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The ***OFFICIAL*** 2019 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

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On 12/13/2019 at 3:40 PM, Finatic said:

Thanks Fred. I'm not trolling you guys at all. I'm a die-hard Bucco and Pen's fan from Lancaster, PA. I grew up watching the Phins with my Dad in the 70's so I always rooted for them. I just think the Steeler's fan base wants Minka to be Troy 2 and he isn't at the level, that's all.

You should punch your dad in the face for that. 

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4 hours ago, fred_1_15301 said:

I'm excited to see how Duck handles primetime.  The Titans loss today was nice for the Steelers.  

if the Steelers win tonight are they in?

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8 minutes ago, JoeSteeler said:

if the Steelers win tonight are they in?

I don't think so but their probability will probably be > 90%

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23 minutes ago, JoeSteeler said:

if the Steelers win tonight are they in?

If we lose tonight, we just have to beat the Jets next week and hope that the Titans lose to the Saints or the Texans in the last 2 weeks.  Thus, even with a loss tonight, I think our chances are decent (unless we lay an egg next week).  

 

ETA - With a win tonight, we could lay an egg against the Jets and still be in as long as the Titans lose one of their last 2 games.

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Duck Hodges sucks. 

Two GD red zone turnovers. Back breaking. 

 

Two for the team, I should say,  not for Duck. But he still stinks. 

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Still a good shot to make the playoffs but there is no way this team is going anywhere.  The combo of duck/Mason makes Trent Dilpher look like Joe Montana.

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3 minutes ago, fred_1_15301 said:

Still a good shot to make the playoffs but there is no way this team is going anywhere.  The combo of duck/Mason makes Trent Dilpher look like Joe Montana.

no way anyone seriously thought they could go far in the playoffs if they made it

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20 minutes ago, JoeSteeler said:

no way anyone seriously thought they could go far in the playoffs if they made it

Exactly.  As I've been saying for weeks, Hodges isn't a good QB.  He's just better than Mason Rudolph.  Low bar.  They still may well make one of the WC spots, but it'll be a quick exit.

Duck ran into his first legit defense tonight, and performed about how I expected.  What I didn't expect was the lack off blitz on certain downs/situations that allowed the Bills to capitalize more than they should have.  4th and 7 against a QB with accuracy/progression read issues and you don't blitz?  Wasn't the only time in the game they eschewed rushing Allen with at least 5 in obvious passing situations and paid for it.

Anyway, on to the Jets.

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1 hour ago, JoeSteeler said:

no way anyone seriously thought they could go far in the playoffs if they made it

No but the whole point is to make it there and we still have a shot 

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1 hour ago, JoeSteeler said:

no way anyone seriously thought they could go far in the playoffs if they made it

Trent Dilfer wasn’t on the Ravens roster to start the season. They need that kind of competence for the offense. It’s time to give Paxton Lynch a chance or bring in some other vet off the street. Rudolph or Hodges can’t get them there but someone, anyone that offers any sort of offensive upside can be enough for the defense to thrive. Unlikely, yes but this D is incredible and we aren’t appreciating it enough because the offense has been beyond abysmal.

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It’s not pretty but we should maybe be kicking the tires here on one of these guys:

Sam Bradford

Matt Cassel

Jay Cutler

EJ Manual

Brock Osweiler

Long shot:

Johnny Manziel

Colin Kaepernick

I’m tired of hearing Rudolph or Hodges are “enough”. They’re not. They’ve barely scored offensively this last six or so weeks. That position needs any sort of TD threat.

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1 minute ago, Endowed said:

Damn fine idea Iceman.

What vet and team could have a "mutual parting of the ways" and be useful?

Well Ryan Fitzpatrick would have been perfect to trade for at one point but that’s done now. I just don’t see anyone significant getting cut this late. Josh McCown and Andy Dalton would have been useful too. They just need anyone to provide an offensive spark. This defense has shown they can handle turnovers from the offense but they need to be getting TD’s to balance that out.

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I was looking more at QBs that teams might not want to pay next year. Thus release. 

Like a Tyrod Taylor. Brian Hoyer. Matt Schaub. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Copeman said:

What happened?  i thought the Duck was going to take us to the promised land?

:rolleyes:

I don't fault fans for getting excited but the comparisons to Ben were silly.   This team will go as far as the defense can take them which isn't very BUT they're still in the hunt. Unfortunately they'll likely have to win out, on the road, to make the playoffs.

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39 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

I don't fault fans for getting excited but the comparisons to Ben were silly.   This team will go as far as the defense can take them which isn't very BUT they're still in the hunt. Unfortunately they'll likely have to win out, on the road, to make the playoffs.

That’s not true.  Win against the Jets or Ravens and just need Titans to lose against either the Saints or Texans.  Steelers are very much the favorite to get the 6 seed unless they lay a clunker next week.  With that said, I’m not completely confident in any game at this point.

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8 hours ago, Godsbrother said:

I don’t hate the Duck but I think it’s time we stop the comparisons to Ben 

Yup. The magic bubble has burst. He has this tendency to spin away when throwing under pressure, and not get any zip on the ball because he's not stepping into it. That and poor decision making resulted in the interceptions.

Although, I don't really care about the first interception because it basically equaled a punt. The pick, defensive stop, and another pick was just heartbreaking. Also, Diontae has a bad habit of giving up on plays. The ball thrown behind him that was picked, he barely reached back for it and let White get it easy. I think that Washington would have fought to break up that pass. Hopefully Johnson puts more effort in moving forward, and finds a way to stop fumbling every other catch. 

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2 hours ago, OldMilwaukee said:

:towelwave:

They barely beat a 3rd string QB, my initial read still stands. They lose to the Pats this coming game and then lose in their first playoff game. 

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12 minutes ago, fred_1_15301 said:

That’s not true.  Win against the Jets or Ravens and just need Titans to lose against either the Saints or Texans.  Steelers are very much the favorite to get the 6 seed unless they lay a clunker next week.  With that said, I’m not completely confident in any game at this point.

Not true, if we only beat the Jets, we need the Titans to lose to the Saints AND Texans (according to ESPN Playoff Machine). But, if we win out, we're in. So let's just do that. 

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One thing is for sure.  When Ben comes back next year, who knows how good he will be, going into the final stages of his career after a surgery that required him to miss a year.  I do not think his two backups are the answer.  If he gets hurt again, they need someone who can win games with their arm.  There are a few QB's out there that I would want to do that over the two guys we have now.

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13 minutes ago, fred_1_15301 said:

That’s not true.  Win against the Jets or Ravens and just need Titans to lose against either the Saints or Texans.  Steelers are very much the favorite to get the 6 seed unless they lay a clunker next week.  With that said, I’m not completely confident in any game at this point.

According to ESPN's playoff machine we need the Titans to lose against the Texans, otherwise we need to win out.  If the Steelers go 9-7 and the Titans lose this week against the Saints but win the Texans game we will lose the tie breaker and miss the playoffs.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Copeman said:

One thing is for sure.  When Ben comes back next year, who knows how good he will be, going into the final stages of his career after a surgery that required him to miss a year.  I do not think his two backups are the answer.  If he gets hurt again, they need someone who can win games with their arm.  There are a few QB's out there that I would want to do that over the two guys we have now.

I don't either but both are very young and I think okay if you need a start here or there.   Very few teams have a backup QB that can adequately fill in for the starter long term  The question for this team is can Ben come back and be as good as he was before the surgery.

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10 minutes ago, Copeman said:

One thing is for sure.  When Ben comes back next year, who knows how good he will be, going into the final stages of his career after a surgery that required him to miss a year.  I do not think his two backups are the answer.  If he gets hurt again, they need someone who can win games with their arm.  There are a few QB's out there that I would want to do that over the two guys we have now.

I plan on playing again,” Roethlisberger said. “That’s my absolute goal.

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“I want to go out on my own terms. No one wants to leave on an injury they can’t control.”

Roethlisberger wouldn’t discuss the specifics of his surgery, performed by Dr. Neal ElAttrache, a Mount Pleasant native and close friend of Steelers orthopedic surgeon Dr. Jim Bradley. “That’s the one thing I don’t think I can tell you at this point.” But Roethlisberger did say he is planning on being back at 100 percent for the team’s OTAs in May, minicamp in June and the start of training camp in July. That means he didn’t have dreaded Tommy John surgery, which normally takes a year or more for full recovery.

“It’s going to be up to the doctors and how [the elbow] responds,” Roethlisberger said. “But I’m very optimistic.”

...The elbow injury was the first major injury of Roethlisberger’s Hall of Fame-caliber career. There never is a good time for a player to get hurt, but the timing for him early this season seemed especially rough.

 

Ben 'should'  be back but he will be 38 and will be coming off his first major injury.

Not looking like Mason or the Duck are projecting to take over and no 1st round pick since 1968.

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11 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

According to ESPN's playoff machine we need the Titans to lose against the Texans, otherwise we need to win out.  If the Steelers go 9-7 and the Titans lose this week against the Saints but win the Texans game we will lose the tie breaker and miss the playoffs.

 

 

Ugh I thought we had the tiebreaker.  Guess not.

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1 minute ago, fred_1_15301 said:

Ugh I thought we had the tiebreaker.  Guess not.

The good news is the Steelers still control their own destiny.  If they win out then it doesn't matter what the Titans or Texans do.   

Last night's loss was a tough one though.  It was a very winnable game too.

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A few plays that really struck me as very poor calls by the OC.

Connor ran the wildcat for the first time in practice last week.  So  they put him in at the 10 yd line to run it ???   

Less than 2 minutes left in the 3rd, up 10-7 , first down at the Buffalo 43.   They pass on first down and its about a 15 -18 yard out route which requires a lot of arm strength which Hodges doesn't have and it's a very easy int for Buffalo.  

The next series Hodges threw three straight passes - all incomplete.

 

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, moondog said:

A few plays that really struck me as very poor calls by the OC.

Connor ran the wildcat for the first time in practice last week.  So  they put him in at the 10 yd line to run it ???   

Less than 2 minutes left in the 3rd, up 10-7 , first down at the Buffalo 43.   They pass on first down and its about a 15 -18 yard out route which requires a lot of arm strength which Hodges doesn't have and it's a very easy int for Buffalo.  

The next series Hodges threw three straight passes - all incomplete.

 

 

 

 

 

This one I definitely agree with (being a poor decision)

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Ben looks like he is about 295 pounds right now and has not thrown a football yet.  I would be hedging bets.

Either way the D is good enough to win almost any game.  We only need a bit more offensive punch - something like a good TE and FB and an RB that can stay healthy.  You are not going to be able to get everything.

Washington gets open and is improving - Diontae is good but still playing in college mode.  He needs to protect the ball better and finish plays.

 

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Not a great game, to be sure.

And I don't think any rational fan thought this team was going to make any noise in the playoffs.  The plan, all along, is to hopefully make the playoffs, give young players some good experience, and build on it next year.  

That said, I thought the OC lost this game for us.  We could have won.  Still have a decent shot with the Jets and Ravens (if they're resting).

And the Titans have two very tough games left.

 

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1 hour ago, fred_1_15301 said:

Ugh I thought we had the tiebreaker.  Guess not.

Titans can beat the Saints and lose to the Texans and we would beat them on tiebreakers if we finish 1-1

If they lose to the Saints, but beat the Texans, they win the tiebreaker if we finish 1-1

 

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2 minutes ago, 5-ish Finkle said:

Yeah, the gadget crap needs to stop regardless of personnel.  They aren't good at it.  Has that worked this year a single time?

 

They crushed the Bengals with it in week 3.  I'm not saying they should stick with it or anything, just saying that it did work earlier in the year.

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6 minutes ago, Steeler said:

They crushed the Bengals with it in week 3.  I'm not saying they should stick with it or anything, just saying that it did work earlier in the year.

I think you and I could have crushed this current Bengals team running the WC.  Without the other 9 players.  :)

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52 minutes ago, Idiot Boxer said:

Not a great game, to be sure.

And I don't think any rational fan thought this team was going to make any noise in the playoffs.  The plan, all along, is to hopefully make the playoffs, give young players some good experience, and build on it next year.  

That said, I thought the OC lost this game for us.  We could have won.  Still have a decent shot with the Jets and Ravens (if they're resting).

And the Titans have two very tough games left.

 

Agreed 100%.

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On 12/10/2019 at 10:24 AM, The_Man said:

As a Ravens fan, I was very impressed with the Buffalo defense, especially watching them back-to-back with the 49ers defense. They're not on that level, primarily because their front 4 isn't as physically gifted, but scheme and discipline wise, they're comparable. And I'm similarly impressed with Pittsburgh's D. 

On the other hand, the Buffalo offense is very weak. I think you can attribute a lot of Allen's recent improvement to his lousy competition. He didn't threaten the Ravens all day - and they kept him in the pocket where he was a sitting duck. I honestly think this Sunday Night game could be something like 13-10, with whichever team avoids turnovers coming out on top. I just don't see how either team scores as many as 20 points.

I thought this was a tough matchup for the Steelers, just because I believed in Buffalo's ability to shut the Steelers' offense down and eke out a win without scoring much.

On the other hand, I feel like the Chiefs could actually be a decent matchup for Pittsburgh. The Steelers D is so good that it could hold KC to 24 points or fewer, and I think they'd actually have a chance to score close to that much vs the Chiefs' mediocre D. 

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The Steelers seem to have forgotten that plays 10-20 yards in distance exist. They either throw a deep ball (which I usually appreciate) or they dump off 10 yards or less (like 80% of the time). Every defense we face knows this, so they've stopped bothering with covering deep and they just sit on the routes, if they would just come out and throw 2-4 passes in the intermediate length right off the bat that could really open up the running game by forcing players back, and could open up the short passing game by keeping the D honest. 

Fichtner is not a good OC and they need to move on, I just doubt they do after the season, even though the Steelers are DEAD LAST in the Red Zone. 

With this D, if we just had a pretty good O, we'd be dominating. 

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31 minutes ago, The_Man said:

I thought this was a tough matchup for the Steelers, just because I believed in Buffalo's ability to shut the Steelers' offense down and eke out a win without scoring much.

On the other hand, I feel like the Chiefs could actually be a decent matchup for Pittsburgh. The Steelers D is so good that it could hold KC to 24 points or fewer, and I think they'd actually have a chance to score close to that much vs the Chiefs' mediocre D. 

The Chiefs D has actually been playing very well for over a month now.  You may say it’s the competition they’ve faced but this Steelers offense would classify as some pretty easy competition.  Steelers would need to hold them to 10 or less which is not realistic.  I hate that matchup.  Would rather face the Pats. But I’ll take a playoff game.

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18 hours ago, Ray McKigney said:

You should punch your dad in the face for that. 

Classy :no:

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So I think - if Pittsburgh beats the jets.  As long as Tennessee lose to Houston again week 17 Pittsburgh is in

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50 minutes ago, belljr said:

So I think - if Pittsburgh beats the jets.  As long as Tennessee lose to Houston again week 17 Pittsburgh is in

Yes this is true.  If we win out we're in, if we beat the Jets but lose to the Ravens then we'll need Tennessee to lose to Houston.  The good news is that game will be in Houston and depending on what the Chiefs do next week the #3 seed could be at stake. 

As weird as it seems the Steelers could still make it even if we lose out, provided the Titans lose out as well and the Colts lose any of their remaining games.  

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Steelers waive Tevin Jones, promote Amara Darboh from practice squad. I liked his talent coming out in 2017, and he was a 3rd round pick by the Seahawks. There's talent there, but will the Steelers be able to harness it?

A lineup of James Washington, Diontae Johnson, Deon Cain, and Amara Darboh is pretty great if this was a college team, hopefully they can somehow mesh and become NFL playmakers while Juju remains hurt. 

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4 hours ago, Finatic said:

Classy :no:

It was a joke, man. You were raised in Steelers Country and were condemned to become a Dolphins fan. I didn't actually mean you should punch your father. 

 

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