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I'm told #Yankees have a seven-year, $245 million offer on the table for Gerrit Cole. Would be a record-setting contract for a pitcher, surpassing Greinke’s $34.4 million AAV. Question is whether #Dodgers or #Angels will go to 8-9 or even 10 years.

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On 12/7/2019 at 10:18 PM, Senor Schmutzig said:

Marcell Ozuna to sign with the White Sox on Monday. Not the signing I want (need pitching) but having Ozuna in right every day is a hell of a lot better than what they were trotting out there this summer. Still a defensive liability but I'll take my chances there...

Saw them say last night on MLB Network that this turned out to be a false rumor.

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I see the Padres have no interest in Strasburg, Cole or Rendon.  Or at least they have no interest in paying that much money.  Not even meeting with them.

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35 minutes ago, TheIronSheik said:

I see the Padres have no interest in Strasburg, Cole or Rendon.  Or at least they have no interest in paying that much money.  Not even meeting with them.

After paying Machado, that’s a lot to add someone around that same price.

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8 minutes ago, stbugs said:

After paying Machado, that’s a lot to add someone around that same price.

Harold Reynolds was kind of saying the same thing about the Angels last night.  If you have Trout at $500 million and a pitcher at $300 million, you have two guys on the payroll at almost a billion dollars.  It just doesn't make too much sense to pay 2 guys that much money.  You need to spread out the payroll.

Not saying he's right, but just echoing what you're saying.

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So if the Phils sign Didi, then I imagine that Segura gets traded.  But does he have any real trade value? 

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29 minutes ago, TheIronSheik said:

So if the Phils sign Didi, then I imagine that Segura gets traded.  But does he have any real trade value? 

I think Segura gets moved to 3B in this scenario (they must not love his D at SS because this has been discussed since the end of last season). No, I don't think he has much trade value. His contract is probably considered fair market value right now.

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Just now, E-Z Glider said:

I think Segura gets moved to 3B in this scenario (they must not love his D at SS because this has been discussed since the end of last season). No, I don't think he has much trade value. His contract is probably considered fair market value right now.

But the Phils have also been connected to Rendon, Donaldson and Kris Bryant, so I don't think he's Plan A for 3B either.

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1 minute ago, TheIronSheik said:

But the Phils have also been connected to Rendon, Donaldson and Kris Bryant, so I don't think he's Plan A for 3B either.

I think the Rendon "rumors" were just Middleton doing Boras a solid. They need SP too bad to dump that much money into a 3B.

I think someone will pay Donaldson more (years or money) than we are willing.

I think if anything else "big" happens this offseason, it will be via trade. They're pretty much "all-in" at this point and in "win-now" mode, so nothing would surprise me. Bohm is a nice trade chip and there are some big IF names being floated (Bryant, Lindor, etc).

If they decide to do nothing, Brad Miller and Josh Harrison could platoon at 3B until Bohm is ready.

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14 minutes ago, E-Z Glider said:

I think the Rendon "rumors" were just Middleton doing Boras a solid. They need SP too bad to dump that much money into a 3B.

I think someone will pay Donaldson more (years or money) than we are willing.

I think if anything else "big" happens this offseason, it will be via trade. They're pretty much "all-in" at this point and in "win-now" mode, so nothing would surprise me. Bohm is a nice trade chip and there are some big IF names being floated (Bryant, Lindor, etc).

If they decide to do nothing, Brad Miller and Josh Harrison could platoon at 3B until Bohm is ready.

It seems like Strasburg is most likely going back to DC.  And Cole to the Yanks.  So for pitching, you can find some cheap(er) options out there.  Maybe a (boy I hate to say this name, but) Keuchel.  Or a Ryu who doesn't require a draft pick compensation.  Or Madbum.

But the point I guess I'm making is that those contracts should be relatively cheap, which still allows for a big name signing.  Or maybe a big trade where they eat a lot of salary which allows for less prospects to be given.  

The Phils had made it clear they had enough for Harper and Trout.  And now that Trout is off the table, they have a lot of stupid money just waiting to be spent.  

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1 hour ago, TheIronSheik said:

It seems like Strasburg is most likely going back to DC.  And Cole to the Yanks.  So for pitching, you can find some cheap(er) options out there.  Maybe a (boy I hate to say this name, but) Keuchel.  Or a Ryu who doesn't require a draft pick compensation.  Or Madbum.

But the point I guess I'm making is that those contracts should be relatively cheap, which still allows for a big name signing.  Or maybe a big trade where they eat a lot of salary which allows for less prospects to be given.  

The Phils had made it clear they had enough for Harper and Trout.  And now that Trout is off the table, they have a lot of stupid money just waiting to be spent.  

Well, they did sign Wheeler too, so while they may still have some money to spend, I dont think its Cole/Stras type money (unless they're willing to go over the cap). That's why I think they look at trades instead. Robbie Ray makes a ton of sense. A power-lefty with one year left on his contract.

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10 minutes ago, E-Z Glider said:

Well, they did sign Wheeler too, so while they may still have some money to spend, I dont think its Cole/Stras type money (unless they're willing to go over the cap). That's why I think they look at trades instead. Robbie Ray makes a ton of sense. A power-lefty with one year left on his contract.

I saw them talking about the cap and how a lot of big market teams aren't too worried about it because they expect it to be raised at the next CBA.  

Side note:  I see the Indians are saying they most likely are keeping Lindor.  I know that the Phils were looking at him, too.  

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I see Heyman says that the Yanks, Dodgers, Phillies, Angels and Rangers are all still in on Cole.  That's surprising.  

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Sounds like Stras is going back to DC.  And Rendon is only being pursued by the Dodgers and Rangers.

That would mean the top 4 FA's would be off the board if Cole goes to the Yanks.

If that happens, going to be a lot of teams scrambling for the lesser FA's still out there.  Could drive up their prices.  

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2 minutes ago, TheIronSheik said:

Sounds like Stras is going back to DC.  And Rendon is only being pursued by the Dodgers and Rangers.

That would mean the top 4 FA's would be off the board if Cole goes to the Yanks.

If that happens, going to be a lot of teams scrambling for the lesser FA's still out there.  Could drive up their prices.  

Stras officially back with DC.

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5 minutes ago, TheIronSheik said:

Stras officially back with DC.

7 years, $245 million.

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47 minutes ago, TheIronSheik said:

7 years, $245 million.

Yikes. That's a lot of money for a guy who's rarely healthy. Imagine it pushes the Cole price-tag way up too. Feeling very glad that the Phils inked Wheeler before this madness.

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7 years for 31 year old pitchers is crazy.  i know arms are needed, but i wouldn’t have the stomach for that.  

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9 minutes ago, E-Z Glider said:

Yikes. That's a lot of money for a guy who's rarely healthy. Imagine it pushes the Cole price-tag way up too. Feeling very glad that the Phils inked Wheeler before this madness.

Rarely healthy is a bit of a stretch

2013 - 2019 Strasburg has started 194 games and pitched 1,187 innings

2013 - 2019 Cole has started 192 games and pitched 1,195 innings

I know it does always seem Stras misses a few games mid year, and the Nats have also kept an eye on his innings, but he's been a pretty durable pitcher.  

I agree that throwing that kind of money on a pitcher for his mid-30's seems sky high, and more times than not doesn't work out, but it's worked out great for Scherzer who got paid at 30 by the Nats.  And winning a WS always gives some extra money for the home town player.

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8 minutes ago, Chemical X said:

7 years for 31 year old pitchers is crazy.  i know arms are needed, but i wouldn’t have the stomach for that.  

Pitchers seem to be OK as they get older.  Look at Verlander.  Hell, the Neikro brothers pitched well into their 120's. 

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6 minutes ago, NREC34 said:

I hope Cole signs with the Angels. NY will be too good if they get him. 

Gotta assume everyone is back in play since the reported Yankee offer (7/245) obviously isn't getting it done now.

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28 minutes ago, TheIronSheik said:

Pitchers seem to be OK as they get older.  Look at Verlander.  Hell, the Neikro brothers pitched well into their 120's. 

Were both the Neikro brothers knuckleball pitchers?  I don't think that takes as much toll on their arms.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, Chemical X said:

munson was a better player than simmons.

Simmons was a better pilot

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15 hours ago, Jamesinaz said:

Were both the Neikro brothers knuckleball pitchers?  I don't think that takes as much toll on their arms.  

 

 

I was really just going for the joke.  

But look at guys like Verlander, Sabbathia, Ryan, Clemens, Randy Johnson...

My point is that a pitcher has a longer shelf life than a position player.  There have been plenty of pitchers in the 35 to 40 age range that have dominated.

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Looks like Rendon is going to be either a Nat, Dodger, Angel or Ranger.

Looks like Cole is going to be either a Yankee, Dodger or Angel.

And both sound like they could happen soon.  A little disappointed we haven't heard much from the Astros.  I know they need to save money for their core guys coming up, but I think without another good pitcher, the playoffs will actually be a fight this coming year.  

And I know the Phils got Wheeler, but if they don't get someone else semi-big, this offseason might be a semi-big disappointment.  

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Sheik, did you forget that the Astros have McCullers coming back? 

Maybe Urqidy gets the #4 idk. Still have Peacock who has started before too. 

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18 minutes ago, TheIronSheik said:

And I know the Phils got Wheeler, but if they don't get someone else semi-big, this offseason might be a semi-big disappointment.  

I know the Knicks are looking to off-load Julius Randle...

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12 minutes ago, NREC34 said:

Sheik, did you forget that the Astros have McCullers coming back? 

Maybe Urqidy gets the #4 idk. Still have Peacock who has started before too. 

Nope.  Didn't forget.  And I hope he's his old self.  I'm also not saying they won't be good.  I'm just saying that the past 2 years, I felt like winning the West was a given.  No real challenge.  I could see 2020 being a lot tougher.  

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14 minutes ago, Capella said:

Boras trick #1 

Yeah, and Heyman has become an industry joke at this point. He parrots whatever Boras tells him and then Boras agrees to give him the scoop when something actually does happen.

Although it wouldn't totally shock me to hear the Phils were at least submitting an offer. There have been rumblings that they may be willing to go over the cap.

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You gotta love ESPN with their BREAKING NEWS:  Yankees offer Cole more than what Strasburg got.

Umm... Ok.  Unless you have specifics, this means nothing.  We all pretty much knew that already.

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Didi Gregorious to Philadelphia

Kevin Gausman to SF

Both on one year deals

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I am just happy we have a real hot stove this off-season. The whole Machado, Harper BS last off-season was painful. 

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Phillies fans consider yourself lucky with Didi. You got yourselves a real winner and team leader.

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The Giants also traded for the remains of Zack Cozart.  They're taking on his entire 2020 salary of $12.7M but are getting SS prospect Will Wilson for their troubles.  Wilson went 1.15 in the most recent amateur draft.  San Francisco will send cash and/or a PTBNL.

The Anaheims free up money to spend on free agents.  The Giants get a mystery box of a former All-Star and an interesting future piece in Wilson.  If Cozart is healthy, he could be a decent spare IF who can spell the equally washed Brandon Crawford vs. LHP.

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What in the world could the Angels possibly do with that money they are saving by getting rid of Cozart??

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17 minutes ago, NREC34 said:

What in the world could the Angels possibly do with that money they are saving by getting rid of Cozart??

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The money is incredible and 9 years seems nuts. But they've got a window to win before they have to start REALLY paying all the hitters, and they got severino (and Paxton) at a discount, so here we are.

Lots of pressure on Boone now. No more excuses

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7 minutes ago, TLEF316 said:

The money is incredible and 9 years seems nuts. But they've got a window to win before they have to start REALLY paying all the hitters, and they got severino (and Paxton) at a discount, so here we are.

Lots of pressure on Boone now. No more excuses

There’s no possible way this contract doesn’t end up being an awful deal even for the Yankees. It’s basically over $1M per start.

 

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12 minutes ago, bigmarc27 said:

There’s no possible way this contract doesn’t end up being an awful deal even for the Yankees. It’s basically over $1M per start.

 

The crazy thing is they're really only paying him for the (hopefully) 5-7 starts he'd make during a world series run. I mean, they just won 103 without him.(while suffering a historic number of injuries and not having severino for basically the entire season)

You're also paying for him NOT to pitch for the Astros, which also carries huge value.

But you're absolutely right, this thing will almost certainly be an albatross 6 years for now. But if they win multiple titles, they won't care. 

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The Yankees payroll has mostly stagnated over the last decade while revenues have essentially doubled. The contract might be pitched as an albatross 6-7 years from now, but they will certainly be able to afford it. Especially if they enhance the franchise value with more titles, and considering what $36 million will mean 6-7 years from now

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