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What the Hell is going on in this country?
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/04/us/dayton-ohio-active-shooter/index.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/04/us/dayton-ohio-active-shooter/index.html
you wouldn't think that was by chance.Just announced that one of the dead is the shooter's 22 year old sister.
Good post.Stompin' Tom Connors said:As if there wasn't already zero reason for anyone to own assault weapons.
Sad how this issue has gotten out of hand, and how quickly these shootings have become normalized without action.
My own personal viewpoint is that I see zero reason for anyone to own a gun. Any gun, whatsoever.
I realize my personal viewpoints are just those -- personal viewpoints -- and while many might disagree (some vehemently), I do think overall gun ownership has caused way more harm than good, with these tragic ongoing shootings being just one unfortunate symptom.
- You a hunter? Great, I'm not but to each his own. Pack a bow instead, different means to the same end. It's about hunting, not about what you kill the animal with -- right?
- You want to protect your home? Get an alarm system and insurance to cover theft -- not much I own in terms of material commercial goods are worth killing or getting myself or my family killed over in a gunfight in my own house. And I doubt the likelihood of me and my family getting raped at gunpoint in my own home is greater than armed burglars just wanting to take some valuables and get out of dodge quickly. Bad people and circumstances exist, no doubt -- some very messed-up people out there, not gonna deny it. But have a hard time believing that statistically, the likelihood and outcome of something truly bad happening to me or my family like that is changed materially by my owning a gun or not.
- You want to own a gun because of your Second Amendment right to bear arms? To protect this great nation against tyranny? Get over it. It's not the 18th century, and this country is arguably already well down the road of corruption and tyranny in so many white collar ways where guns don't figure into the equation whatsoever. That amendment should be viewed (as it was by SCOTUS for 70 years between the 1940s and 2008) as what it was likely originally intended as -- a collective right of the federal government to not restrict a state's right to defend itself -- NOT an individual right of every overcompensating yokel to arm themselves to the teeth.
We need to start somewhere, and why not with banning all assault weapons. We can argue over my points above, but I don't think there is a credible argument as why someone would absolutely need an assault weapon.
True - Wolf just ran down a bunch of the mass shootings in the past decade, didn't even mention the Borderline 12.9 doesn’t even move the needle these days.
At a local level, I don't know that this will even make a difference. Without having looked at any stats, the places where these legislators are winning likely have the public support on this issue.Out those with donations from the NRA or who refuse to vote for outright bans of assault rifles or 100% background checks.
Assault weapons are needless. Don’t disagree.Stompin' Tom Connors said:As if there wasn't already zero reason for anyone to own assault weapons.
Sad how this issue has gotten out of hand, and how quickly these shootings have become normalized without action.
My own personal viewpoint is that I see zero reason for anyone to own a gun. Any gun, whatsoever.
I realize my personal viewpoints are just those -- personal viewpoints -- and while many might disagree (some vehemently), I do think overall gun ownership has caused way more harm than good, with these tragic ongoing shootings being just one unfortunate symptom.
- You a hunter? Great, I'm not but to each his own. Pack a bow instead, different means to the same end. It's about hunting, not about what you kill the animal with -- right?
- You want to protect your home? Get an alarm system and insurance to cover theft -- not much I own in terms of material commercial goods are worth killing or getting myself or my family killed over in a gunfight in my own house. And I doubt the likelihood of me and my family getting raped at gunpoint in my own home is greater than armed burglars just wanting to take some valuables and get out of dodge quickly. Bad people and circumstances exist, no doubt -- some very messed-up people out there, not gonna deny it. But have a hard time believing that statistically, the likelihood and outcome of something truly bad happening to me or my family like that is changed materially by my owning a gun or not.
- You want to own a gun because of your Second Amendment right to bear arms? To protect this great nation against tyranny? Get over it. It's not the 18th century, and this country is arguably already well down the road of corruption and tyranny in so many white collar ways where guns don't figure into the equation whatsoever. That amendment should be viewed (as it was by SCOTUS for 70 years between the 1940s and 2008) as what it was likely originally intended as -- a collective right of the federal government to not restrict a state's right to defend itself -- NOT an individual right of every overcompensating yokel to arm themselves to the teeth.
We need to start somewhere, and why not with banning all assault weapons. We can argue over my points above, but I don't think there is a credible argument as why someone would absolutely need an assault weapon.
Just read that. That's a very bizarre twist to this story.bcat01 said:Just announced that one of the dead is the shooter's 22 year old sister.
I don't want to take guns away from sustenance hunters, but perhaps we can reintroduce apex predators to mitigate the imbalance man has created?Assault weapons are needless. Don’t disagree.
But archery only for deer in PA? My archery filled freezer wouldn’t suffer, and my hunting would likely exponentially improve but in reality more people would be killed by deer on the roads than by mass shootings. Please think it out before going on a diatribe
I don't know a lot about guns, but I think there is a difference between rifles used for hunting and assault rifles with 100 round magazines.Assault weapons are needless. Don’t disagree.
But archery only for deer in PA? My archery filled freezer wouldn’t suffer, and my hunting would likely exponentially improve but in reality more people would be killed by deer on the roads than by mass shootings. Please think it out before going on a diatribe
There were a couple of apex predators on display this weekend. We don't need any moreI don't want to take guns away from sustenance hunters, but perhaps we can reintroduce apex predators to mitigate the imbalance man has created?
Not sure I see the logic here.Assault weapons are needless. Don’t disagree.
But archery only for deer in PA? My archery filled freezer wouldn’t suffer, and my hunting would likely exponentially improve but in reality more people would be killed by deer on the roads than by mass shootings. Please think it out before going on a diatribe
Please educate me then. What data do you have to support that changing hunting implements from guns to bows would cause a disastrous surge in car-related deaths related to hitting deer on the road?@Stompin' Tom Connors You apparently know nothing about how difficult it is to shoot deer with an archery weapon and the subsequent surge in deer/vehicle related crashes that would ensue under your proposal. Please stop speaking on it as if you can statistically manufacture a reasonable solution to this. As a hunter and hunting gun owner I’m on your side when it comes to assault rifle gun control which is probably as rare as you could possibly imagine but you need to find another solution because this one is rather poor.
Show stats of how taking guns from hunters would reduce shooting deaths.Stompin' Tom Connors said:Please educate me then. What data do you have to support that changing hunting implements from guns to bows would cause a disastrous surge in car-related deaths related to hitting deer on the road?
Per the CDC in their study of trends from 1999 to 2014, more people died from gun deaths in Pennsylvania than car-related deaths -- with deer-related car deaths being a tiny fraction (likely around the 1% cited earlier) of those car deaths.
Tell me again why more deer on the road is more of a threat and an issue than guns in the house?
I see an emotion reaction here, with very little fact.
No one is manufacturing any single solution to the gun crisis in the US, least of all me -- it's a highly charged, multi-layered, complicated issue. I can't claim I know the answers, I only point out that if people weren't so blindly attached to their guns and their "right" to own one in this country, faster and more meaningful change could likely get done.
Would it solve all gun violence or bad things happening to good people at the hands of evil sociopaths? I'm not naive. But there has to be more pervasive efforts -- these mass shootings are way out of hand and way too normalized here.
An to that end, I will happily take more wildlife in the woods than wild shooters in the streets, given all the risks that both entail.
Switching from hunting to fishing here, I see.Show stats of how taking guns from hunters would reduce shooting deaths.
Reduce your emotion, think it out.
Come up with a solution.
Venison is delicious, tastes good shot with bow or gun.