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I'm a huge Trout fan. But Bregman should have won. I also feel like if Trout could win and miss a chunk of the season, then maybe Yellich should have won for the NL.gump said:Mike Trout! Now tied for the 2nd most MVPs in baseball history.
I didn't read the article because it's subscription based. But it said multiple teams. The focus was on the Astros because they won the WS.
Sorry, but I haven't seen any accusations about sign stealing using video about any other teams.
I accept your apology.Sorry, but I haven't seen any accusations about sign stealing using video about any other teams.
Again, we live in a world where cameras are everywhere. If you're dumb enough to throw down a one or a two, you deserve to have your signs stolen. Being dumb is not an excuse.
This sounds a little like victim blaming but whatever. Im not gonna debate this crap anymore with completely illogical and biased Astros fans. Just wait until the suspensions come down. They should be hefty.
Yeah I feel they pushed the envelope and want to see what comes out of it. I think it probably goes way beyond the Astros. I’m pretty sure it was going on big time in the ‘18 ALCS and the Astros knew without a doubt that Boston was doing it. I think Beltran was the ringleader of the whole thing but I see an article today where he has doubled down on saying nothing illegal was done.Capella said:
First of all, GB, you know I love you.
That would be different. That's telling you the direct play. While knowing the pitch is helpful, you still don't know where that pitch is going. Is it up? Down? Is it burying it? Is it breaking in the zone or out? There's also a big difference between a change up and a breaking ball. So, yes, knowing what pitch is obviously helpful, it does not tell you everything.
Yes. I said that. I was referencing how he said it's like listening in on the huddle in football. I was just saying that's not the same.But it is helpful
I doubt it. I would think regular season games where the crowd is sparse and noise is low would be when you’d try to do it.
I expect a lengthy suspension for Hinch, loss of draft picks, and a big fine. Also, possible smaller suspensions for Cora & Beltran (20 games?)
Data coming out suggests that it’s more than a little helpful...
They thought they could get away with it with less crowd noise. Just crazy to me that they thought that.
I mean that looks bad but their Away K% isn't that different than their Home K% in the 2017-2019 seasons.
Who’s to say they only did this at home? It’s not like this have never been brought up at away stadiums before.
Yes. This was brought up earlier. People tend to forget the Astros sucked for the years before they won the WS. They were literally publicly tanking.
Wouldn't they have to plant a video camera in the opposing team's CF stadium to do it in away games? I dunno how possible that is.
So the Cards lost their first two picks and were fined 2 million dollars. Would the Astros get more or less?
I don’t know exactly what the communication looks like for them going from the outfield to the dugout, but I don’t see how hard it would be to have someone hang out with a camera and just signal that in. A camera the size of a credit card can put HD clarity on the catchers crotch. It wouldn’t be that hard.
Again, all the more reasons that teams should have been more careful with their signals. It just seems so easy to use technology to steal the signs. Trusting others just seems odd.
Why can people just not be ####ty cheaters?
Have you ever played sports, GB? Everyone is trying to get an edge. Pushing the limits of the rules. Some rule violations get you a penalty like 5 yards. Or a 2 minute penalty. Or get the other team a foul shot or result in a turnover.
Lol, I always love the “have you ever played sports” argument. I played baseball through HS. My step-dad played in the Royals organization years ago. Regardless, that doesn’t make anyone more or less educated on the subject.
I was simply asking because if you've played sports, you know that people are always pushing the boundaries.
Pushing boundaries is seeing that the pitcher holds his glove lower on curve balls, setting a non-player/coach up with technology to view what the other team is planning to do in real time is premeditated cheating.
Sean Doolittle disagrees but he only plays professional baseball, so I don’t know if that qualifies him to speak on the subject.
You keep saying “it’s just sign stealing” over and over. I can’t tell if you’re purposely downplaying this or you’re just being dense. It’s not just sign stealing, and referring to this situation as such is misleading.
