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5 minutes ago, Idiot Boxer said:

Anybody heard the story behind Jordan Berry's gaffe.  Surely that could not have been a called play.

Tomlin said it was a called play after the game but.......was supposedly audibled out of by the punt team.....unfortunatly berry was the only person that missed the communication.

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5 minutes ago, fred_1_15301 said:

It is funny that he was trolling us but honestly he was actually doing it in a pretty civil fashion.  I didn't have a problem with him.  :shrug:   And he's a Dolphins fan so you got to give the poor sap a little bit of a break.

I don’t find it appropriate to do that #### in any team threads but could just be me. I know some do. If I meander into another teams thread it’s usually just to drop info or ask opinions. You do more than that you deserve to be called out when you make yourself into a fool.

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9 hours ago, fred_1_15301 said:

How so?  They lost fairly convincingly to New England and Cleveland.  Their other 3 losses were close but almost every team in the league has close losses.  

Outside NE. They were in every game and should have beaten Baltimore, SF, and Seattle with backups playing. 

Kerrith Whyte Is currently their best back. 

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11 hours ago, fred_1_15301 said:

Nice win today.  If the Steelers win against Buffalo next week, that will give them a very high probability of making the playoffs.  If they lose, they're in a good bit of trouble.  Sunday night game - hope the defense comes out fired up.  Buffalo showed today that they have. a very good defense.  

Right now it looks like the final AFC wildcard will likely be the Steelers, Texans or Titans.  Here are their remaining games

Steelers: Buffalo, @NYJets, @Baltimore

Texans: @Tennessee, @Tampa, Tennessee

Tennessee:  Houston, Saints, @Houston

 

The Steelers will be in great shape if they beat Buffalo and have a decent shot at the 5th seed.  If they lose then they'll need to beat Baltimore in week 17 on the road or hope the Texans sweep the Titans.  Obviously this assumes a win against the Jets which is by no means a sure thing 

 

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If the Ravens beat the Jets on Thursday, then win at Cleveland in Week 16, they'd have the #1 seed clinched before facing the Steelers in Week 17. I could absolutely see the Ravens benching Lamar, or pulling him after the first possession or two at the very least. There would be absolutely no reason to expose him to punishment from any D, let alone one as good as Pittsburgh's. I think a lot of Ravens starters would see a fair amount of bench time in such a game - though with roster sizes being what they are, you really can't sit out that many guys at any one time. But Lamar, Ingram, Andrews (who got hurt yesterday, but apparently not too bad), Hollywood Brown (who's been dinged up all season) would all be candidates for very limited playing time.

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We needed Oakland to step up and win yesterday, but other than that, pretty much every game went the way we needed it to.

Houston lost, making the games against the Titans mean more.

NE lost, giving the Ravens the opportunity to clinch the #1 seed before week 17

If Oakland had won, we'd have a very nice buffer. 

 

Juju should be back for Buffalo.  Connor might.  Last home game, in prime time.  I like our chances.

 

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19 hours ago, pfalvey said:

Tomlin said it was a called play after the game but.......was supposedly audibled out of by the punt team.....unfortunatly berry was the only person that missed the communication.

That is really the only acceptable explanation for that play. I almost spit out my beer when it happened. 

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It doesn't matter if it was a called play the entire game. It's another example of Tomlin's shortcomings as an in-game manager. If he had been on top of things and if he knew it was called depending on the defensive look, there's no scenario where a fake punt would make sense no matter what the Cardinals did. Up 10, 4th quarter, on your own end of the field, and with a great defense. That fake punt should've been called off entirely, and that's on coaching.

Between that and the clock management at the end, it was a piss poor quarter of coaching that luckily didn't cost the team anything.

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How do we feel about the defense’s chances against the Bills this week? 

Ravens took it to them and the Steelers are a better D but it’s hard to imagine the Bills flopping two weeks in a row. 

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4 hours ago, ATB said:

How do we feel about the defense’s chances against the Bills this week? 

Ravens took it to them and the Steelers are a better D but it’s hard to imagine the Bills flopping two weeks in a row. 

Josh Allen is good but not great.  He's been sacked 33 times so I would think the Steelers defense should be able to bring pressure so it really comes down to how well Allen responds to that.   The Bills do have a good rushing game but the Steelers defense has been pretty good against the run. 

I think in some ways the Bills are similar to the Steelers.  I fully expect both teams to play it close to the vest with an occasional shot down the field.   I am thinking this is going to be one of those games where a late turnover could decide the game.

Playing at home on prime time certainly doesn't hurt either.

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I think the Steelers win this week.  Prime time statement game from the defense coming up

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You guys are looking at the Titans/Texans match-ups backwards. They're both 8-5 and the Titans are rolling. If they sweep the Texans, we have a much easier path into the playoffs and the Titans have been dominating the last several weeks with Tannehill at the helm. I think the Titans win at least 1, so I'm hoping they win both.

The Ravens should have the #1 seed locked up before week 17 unless something crazy happens, and at most I see them playing key starters for just the first half. The two sides of the coin are keep the team rolling into the playoffs and don't risk getting cold with a 2-week bye, versus possibly losing starters to injury. The Steelers will be playing their asses off, even if they somehow lose to the Bills and Jets and have 0 shot at the playoffs, the Ravens game will be their new Super Bowl. We hit Lamar a lot last time we played, that's why we almost won. I would be shocked if they played him a full 4 quarters against us, even if they are losing, I think they bench him at halftime at worst.

The Steelers should win the game Sunday night. The Bills stink. Everyone seems to be under the illusion that they're good because of their record, but they must not be looking at who they've actually played. They have wins against the Jets, Giants, Bengals, Dolphins, Redskins, and Brandon Allen lead Broncos. They also have wins against the Titans when they were starting Mariota, and the Cowboys who are crumbling before our very eyes, lead by a hapless Garrett.  The Bills are a creation of their circumstances and are not a legitimate contender. The Steelers could still lose to them, but they shouldn't. 

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As a Ravens fan, I was very impressed with the Buffalo defense, especially watching them back-to-back with the 49ers defense. They're not on that level, primarily because their front 4 isn't as physically gifted, but scheme and discipline wise, they're comparable. And I'm similarly impressed with Pittsburgh's D. 

On the other hand, the Buffalo offense is very weak. I think you can attribute a lot of Allen's recent improvement to his lousy competition. He didn't threaten the Ravens all day - and they kept him in the pocket where he was a sitting duck. I honestly think this Sunday Night game could be something like 13-10, with whichever team avoids turnovers coming out on top. I just don't see how either team scores as many as 20 points.

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49 minutes ago, steelers1080 said:

You guys are looking at the Titans/Texans match-ups backwards. They're both 8-5 and the Titans are rolling. If they sweep the Texans, we have a much easier path into the playoffs and the Titans have been dominating the last several weeks with Tannehill at the helm. I think the Titans win at least 1, so I'm hoping they win both.

The Ravens should have the #1 seed locked up before week 17 unless something crazy happens, and at most I see them playing key starters for just the first half. The two sides of the coin are keep the team rolling into the playoffs and don't risk getting cold with a 2-week bye, versus possibly losing starters to injury. The Steelers will be playing their asses off, even if they somehow lose to the Bills and Jets and have 0 shot at the playoffs, the Ravens game will be their new Super Bowl. We hit Lamar a lot last time we played, that's why we almost won. I would be shocked if they played him a full 4 quarters against us, even if they are losing, I think they bench him at halftime at worst.

The Steelers should win the game Sunday night. The Bills stink. Everyone seems to be under the illusion that they're good because of their record, but they must not be looking at who they've actually played. They have wins against the Jets, Giants, Bengals, Dolphins, Redskins, and Brandon Allen lead Broncos. They also have wins against the Titans when they were starting Mariota, and the Cowboys who are crumbling before our very eyes, lead by a hapless Garrett.  The Bills are a creation of their circumstances and are not a legitimate contender. The Steelers could still lose to them, but they shouldn't. 

I think the Steelers are rooting for a sweep of the Titans-Texans games, by either team.  What we don't want is a split unless of course we beat Buffalo and the Jets which almost guarantees a playoff spot.

I don't think the Bills stink but I agree they really haven't beaten anyone tough either.  That said our last few games haven't been against world beaters either

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1 hour ago, Godsbrother said:

I think the Steelers are rooting for a sweep of the Titans-Texans games, by either team.  What we don't want is a split unless of course we beat Buffalo and the Jets which almost guarantees a playoff spot.

I don't think the Bills stink but I agree they really haven't beaten anyone tough either.  That said our last few games haven't been against world beaters either

If there is going to be a sweep, I think we want Houston to sweep Tennessee.  That would allow us to get in by only beating the Jets.  If Tennessee sweeps Houston and we lose to Buffalo and the Ravens, I believe we would lose the tiebreaker to Houston (based on record against common opponents).  With a split, we have a very good shot since Tennessee would also need to beat the Saints in New Orleans.  Obviously best scenario is to just win this Sunday and then beat the stinking Jets.  As you said, that would all but guarantee us a playoff spot.

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I messed with the Playoff Machine and couldn't find a way to knock the Steelers out if they get to 10-6, regardless of how they get there or what happens in the two Titans/Texans games - whether one team sweeps or they split.  I think 2 wins in the last 3 games guarantees a playoff spot.

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It will be the freakin worst if we need the Ravens game to make the playoffs, and we lose to their backups, a la Ryan Mallett loss a couple years ago. Ugh. Just thinking about it makes me mad.

Also, if the Steelers win out, we'll be the 5th seed. That would give me some hope to actually make moves in the playoffs. If that happened we'd most likely play the Texans or Titans first, then the Ravens, then the Pats or Chiefs. I think our team is good enough to give the Titans or Texans a run for their money, especially if Henry is banged up or if Watson has an off-day like last week. Then we'd face the Ravens in Baltimore, but we played them really close last time, and I think we'd have at least a 30% shot at a win. The Chiefs just beat the Pats at home, but honestly either team has been beatable because their running games aren't doing great and their QBs aren't playing at 100%. Our odds of beating any of these playoff teams would be less than 50%, but with our Defense's ability to generate turnovers and keep us in games, it doesn't seem like the impossible task it did just a few weeks ago.

Lastly, the similarities between Duck's string of wins and Big Ben's is eerie. He came in when the starter was knocked out by the Ravens, and proceeds to win all his starts. He runs for key first downs and leads us to scrappy wins with a very solid D in front of him (yes, Ben used to run when he was young). And he just makes plays when they really count. If he goes undefeated until losing to the Pats in the AFC Championship I'm definitely putting money on us to win next year's Super Bowl. 

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I find it so bizarre that after missing the playoffs last year with Ben and Brown, that we could get in this year without either (or Tuitt.)  Just shows how badly Boswell ####ed us over last year with untimely misses.  Him getting back on track this year has been an underrated story line.

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4 minutes ago, Ray McKigney said:

I find it so bizarre that after missing the playoffs last year with Ben and Brown, that we could get in this year without either (or Tuitt.)  Just shows how badly Boswell ####ed us over last year with untimely misses.  Him getting back on track this year has been an underrated story line.

True but the defense this year is 1000% better than last year.  

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32 minutes ago, steelers1080 said:

 

Lastly, the similarities between Duck's string of wins and Big Ben's is eerie. He came in when the starter was knocked out by the Ravens, and proceeds to win all his starts. He runs for key first downs and leads us to scrappy wins with a very solid D in front of him (yes, Ben used to run when he was young). And he just makes plays when they really count. If he goes undefeated until losing to the Pats in the AFC Championship I'm definitely putting money on us to win next year's Super Bowl. 

This is a really good observation and I didn't really think about it until now.   That said as much as I like Duck he is not even close to being another Big Ben.

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3 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

This is a really good observation and I didn't really think about it until now.   That said as much as I like Duck he is not even close to being another Big Ben.

He’s not Ben but the mere fact of him being in there is forcing a conservative game plan.  With this defense, they don’t need the QB to put the team on his back and make risky throws.  

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12 minutes ago, fred_1_15301 said:

He’s not Ben but the mere fact of him being in there is forcing a conservative game plan.  With this defense, they don’t need the QB to put the team on his back and make risky throws.  

True but remember the teams we have beat down the stretch.   Wait till they are playing from behind late in the game against a good defense.  Look I am excited as any Steelers fan right now.  I like Duck a lot but Buffalo will be the first good defense he will play -- let's hope his success continues.

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On 12/10/2019 at 4:24 PM, The_Man said:

As a Ravens fan, I was very impressed with the Buffalo defense, especially watching them back-to-back with the 49ers defense. They're not on that level, primarily because their front 4 isn't as physically gifted, but scheme and discipline wise, they're comparable. And I'm similarly impressed with Pittsburgh's D. 

On the other hand, the Buffalo offense is very weak. I think you can attribute a lot of Allen's recent improvement to his lousy competition. He didn't threaten the Ravens all day - and they kept him in the pocket where he was a sitting duck. I honestly think this Sunday Night game could be something like 13-10, with whichever team avoids turnovers coming out on top. I just don't see how either team scores as many as 20 points.

I watched the Ravens v Bills and I honestly think that the Steelers will knock Allen out of the game. 

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29 minutes ago, Acrobat7 said:

I watched the Ravens v Bills and I honestly think that the Steelers will knock Allen out of the game. 

According to ESPN's NFL matchup, the Ravens blitz far more than any other team - especially on 3rd down, where they bring 5 or more rushers 63% of the time. The Steelers blitz on 3rd down more than only one other team, just 19% of the time. 

The Ravens absolutely destroyed the Bills with their blitz. On 27 plays with 5+ pass rushing, the Bills gained a total of just 8 yards (0.3 YPP) including 4 sacks and 1 turnover.

I wonder if the Steelers will turn up the blitz frequency in this game, because that's what enabled them to do the kind of damage to Allen you saw last week. He just didn't have a prayer when they brought pressure. 

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56 minutes ago, The_Man said:

According to ESPN's NFL matchup, the Ravens blitz far more than any other team - especially on 3rd down, where they bring 5 or more rushers 63% of the time. The Steelers blitz on 3rd down more than only one other team, just 19% of the time. 

The Ravens absolutely destroyed the Bills with their blitz. On 27 plays with 5+ pass rushing, the Bills gained a total of just 8 yards (0.3 YPP) including 4 sacks and 1 turnover.

I wonder if the Steelers will turn up the blitz frequency in this game, because that's what enabled them to do the kind of damage to Allen you saw last week. He just didn't have a prayer when they brought pressure. 

Pats blitzed the #### out of Allen too and were effective.  Have to think the Steelers' coaches have seen both game tapes.

That said, Tomlin rarely deviates from his team's strengths based on specific matchups or what has had success against specific teams.  They "do what [we] do." 

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6 hours ago, Ray McKigney said:

That said, Tomlin rarely deviates from his team's strengths based on specific matchups or what has had success against specific teams.  They "do what [we] do." 

That may have been true in past years, but this year I think the Steelers are doing a great job of game planning for specific opponents.  They played 3 inside LB against BAL early in the year, they ran the wild cat against CIN, they switched some offensive linemen around against the Rams for better matchups, they played mostly zone against ARI last week to limit Kyler's rushing, and there are probably more examples.

Based on the information in the last few posts I would guess the Steelers will blitz way more than typical for them due to the matchup this week.

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11 hours ago, GROOT said:

Troy Polamalu snubbed by NFL Top 100 All-Time Team

https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2019/12/07/troy-polamalu-steelers-nfl-top-100-all-time-team/

thoughts?

These lists are meaningless and subjective so I don't really care.   That said if I were starting a football team and could choose any of them in their prime I would take Polamalu over all of them except Ronnie Lott.

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22 hours ago, Godsbrother said:

This is a really good observation and I didn't really think about it until now.   That said as much as I like Duck he is not even close to being another Big Ben.

Maybe, or he's a rookie who has yet to fully come into his own. You seem to be comparing Duck to veteran Ben, not rookie Ben. Let's compare their stats as a starter. It's a small sample size for Duck since we only have 3 games so far, but it still offers some variance.

Big Ben Rookie Year: 188 Passing Yards per game, 1.15 Pass TD per game, 11 Rush Yards per game, 0.85 Turnovers per game

Duck Hodges: 165 Passing Yards per game, 1 Pass TD per game, 14.7 Rush Yards per game, 0.67 Turnovers per game

Neither QB was a gunslinger. The team operated in a very conservative manner with a strong defense. Duck doesn't have quite as strong an arm as Ben, but I do think that just because he was undrafted compared to a 1st round pick, that doesn't mean that he can't develop into a legit QB who can put up elite passing numbers. Also, keep in mind that Duck has done this with James Washington, Diontae Johnson, and Deon Cain, while Rookie Big Ben had Hines Ward and Plaxico Burress...

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15 minutes ago, steelers1080 said:

Maybe, or he's a rookie who has yet to fully come into his own. You seem to be comparing Duck to veteran Ben, not rookie Ben. Let's compare their stats as a starter. It's a small sample size for Duck since we only have 3 games so far, but it still offers some variance.

Big Ben Rookie Year: 188 Passing Yards per game, 1.15 Pass TD per game, 11 Rush Yards per game, 0.85 Turnovers per game

Duck Hodges: 165 Passing Yards per game, 1 Pass TD per game, 14.7 Rush Yards per game, 0.67 Turnovers per game

Neither QB was a gunslinger. The team operated in a very conservative manner with a strong defense. Duck doesn't have quite as strong an arm as Ben, but I do think that just because he was undrafted compared to a 1st round pick, that doesn't mean that he can't develop into a legit QB who can put up elite passing numbers. Also, keep in mind that Duck has done this with James Washington, Diontae Johnson, and Deon Cain, while Rookie Big Ben had Hines Ward and Plaxico Burress...

As you said, really small sample size for Duck (3 starts) and the defenses he's played haven't been very good.   Ben went 13-0 and beat some pretty darn good teams doing it (Patriots, Eagles,  Ravens,  Jets, Jags).  He also took the team to the conference championship in his rookie year. 

Let's see what Duck does the rest of the season (and hopefully postseason) before we start the comparisons to one of the best rookie QB performances of all time.

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On 12/8/2019 at 9:24 PM, Iceman03 said:

What? @Finatic isn’t coming in here thanking us for the pick today? Weird. Good luck with Justin Herbert and Ryan Fitzpatrick probably starting a dozen games next year guy.

It's more likely to be Swift or Jonathan Taylor with your pick and I'm fine with that for a DB that gets 1-3 tackles a game

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56 minutes ago, Finatic said:

It's more likely to be Swift or Jonathan Taylor with your pick and I'm fine with that for a DB that gets 1-3 tackles a game

What about all the turnovers he’s caused?  Maybe teams are game planning to keep the ball far away from him.  If that’s the case, it’s making the job a lot easier for the rest of the defense.  He’s turned this defense into a damn near elite defense.

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12 hours ago, Finatic said:

It's more likely to be Swift or Jonathan Taylor with your pick and I'm fine with that for a DB that gets 1-3 tackles a game

We're fine with it too.  

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12 hours ago, Finatic said:

It's more likely to be Swift or Jonathan Taylor with your pick and I'm fine with that for a DB that gets 1-3 tackles a game

Yeah, spend mid to later 1st round pick for a RB on a terrible team. That falls in line with all of the other great personnel decisions of the dolphins. They gave away an elite young defensive player. 

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13 hours ago, Finatic said:

It's more likely to be Swift or Jonathan Taylor with your pick and I'm fine with that for a DB that gets 1-3 tackles a game

yeah you are right - because the only defensive stat you should look at it TPG.

do you work for the Dolphins front office by chance?

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3 minutes ago, JoeSteeler said:

yeah you are right - because the only defensive stat you should look at it TPG.

do you work for the Dolphins front office by chance?

I'm guessing the Dolphins front office is a little more competent than that.  Slightly

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So is JuJu out? Can someone with connections with the team ask Tomlin to make Diontae the main man in the offense this weekend? Since this idiot benched Crowder last I could use a big game from him 😉

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On 12/12/2019 at 8:39 AM, Godsbrother said:

As you said, really small sample size for Duck (3 starts) and the defenses he's played haven't been very good.   Ben went 13-0 and beat some pretty darn good teams doing it (Patriots, Eagles,  Ravens,  Jets, Jags).  He also took the team to the conference championship in his rookie year. 

Let's see what Duck does the rest of the season (and hopefully postseason) before we start the comparisons to one of the best rookie QB performances of all time.

That's all fair, it just seemed like people forgot that Ben wasn't a huge passer early in his career. I'm not expecting Duck to have a similar career to Ben (we would be ridiculously lucky if he was 80% as good), just pointing out that his start is very promising. 

I think we have a decent shot against the Bills, and we have to avoid the let down game against a struggling Jets team.

Rumors out of Ravens camp is that if the #1 seed is locked up, RG3 will get the start, not Lamar. Hope they sit Ingram too. And Andrews. And Brown. 

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14 hours ago, Finatic said:

It's more likely to be Swift or Jonathan Taylor with your pick and I'm fine with that for a DB that gets 1-3 tackles a game

1-3 tackles per game? Wait, are we talking about Deion Sanders now?

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On 12/10/2019 at 7:43 AM, Godsbrother said:

Josh Allen is good but not great.  He's been sacked 33 times so I would think the Steelers defense should be able to bring pressure so it really comes down to how well Allen responds to that.   The Bills do have a good rushing game but the Steelers defense has been pretty good against the run. 

I think in some ways the Bills are similar to the Steelers.  I fully expect both teams to play it close to the vest with an occasional shot down the field.   I am thinking this is going to be one of those games where a late turnover could decide the game.

Playing at home on prime time certainly doesn't hurt either.

IMO, if one of the teams gets up by 10+ early, the other team will be in a lot of trouble. It should be a great defensive battle. It likely comes down to which QB turns the ball over on their own side of the field.

If it were neutral ground or in Buffalo, I’d give the slight edge to the Bills. Sunday night in Pittsburgh, I think the Steelers likely come away with a win in a close low scoring game thanks to Allen fumbling or throwing up a ball under pressure that gets picked and gives the Steelers great field position.

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On 12/8/2019 at 9:27 PM, fred_1_15301 said:

It is funny that he was trolling us but honestly he was actually doing it in a pretty civil fashion.  I didn't have a problem with him.  :shrug:   And he's a Dolphins fan so you got to give the poor sap a little bit of a break.

Thanks Fred. I'm not trolling you guys at all. I'm a die-hard Bucco and Pen's fan from Lancaster, PA. I grew up watching the Phins with my Dad in the 70's so I always rooted for them. I just think the Steeler's fan base wants Minka to be Troy 2 and he isn't at the level, that's all.

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7 hours ago, Godsbrother said:

We're fine with it too.  

I agree that depending on what we get with your pick it's a win-win for both teams. I think it's obvious that our teams are heading in different directions.

At least we hired a competent HC finally. Flores looks like a winner for us after years of frustration after Shula.

 

Best of luck to you guys the rest of the year.

 

Fin

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Hope the Steelers don't just let Suggs pass through waivers. It would be super weird if he called their bluff and came into play though.

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2 hours ago, Iceman03 said:

Hope the Steelers don't just let Suggs pass through waivers. It would be super weird if he called their bluff and came into play though.

37 year old with back and hamstring issues?  

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29 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

37 year old with back and hamstring issues?  

Why let him wander back to Baltimore? Sure, he’s on his way out but remember how pissed we all were when Harrison ended up on the Pats... heck, when AB ended up on the Pats?

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So, Samuels arrived last year amid speculation that he'd be a hybrid RB/TE. With Vance iffy, what's the chances we see Samuels getting significant plays at TE? If Conner can go, it takes pressure off the RB position, giving some flexibility.

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I'm excited to see how Duck handles primetime.  The Titans loss today was nice for the Steelers.  

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So we all ripped apart Butler last year but suddenly he looks like a genius (now that he has talent all over the place).  Go figure.   :shrug: 

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