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The ***OFFICIAL*** 2019 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread

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1 minute ago, apalmer said:

I heard a blurb on the radio that Rudolph says Ben's elbow was sore after the NE game. Might have started there and popped it when he tried to throw hard on Sunday.

Interesting in that we traded Dobbs after the Patriots game

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2 minutes ago, Idiot Boxer said:

Interesting in that we traded Dobbs after the Patriots game

Yeah, the one time Ben DOESN'T play drama queen with an injury is the one time the Steelers act on him being "OK".

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Just now, JoeSteeler said:

Dobbs is terrible, I am glad they traded him regardless

:goodposting: 

Instead of the pass bouncing off the hands of Dante Concrete and being intercepted, a Dobbs pass would have bounced at his feet masking the fact that Moncrief stinks.

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Big Ben out for season but Conner says he's OK https://es.pn/2ZYiLM2
via @ESPN App http://espn.com/app

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Later Monday, Roethlisberger said in a statement that the news was "shocking and heartbreaking" and that he feels "like I am letting down so many people." The quarterback said he plans to return to play next season.

"The Steelers committed three years to me this offseason and I fully intend to honor my contract and reward them with championship-level play. I will do all I can to support Mason (Rudolph) and the team this season to help win games. I love this game, my teammates, the Steelers organization and fans, and I feel in my heart I have a lot left to give," he said."

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Redskins, Cowboys, Chiefs, Steelers, Eagles, and Seahawks as teams buzzing on Minkah Fitzpatrick.

He is expecting to be traded by Thursday.

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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter

TRADE: Steelers are trading a 2020 first-round pick to the Dolphins for DB Minkah Fitzpatrick, league sources tell ESPN.

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1 minute ago, Penguin said:

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter

TRADE: Steelers are trading a 2020 first-round pick to the Dolphins for DB Minkah Fitzpatrick, league sources tell ESPN.

Boy, I sure hope they’re right. If this team takes a crap with Ben’s injury that’s a high price to pay.

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1 minute ago, Penguin said:

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter

TRADE: Steelers are trading a 2020 first-round pick to the Dolphins for DB Minkah Fitzpatrick, league sources tell ESPN.

Would have hated this move for a 2nd. What are they doing. 

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4 minutes ago, steeler6 said:

Would have hated this move for a 2nd. What are they doing. 

Agreed. With the way their season is going and how bad the offense has been, there's a real chance that's going to be a high pick (and Fitzpatrick isn't worth it IMO).

But man, the Dolphins are taking this tanking thing to a whole new level. They'd better hit on every single one of those picks they are stocking.

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13 minutes ago, Iceman03 said:

Boy, I sure hope they’re right. If this team takes a crap with Ben’s injury that’s a high price to pay.

Agreed.  A week ago I would have been okay with it but if this season goes down the pooper we could be talking a top 5 pick

 

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Well the good news is that it helps out their secondary which still is pretty bad.  But like people have said, if Rudolph also stinks and the Steelers have a bad year you have wasted any chance of drafting a QB in one of the better classes projected.   It really is all based on healthy Ben will be next year.  That is the gamble that has gotten them into this particular mess now

 

 

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1 minute ago, PennStater77 said:

Only positive is Steelers drafting has been pretty par last few years. 

They must really feel Ben will be back. 

Agreed.  They must think Ben will be back to full strength next year.  Fitzpatrick was the 11th overall pick in 2018 so he will be on his rookie deal until 2022 - or the same time frame as Ben's deal - I believe.  Only issue is if the Steelers totally tank this season and their first this year is much higher than pick 11.  

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Just now, hammerva said:

if Rudolph also stinks and the Steelers have a bad year you have wasted any chance of drafting a QB in one of the better classes projected.

The biggest possible downside of this trade.... let's hope it doesn't happen.

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Well that was exciting. 

Booger, “those are the plays the Browns want!”

uh, yeah Boog, those are the plays that literally every team from peewee league through the pros want.

thanks for the insight, numb nuts. 

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Just now, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Well that was exciting. 

Booger, “those are the plays the Browns want!”

uh, yeah Boog, those are the plays that literally every team from peewee league through the pros want.

thanks for the insight, numb nuts. 

Are you sure?  Mike Zimmer, Tom Coughlin, et. al. come to mind as coaches who might prefer a 15-play drive to one 89-yard TD strike...

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Just now, Arodin said:

Are you sure?  Mike Zimmer, Tom Coughlin, et. al. come to mind as coaches who might prefer a 15-play drive to one 89-yard TD strike...

They’d still be plenty happy to accidentally get an 89 yard TD. 

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1 minute ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

They’d still be plenty happy to accidentally get an 89 yard TD. 

I'm not sure Coughlin is capable of experiencing happiness.  Zimmer, you're probably right though.

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Just now, Steeler said:

Uh, are you guys in the wrong thread? :lol: 

just doing our best Chad Kelly impression.

We'll be going now...

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Wow Pitt deals their future 1st after losing Big Ben that seems crazy.

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1 minute ago, Arodin said:

I'm not sure Coughlin is capable of experiencing happiness.  Zimmer, you're probably right though.

He just has resting angry face.

plus you just know Archie Manning was in his ear on speed dial after every game.

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2 minutes ago, Steeler said:

Uh, are you guys in the wrong thread? :lol: 

We’re paying attention in the unlikely event a football game breaks out. 

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Just now, Drunken Cowboy said:

This trade says a lot about their faith in Rudolph. 

Perhaps, but Miami is probably thinking the same thing that they have 1st pick from an 0-2 team that is without it's QB and top WR from last season.

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13 minutes ago, Steeler said:

Agreed.  They must think Ben will be back to full strength next year.  Fitzpatrick was the 11th overall pick in 2018 so he will be on his rookie deal until 2022 - or the same time frame as Ben's deal - I believe.  Only issue is if the Steelers totally tank this season and their first this year is much higher than pick 11.  

It's a good trade for Miami. They are gambling on Pittsburgh having a rough season.

If Pittsburgh is able to turn this around, their defense gets a big upgrade in the secondary.

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1 minute ago, cubd8 said:

Perhaps, but Miami is probably thinking the same thing that they have 1st pick from an 0-2 team that is without it's QB and top WR from last season.

Ok... I’m not the biggest fan of the trade but I’ll take Pittsburgh’s analysis of where their team stands in the big picture vs Miami’s evaluation of QB’s the last two decades. Just saying.

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2 minutes ago, Drunken Cowboy said:

This trade says a lot about their faith in Rudolph. 

Crazy idea - what if Rudolph is awesome and the Steelers decide he is the future.  The Steelers trade Ben in the off season.  I doubt they would do that to Ben, but it's a thought I had.

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I’d have loved this deal for a second, even now.  Minkah is proven and still on his rookie deal. For a first, it’s a little much but can still work out.  Plus the Steelers have proven themselves terrible at actually drafting DBs so why not grab one that’s proven in a trade

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Felt like one of those was way overdue from all the tipped passes 

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I like that trade for both PIT & the fish.

Big Ben probably plays next year, PIT secondary gets a huge upgrade.  

Miami gets a top 15 draft pick, probably. 

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1 minute ago, Idiot Boxer said:

I’d have loved this deal for a second, even now.  Minkah is proven and still on his rookie deal. For a first, it’s a little much but can still work out.  Plus the Steelers have proven themselves terrible at actually drafting DBs so why not grab one that’s proven in a trade

Agreed with the bolded.  They get a proven DB who will be on his rookie deal for the same length as Ben's deal.  Seems like a decent investment to me.  If the Steelers end up with the 11th overall pick or higher, it will be a good trade IMO.

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10 minutes ago, Drunken Cowboy said:

This trade says a lot about their faith in Rudolph. 

It may be but as of right now it says "we really can't go on without Ben" to me right now

 

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Not crazy about the trade, given circumstances, but saw one insider (might have been Rappaport?  Don't remember) cited on CBSsports.com who said the following:

"It's also possible the Steelers had a strong evaluation on Fitzpatrick and viewed him as a top-10 pick when he came out of Alabama. If that's the case, they are probably willing to give up a potentially high pick to secure a blue-chip defensive player. "

Since I have to assume this trade is Colbert's call, I suppose it could be as simple as that.  Who knows if it's true, but it would at least make some sense.  I probably don't agree with it if true, but I can see their logic if it was.

It's not like Colbert has been on the hot seat, or anything, so he has no reason to make some kind of splash  move just to be able to point at it to say "SEE, I'MMA FIX THIS SECONDARY!"  It's also possible, as already mentioned, that Colbert reeeally, reeaaally thinks Rudolph can win them games.  Who knows.

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3 minutes ago, Steeler said:

Crazy idea - what if Rudolph is awesome and the Steelers decide he is the future.  The Steelers trade Ben in the off season.  I doubt they would do that to Ben, but it's a thought I had.

What is Ben's contract after this season? I know he just signed an extension recently.

What is his age going into next season? 

It would be interesting if a team is willing to take on a very large contract for a QB in his mid 30's who hasn't played in a season. I'm sure there's going to be somebody if Rudolph does have a great year. Off the top of my head, knowing things will change -> TB, CHI, WAS in the NFC could all have interest. I'm assuming they would want to move him to a NFC team as the first option.

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I never felt like Miami used Minkah correctly.

If the Steelers settle him into one position, he can be an anchor for their much maligned secondary.

This assumes, of course, that they acquire a defensive coach capable of scheming a secondary in the first place, which needs to be the next thing we trade a 1st for...

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2 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I like that trade for both PIT & the fish.

Big Ben probably plays next year, PIT secondary gets a huge upgrade.  

Miami gets a top 15 draft pick, probably. 

This is a reasonable assumption.

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1 minute ago, 5-ish Finkle said:

Not crazy about the trade, given circumstances, but saw one insider (might have been Rappaport?  Don't remember) cited on CBSsports.com who said the following:

"It's also possible the Steelers had a strong evaluation on Fitzpatrick and viewed him as a top-10 pick when he came out of Alabama. If that's the case, they are probably willing to give up a potentially high pick to secure a blue-chip defensive player. "

Since I have to assume this trade is Colbert's call, I suppose it could be as simple as that.  Who knows if it's true, but it would at least make some sense.  I probably don't agree with it if true, but I can see their logic if it was.

It's not like Colbert has been on the hot seat, or anything, so he has no reason to make some kind of splash  move just to be able to point at it to say "SEE, I'MMA FIX THIS SECONDARY!"  It's also possible, as already mentioned, that Colbert reeeally, reeaaally thinks Rudolph can win them games.  Who knows.

Where else does Pittsburgh need help at? Assuming, worst case (or best case), they were to get the #8 pick in next year's NFL draft. It's too early too know names, but what other position(s) would they have been looking at had they kept the pick and drafted in the top 10?

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1 minute ago, cubd8 said:

Where else does Pittsburgh need help at? Assuming, worst case (or best case), they were to get the #8 pick in next year's NFL draft. It's too early too know names, but what other position(s) would they have been looking at had they kept the pick and drafted in the top 10?

The downside is that if Rudolph sucks then the Steelers would miss the opportunity to pick a QB in the top 10.  

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2 minutes ago, Steeler said:

The downside is that if Rudolph sucks then the Steelers would miss the opportunity to pick a QB in the top 10.  

True, but chances are they would have to move into (or be there already) the top 3 to get a top QB.

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The 2020 class is too strong to give up a 1st for a non-stud player...especially after losing your starting QB for the season.  Guessing the Steelers fan base will prefer the rookie they would have selected vs having Fitzpatrick when their pick in on the clock for the Phins.

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Hate this deal for Pitt.  I think this is a top 5-8 pick next year, and you can get a CB as good as that with that pick. 

Yes this means they have faith Ben will be back next year.... but with Ben back next year that also means they won't be a bottom team with a high pick.

Ben doesn't have too many years left... 2020 was probably the best chance this team had to draft their next franchise QB in the next 5 years.

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Pittsburgh was 9-6-1 with Big Ben last year. They'll be favored in the Miami game, both Bengal games maybe, @ ARI , maybe not, and @Jets. They play both LA teams, and Baltimore and Cleveland twice. Probably  a top 10 pick in 2020 to Miami.

Fitzpatrick excelled at slot coverage and did well at outside corner and safety. He's lived up to his 11th overall draft position. But 2020 is the year of the QB. 

 

 

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So the Steelers should have:

2nd 

3rd (Lev Bell comp pick hopefully)

4th (from Miami)

4th

5th (unsure of where the 2nd 5th came from)

6th 

7th

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This is incredibly risky from the Steelers, who FPI projects to finish with the eighth overall pick in the draft after losing Roethlisberger for the season. Might cost them a shot at drafting their quarterback of the future, even if Fitzpatrick plays well.

 

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