are happening fast and you're kicking up blades of grass and then you knock off the fielder's glove and in real time it is going to look like interference whether you really did or not.  Just like lightly holding onto a WR who then falls over makes you look guilty of PI whether you did or not.

As someone pointed out above Smoltz even said that's a pretty standard call in the regular season and that if someone is running that far inside guys in the regular season even try to throw it at them intentionally sometimes because it will usually get the call. 

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3 minutes ago, matttyl said:

So the grass?  But his being in the grass, for a stride or two, barely, didn't impact the throw/catch.  Isn't that the rule?  Honest question.  He was called out because he interfered with the ability of the first baseman to catch the ball - so how did his foot 10 strides ago do that?

http://www.qcbaseball.com/rules/running-lane.aspx

it's chalked in the field.

he was running on the infield side of the base the entire time.  Per the rule, he needs to be in the running lane at the point where the lane starts. If there's no throw, or the ball doesn't hit him it doesn't really matter but when it affects the play it's interference.  As I said above, I think it was the fact he ran the entire time outside the lane (in the field of play) that influenced the umps decision.

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8 minutes ago, matttyl said:

So the grass?  But his being in the grass, for a stride or two, barely, didn't impact the throw/catch.  Isn't that the rule?  Honest question.  He was called out because he interfered with the ability of the first baseman to catch the ball - so how did his foot 10 strides ago do that?

Here is a still frame of his last step before the bag.  Remember, the rule says by the time he's HALF WAY down the baseline he has to be between those two white lines.

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2 minutes ago, falguy said:

http://www.qcbaseball.com/rules/running-lane.aspx

it's chalked in the field.

he was running on the infield side of the base the entire time.  Per the rule, he needs to be in the running lane at the point where the lane starts. If there's no throw, or the ball doesn't hit him it doesn't really matter but when it affects the play it's interference.  As I said above, I think it was the fact he ran the entire time outside the lane (in the field of play) that influenced the umps decision.

Ok, thanks for this.  Was getting my left and right mixed up, as I'm thinking left/right from the overhead shot they kept playing over and over last night.  So the runner actually needs to be on the foul side of the line the second half of his run.  Not sure it makes sense, but at least I now know the rule - so thanks for that.

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2 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Here is a still frame of his last step before the bag.  Remember, the rule says by the time he's HALF WAY down the baseline he has to be between those two white lines.

runner interference

Thanks for this.  Seems like it puts right handed batters at a pretty decent disadvantage.  The follow thru of their swing is going to lead them to start from the left side of the line from the view of that picture.  Halfway down the line they need to now be to the right of it.....to hit a bag that's placed to the left of it.

But also that shot shows that had the ball been throw more to the left (from this point of view) the runner wouldn't have impacted the throw or catch at all.  Just feels weird that the placement of the throw (rather than it's timing) should impact the runner. 

 

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Much ado about nothing.

Personally I think the strike 3 call on Robles was worse. Especially after a similar pitch to the previous batter Zimmerman that was much closer to being a strike was called ball 4.  Every sport has these controversies over officiating. Always have, always will.  Guess that's partly what makes them interesting.  

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59 minutes ago, matttyl said:

Not a huge baseball fan, but a Nats fan so I'm watching the series with great interest (as I have with their entire playoff run.

So what was Turner suppose to do?  At what point in his run to first should he have been on, or to the right of (when looking at camera from behind him) the line in order to not be breaking the rule?  It's not in his interest to do anything other than a straight line from where he was when he finished his hit to the bag itself., which he appeared to do. 

What's the purpose of the rule itself?  The 1st baseman can't block the bag, and the runner has a free path to the bag itself.  It was a bad throw that caused all this, so why should a bad throw result in the batter/runner being out?

The purpose of the rule is to give the runner a running lane where they are protected from being called for interference on a throw coming from around the plate.  If they are running in the proper lane and they get hit with the ball then there is no interference.  While running where Turner was running does not give them that protection.  

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50 minutes ago, matttyl said:

Again, I'm not a baseball guy.  Where, and when, does Turner need to be in that lane?  Immediately after hitting the ball?  Once the ball has been thrown?  When the 1st baseman is attempting to catch it?  And where is that lane?

The lane is marked by chalk.  You will see it in every MLB game.  It starts half way to 1st base and that is when the runner must be in that lane to be "safe" from interference.  This only applies to plays that originate around home plate to give the runner a safety lane to avoid interference.  It is the runner's responsibility to get into that lane by the 45' mark (which is where it starts). 

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38 minutes ago, matttyl said:

Thanks for this.  Seems like it puts right handed batters at a pretty decent disadvantage.  The follow thru of their swing is going to lead them to start from the left side of the line from the view of that picture.  Halfway down the line they need to now be to the right of it.....to hit a bag that's placed to the left of it.

But also that shot shows that had the ball been throw more to the left (from this point of view) the runner wouldn't have impacted the throw or catch at all.  Just feels weird that the placement of the throw (rather than it's timing) should impact the runner. 

 

It is true that it is a bit of a disadvantage but the lane is there for the batter-runner's protection against being called for interference.  By the letter of the law it is in his best interested to be in that lane so that he doesn't get called out if the throw is a bit off line (as is what happened last night).  I believe that if he was in the proper running lane and then veered with his last step to the bag (as is allowed by the rule) that he would not have been called out.  I think the main reason he was called out was because he was in fair territory the entire way to the bag hence veering to his right to hit the bag allowing him to be in the way of the throw - which I am certain he did on purpose.  Play the gray area of the rule and hope it comes your way.  Per the rule I think this was a fairly easy call and agree with how it was called. 

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22 hours ago, Todem said:

There are multiple things.

First and foremost scouting plate umpires is a big part of baseball and understanding a particular umpires "zone" can be crucial to not making mistake pitches and pitching to their "pitchers" strikes instead of finding out during a game with 3 walks and 2 dingers later. It is part of the maze/chess match that is baseball. As a hitter you will understand far more what you can get away with taking vs what you need to fight off to prevent getting rung up. Knowing a guy has a low and outside strike....well I better make sure I jump on that first pitch fastball and not get behind because this pitcher as a back door slider that is killer and this ump loves to call it a strike one ball off the plate. 

 

All that goes away with a robo ump. The game becomes......blech.

The art of the umpires calling games is as much a part of baseball as the players. Yes that is right. Human error is a part of life, sports and to me the more we try to eliminate that...the more we are dehumanizing the game. MLB umpires get 99% right. Even if they got 3-4% wrong that is amazing considering the speed of this game. Calling balls and strikes is a high level skill and I love seeing what an umpires zone is for that game. It is part of the fun not only as a fan.....but as someone who played ball into college. 

If anyone here has played/coached (I have done both) baseball at a high level high school and beyond I dare to say you would hate to see robots calling games.

Interaction with the plate umpire, working a plate umpire as a coach, or a hitter or a catcher is also a huge part of the fun, charm and elegance of playing baseball.

I am actually a supporter of MLB's replay system. I think they have it right and do not need to change a thing. It is fast, and they get it right 99.7% of the time. The NFL is a shining example of what is wrong with replay and playing sports frame by frame on HD. It is an abortion what they have done to the NFL.

So with that. Leave the umpires alone. They do an incredible job (most of them).  So if you have an umpire who is consistently inconsistent, remove them. There are hundreds of young umps who are ready to move to The Show.

This is very well said and I have been using this same argument any time this comes up.  Part of baseball has always been adjusting to the nuances of the strikezone game to game.  The only thing any player asks is that it is called consistently for that game.  Call a borderline pitch a strike in Inning 1 it needs to be called in inning 9 and vice versa.  As long as that happens then the individualized strike zone is great and very much a part of game strategy. 

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28 minutes ago, matttyl said:

Thanks for this.  Seems like it puts right handed batters at a pretty decent disadvantage.  The follow thru of their swing is going to lead them to start from the left side of the line from the view of that picture.  Halfway down the line they need to now be to the right of it.....to hit a bag that's placed to the left of it.

But also that shot shows that had the ball been throw more to the left (from this point of view) the runner wouldn't have impacted the throw or catch at all.  Just feels weird that the placement of the throw (rather than it's timing) should impact the runner. 

 

Watching last night, I thought the first basement sold the interference.  The first baseman's step is toward second base, setting up for a throw away from the baseline.  When the throw came to his left, he's forced to reach back awkwardly and it seems like he throws his glove out there expecting it to get knocked off his hand.

My take is that these guys are all so experienced with this situation, they are both playing the refs. The baserunner and first baseman both knew the ball was hit to a place where it would be a tight angle throw, and each did their best to take advantage of it.  Turner is essentially daring the referee to make a hard call in a huge moment.  In the end, I have no problem with the call.  There's really no doubt Turner was inside the line and did not run a legal path to first base.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1189372600616656896

 

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1 hour ago, Don Quixote said:

The relevant part of the rule states "In running the last half of the distance from home base to first base, while the ball is being fielded to first base, he runs outside (to the right of) the three-foot line, or inside (to the left of) the foul line, and in the umpire's judgment in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base, in which case the ball is dead;"

"In so doing" suggests a need for cause and effect.  Did Turner running outside the running lane cause the interference?  I did not think so.  Interference was caused by the bad throw coming into the lane that Turner needed to be in in order to touch the bag, not by the way that Turner ran.

The rule says nothing about the throw.  The responsibility is solely on the runner so if he is running in the safe lane provided he is not subject to interference.  If he is running outside this safe space and he interferes with the ability to catch the ball he can be called out for interference.  The throw is never mentioned and is not relevant to where the runner is running or if he is subject to interference (with respect to the throw being "good" or not). 

 

In last night's play the throw was catchable if not for Turner being in the way.  He was not running in the lane provided therefore he interfered with the ability to catch the ball and should be called out. 

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3 minutes ago, CletiusMaximus said:

Watching last night, I thought the first basement sold the interference.  The first baseman's step is toward second base, setting up for a throw away from the baseline.  When the throw came to his left, he's forced to reach back awkwardly and it seems like he throws his glove out there expecting it to get knocked off his hand.

My take is that these guys are all so experienced with this situation, they are both playing the refs. The baserunner and first baseman both knew the ball was hit to a place where it would be a tight angle throw, and each did their best to take advantage of it.  Turner is essentially daring the referee to make a hard call in a huge moment.  In the end, I have no problem with the call.  There's really no doubt Turner was inside the line and did not run a legal path to first base.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1189372600616656896

 

There are no referees in baseball.  They are umpires...…...sorry this is a bit of a pet peeve of mine...…..hahahaha.    Same when people say the Nats scored 7 points last night.  There are no points in baseball.  They scored 7 runs...….hahahahhaha

 

 

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4 hours ago, DallasDMac said:

So first time home team lost six straight in a seven game series. Unbreakable record going to bet set tonight? 'Stros fan, but almost want to see history made.

https://www.mlb.com/news/world-series-road-teams-notching-early-wins

Sorry if it's a Honda, not following the thread, but this just fascinates me.

The exact opposite of the 1991 World Series.

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8 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

Game 4 of last years world series had a very similar play in the 6th inning. They did not call Bellinger out. 

That example is way worse. I can't imagine anyone complaining about Bellinger being called out. The differences there are stark.

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The interference call last night was ridiculously wrong.  If the umpire had NOT made the call, would a single person have brought it up?

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2 hours ago, Jayrok said:

Strasburg is a cyborg.  

Verlander strangely can't get it done on the biggest stage.  Handing out dingers like Halloween candy. 

0-7 in World Series starts.   Very puzzling and Kershawish.  JV did not look confidant at all last 2 outings.

One thing that drives me crazy about Verlander is when he gets up 0-2, he throws that big curve that is nowhere near the zone that the hitter lays off on instead of putting the guy away.  Then next thing you know it is 3-2 and he walks the guy.  Did it twice in a row yesterday with 2 outs and added about 20 pitches to his count.

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19 minutes ago, trader jake said:

The interference call last night was ridiculously wrong.  If the umpire had NOT made the call, would a single person have brought it up?

Yes, all of the Astro backers and anybody that reads the rule.  By rule the runner was not running in the proper lane and was therefore subject to being called out for interference if he interfered with the ability of the 1B to catch the ball.  He interfered with that ability.  It is the runner's responsibility to get into the running lane.  Turner did not do this. 

 

It is a judgement call that could have been called the other way but by the definition of the rule he should have been called out.

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3 hours ago, ChiefD said:

But, in the regular season that make that call with regularity.

It's getting all this attention in this World Series for obvious reason, but runners cheat that line all the time to try and get away with it. Not saying I like it, because I think the rule is dumb.

But I actually think the umps called it properly here. Lucky for MLB Rendon saved their backs on this one. 

You are the only one.

ETA:  I was wrong

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1 hour ago, parasaurolophus said:

Game 4 of last years world series had a very similar play in the 6th inning. They did not call Bellinger out. 

They could, and probably should, have called him out.

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2 hours ago, Jayrok said:

Strasburg is a cyborg.  

Verlander strangely can't get it done on the biggest stage.  Handing out dingers like Halloween candy. 

Hey now.  He had a no decision once ... once.

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2 minutes ago, Gally said:

Yes, all of the Astro backers and anybody that reads the rule.  By rule the runner was not running in the proper lane and was therefore subject to being called out for interference if he interfered with the ability of the 1B to catch the ball.  He interfered with that ability.  It is the runner's responsibility to get into the running lane.  Turner did not do this. 

 

It is a judgement call that could have been called the other way but by the definition of the rule he should have been called out.

People are just throwing out things like “ridiculously wrong”, etc. without explaining why. 

I mean the guy was close but he was not in the lane he needed to be in AND he knocked the glove off the first baseman on a throw that was obviously going to beat him and get him out. 

I don’t see how anyone can see it any other way tbh. 

If you want to complain about the rule itself or where the base should be located, okay. I get that. That ought to be your beef. 

Why Nats fans (or people hoping the Astros lose) care so much about this in a game they won is weird to me. 

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Honestly after reading the rule and watching the replay it seems insane to me that anyone could argue it was a bad call.  It was called exactly as the rule is written.  If you don't want to get called for interference then don't run outside the lane.  If you want to shave a quarter step off your run down the first base line by running outside the lane then you are risking getting called for interference if it looks like you may have gotten in the way.  He took the risk and lost.

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1 hour ago, Gally said:

The rule says nothing about the throw.  The responsibility is solely on the runner so if he is running in the safe lane provided he is not subject to interference.  If he is running outside this safe space and he interferes with the ability to catch the ball he can be called out for interference.  The throw is never mentioned and is not relevant to where the runner is running or if he is subject to interference (with respect to the throw being "good" or not). 

 

In last night's play the throw was catchable if not for Turner being in the way.  He was not running in the lane provided therefore he interfered with the ability to catch the ball and should be called out. 

ok, I think I change my mind.  I disagree that it was the throw that ultimately caused this problem and that it still would not have been catchable had Turner been running in the correct lane.  But, with the contact occurring and where Turner was running, it "forced" the umpire to make the interference call.

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