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1 minute ago, Iceman03 said:

So the full terms are Dolphins give  Minkah, 2020 4th, 2021 7th

Steelers give 2020 1st, 2020 5th and 2021 6th

That would be 1st pick of the 4th round. Almost a 3rd rounder.

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4 minutes ago, Faust said:

 

 

In a vacuum sure, but they have evaluated Rudolph.  There is still a ton of talent on this team.   ( sans the coach! :lol: )

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On 9/14/2019 at 3:27 PM, BigSteelThrill said:

If they can let go of a 2nd and a non-critical player to do Minkah, I'd do cartwheels.

Had to pay the first -- which was expected. 

Really freakin' happy. :pickle::pickle::pickle:

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36 minutes ago, Faust said:

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This is incredibly risky from the Steelers, who FPI projects to finish with the eighth overall pick in the draft after losing Roethlisberger for the season. Might cost them a shot at drafting their quarterback of the future, even if Fitzpatrick plays well.

Wow!  I am stunned.  I luv Minka, thought he had a shot to play the perimeter but... ah.  I'm stunned at the timing.  

Does it mean Haden is done or?  

I thought Steeler fans were premature in shoveling dirt on the team but to make this move at this time it must mean they think Rudolph can take them to the post season but it is odd timing.

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Where is Miami going to find a team that has been rendered toothless on offense by losing their Pro Bowl RB to FA, trading their Pro Bowl WR away, and have lost a HoF level QB and are willing to trade their 1st Round pick in 2020? 

-Enter the Pittsburgh Steelers

I have nothing but respect for the Steelers, their rich history and their titles. That said, I have never been a fan of Mike Tomlin, and their run of late(decisions) is definitely up for debate. I respect their strong will to not bend to players and do it their way. Quite frankly, it's foolish to think they don't somehow fleece the Phins in this because Miami does not deserve even a minor amount of respect for what they have done under the ownership of Stephen Ross, you can go back further but let's just keep it to him over the last decade plus.  

Miami's 4th round pick is really a 3rd or whatever the NFL grants teams when players they draft walk in free agency. It's a top 100 pick. 

So really Pittsburgh is moving a 1st for Fitz but they are getting almost a 3rd in return, Miami didn't get a 3rd thrown in from Roger Goodell when they took Fitzpatrick so the Steelers are getting something in return to ease the investment at a position that quite frankly they need a lot of help so this is going to pay big dividends for them. 

The reality though is that Pittsburgh is likely to lose a lot of games without Big Ben and with the losses of other key offensive players, this could be a top 5 pick, can't see it being worse than about 12th which is still a huge swing when you are dealing in the draft. 

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Just now, BigSteelThrill said:

They just gave him a 2 year extension.

So what the heck.  I mean they aren't going to try and use Minka as a corner.  They are going to use him as a FS?  I honestly felt he could play outside when he got drafted.  

The timing of the Ben injury, it doesn't make sense unless Corbett thinks they can make a playoff run with Rudolph.  I haven't looked at your schedule but the stats are brutal for teams beginning 0-2 and even if they are confident in Rudolph it seems like a large wager to make especially if that 1st rounder turns into a top-ten pick.

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2 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

I have nothing but respect for the Steelers

Their front office kicks butt.  They draft incredibly well and I thought the move-up for Bush this year was brilliant but this move is a bit puzzling IMHO and I like Minka.  

You would know much more about his ability.  I'm sure he can play the slot but do you think he can play outside?

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Fitzpatrick will want to play the Slot Corner or Nickel Back if he can help it...that was why he requested a trade out of Miami. His big beef was that Miami was game planning him at all the positions and he was most comfortable with what he did his rookie year which is slot DB covering the slot WR. That is typically a big time WR in most 3 WR set offenses like LARams as an example. I do not see him playing a lot of Safety, also he isn't really built like say the kid in Oakland, rookie named Abrams I think? He's not like that guy at all. He isn't going to be Troy Polamalu II or Ed Reed from the Ravens, that's not who he is IMO. 

He is really good at what he does and most defenses roll 5 DBs almost all the time now or for large chunks of the game so he doesn't just stroll out on 3rd and long and then hop back over to the sidelines. I think he will help the Steelers a lot but I don't know if he can help them go from 4 wins to 8+ wins but we will see. 

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5 minutes ago, Bracie Smathers said:

Their front office kicks butt.  They draft incredibly well and I thought the move-up for Bush this year was brilliant but this move is a bit puzzling IMHO and I like Minka.  

You would know much more about his ability.  I'm sure he can play the slot but do you think he can play outside?

Yep, i was just posting that. I think he will be a huge shot in the arm for the defense but...the Steelers just lost Big Ben after watching AB exit and after well you know...it just boggles my mind when teams might see what Miami is doing and join the party. Pittsburgh had a different approach then say the 2012 Colts did once Manning was leaving town. 

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Steelers' move for Minkah Fitzpatrick bold, calculated -- and a bit desperate

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On the surface, the Pittsburgh Steelers’ decision to deal a first-round pick to the Miami Dolphins for safety Minkah Fitzpatrick reeks of desperation. They are 0-2, just lost their franchise quarterback for the year and see the Super Bowl window closing fast. 

Just now, Ministry of Pain said:

Fitzpatrick will want to play the Slot Corner or Nickel Back if he can help it...that was why he requested a trade out of Miami. His big beef was that Miami was game planning him at all the positions and he was most comfortable with what he did his rookie year which is slot DB covering the slot WR. That is typically a big time WR in most 3 WR set offenses like LARams as an example. I do not see him playing a lot of Safety, also he isn't really built like say the kid in Oakland, rookie named Abrams I think? He's not like that guy at all. He isn't going to be Troy Polamalu II or Ed Reed from the Ravens, that's not who he is IMO. 

He is really good at what he does and most defenses roll 5 DBs almost all the time now or for large chunks of the game so he doesn't just stroll out on 3rd and long and then hop back over to the sidelines. I think he will help the Steelers a lot but I don't know if he can help them go from 4 wins to 8+ wins but we will see. 

It 'could turn' into a top-ten pick and that is a lot to play a slot corner.  I know he can play that but if it turns into a top-ten pick then they will overpay.

The Phins have to turn those picks.

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8 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

...that was why he requested a trade out of Miami.

I heard players were questioning the in-game play calling.  Thought they were determined to "lose".  Minkah wanted no part of that scenario after the first game and up until then he been okay with the acquisition of picks for players.

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3 minutes ago, Bracie Smathers said:

Steelers' move for Minkah Fitzpatrick bold, calculated -- and a bit desperate

It 'could turn' into a top-ten pick and that is a lot to play a slot corner.  I know he can play that but if it turns into a top-ten pick then they will overpay.

The Phins have to turn those picks.

Hey Bracie, I've seen this mentioned a few times now..."they have to hit on the picks". I'm not sure I understand why that is brought up a lot. If they swing and miss like they have done for the last 20 years, they just won't improve which is hard to imagine right now.

I will say this as I was thinking about the cost Miami is paying...could they have kept their best players like Fitzpatrick and still lost a bunch of games, gone 3-13 and been in the hunt for maybe 1 of say 3-4 really strong QB prospects this year? Miami seems to be overpaying to get the number one spot and sad to say but at the moment they are being challenged by a couple other teams that seem like they might never win a game this season. 

Miami is $113 Million under the cap right now going into 2019/2020 off season...people are overlooking how much money they will be forced to spend in this off season and even the one in 2021, it's going to take them a while to spend within 80-90% of the cap over a 3 year period, carry the 7, oh I get a headache figuring this out but Miami has a ton of cash to spend the next 2-3 years, there are no contracts to weigh them down moving forward. Whenever they decide to try and move forward of course.   

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9 minutes ago, BigSteelThrill said:

I heard players were questioning the in-game play calling.  Thought they were determined to "lose".  Minkah wanted no part of that scenario after the first game and up until then he been okay with the acquisition of picks for players.

You are hitting right on the head, the smoking gun that Miami is tanking in ways that could actually be illegal but Im not sure...if you purposely put together a game plan designed to fail, that's kind of like throwing the game which puts a lot of stress on Vegas and the gambling community...but it's been obvious to casual observers what the Phins have been doing. 

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3 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Hey Bracie, I've seen this mentioned a few times now..."they have to hit on the picks". I'm not sure I understand why that is brought up a lot. If they swing and miss like they have done for the last 20 years, they just won't improve which is hard to imagine right now.

I will say this as I was thinking about the cost Miami is paying...could they have kept their best players like Fitzpatrick and still lost a bunch of games, gone 3-13 and been in the hunt for maybe 1 of say 3-4 really strong QB prospects this year? Miami seems to be overpaying to get the number one spot and sad to say but at the moment they are being challenged by a couple other teams that seem like they might never win a game this season. 

Miami is $113 Million under the cap right now going into 2019/2020 off season...people are overlooking how much money they will be forced to spend in this off season and even the one in 2021, it's going to take them a while to spend within 80-90% of the cap over a 3 year period, carry the 7, oh I get a headache figuring this out but Miami has a ton of cash to spend the next 2-3 years, there are no contracts to weigh them down moving forward. Whenever they decide to try and move forward of course.   

Miami has the location/weather, no state taxes, FAs should be flocking to the Dolphins.  

I never liked Tannenhill and I hate Devante Parker and I hate the Tunsil trade.  Minka is only 22.  

If they get the QB then they can start the rebuild.  They have a boat load of draft ammo.  If they had a Dorsey-type of GM they could turn it around PTQ but I don't want to muddy the Steeler thread but jeesh, this move is out of character for the Steelers.  If it turns into a top-ten pick then that is a lot to play a slot corner. 

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1 hour ago, BigSteelThrill said:

Had to pay the first -- which was expected. 

Really freakin' happy. :pickle::pickle::pickle:

:thumbup:

Good Luck and I think he will perform well for you all. He's going to love the front office and the coaches a lot more than he did here, that's gotta make a big difference for him. I'll bet that the Steelers happily extend him in 2021 when he's eligible. I'm happy for Fitz he is going to a strong organization, most of the players we traded landed on good teams. 

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1 hour ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Pittsburgh had a different approach then say the 2012 Colts did once Manning was leaving town. 

The next Fall the Colts also traded away a future 1st to add a former high pick from a struggling team: RB Trent Richardson from the Browns.  The Steelers acquiring Fitzpatrick can't go that poorly...right? 🤔

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PFF...

According to Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald, Miami asked Fitzpatrick to learn six positions this off-season after having him play at least 90 snaps at box safety, slot corner, outside corner and free safety as a rookie. Fitzpatrick’s frustration is well-warranted because it takes him away from the position he clearly plays best and one that has grown significantly in value with the NFL’s ongoing pivot to lighter personnel groupings.

As a rookie last season, the former Alabama standout earned an impressive 79.3 overall grade and a 76.7 coverage grade across 379 snaps at slot cornerback. He also ranked first in completion percentage allowed (51.3%) and passer rating allowed (53.4) among the 34 defensive players with 200 or more coverage snaps played in the slot in 2018.

Fitzpatrick was one of the best rookie slot corners we have ever graded. Since 2006, only five rookie defensive backs have earned higher coverage grades from the slot than Fitzpatrick’s 79.3: Casey Hayward, Desmond King, Leon Hall, Tyrann Mathieu and Antoine Cason.

Fitzpatrick’s NFL success is what we expected after he excelled for the Crimson Tide in college. His 90.5 career coverage grade playing the slot for Bama is the best grade among 93 Power 5 defenders with 400 or more slot coverage snaps played since 2014.

And successful slot cornerbacks are indeed valuable in today’s NFL, well worth first-round picks.

In 2018, Fitzpatrick allowed a passer rating of 69.0 in coverage - good enough for 7th best among qualified CBs.

Note* his worst grading is when he is "in the box," 40.9.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-breaking-steelers-trade-2020-first-round-pick-for-minkah-fitzpatrick

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17 minutes ago, Iceman03 said:

Was about to post exactly what @BigSteelThrilldid. To hell with putting him at safety. It would be a complete clown move by Butler if he did so.

I'm good with him playing FS and dropping into the slot in the nickel... considering our base defense that we play the most is the 2-4-5 nickel.

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Out of all the years we wanted this team to make a big trade for a QB and they pick now to do it?  Good lord - I'm so turned off my this management and coaching staff.  WTF are they doing?  Rudolph better be the real deal or this is going to end really, really badly.  Lot of the pressure on the kid to win now.

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Love the trade for Fitzpatrick.  

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28 minutes ago, fred_1_15301 said:

we wanted this team to make a big trade for a QB and they pick now to do it?

We did?

We have our QB. Figured that was settled. Sure if you get the #1 overall in a given year then maybe any QB is replaceable.  But this team has far too much talent for that type of option.

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15 minutes ago, BigSteelThrill said:

We did?

We have our QB. Figured that was settled. Sure if you get the #1 overall in a given year then maybe any QB is replaceable.  But this team has far too much talent for that type of option.

I think it was a typo and he meant trade for a CB.

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4 minutes ago, Steeler said:

I think it was a typo and he meant trade for a CB.

Yup sorry - autocorrect I believe.

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I have been a big fan of the dolphins moves in the offseason, jettisoning salary to get a solid rebuild going. Thought it was odd they dealt Tunsil but not after seeing the return. But this trade just doesn’t make sense to me. Fitzpatrick is 22 and is a fantastic player. I understand they got a first for him but he is a young, very good player. The type of player you want to hold onto in a rebuild, not trade.

 

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My guess is they have a lot of confidence in Rudolph but realize they're going to need to sure up a very shaky secondary in order to win games this year.  A healthy Ben can win shootouts, not as likely with Rudolph.

I expect the Steelers to dial up the running game and simplify the offense a bit in an effort to keep the clock moving and opposing offense off the field.  This trade should improve the defense significantly: getting them off the field on 3rd downs and hopefully more turnovers.

So it seems like this is a move for both now and the future.   I hope it works out because if they suck this season and this turns out to be a top 5 pick they've paid a very steep price.

 

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21 minutes ago, BigSteelThrill said:

We did?

We have our QB. Figured that was settled. Sure if you get the #1 overall in a given year then maybe any QB is replaceable.  But this team has far too much talent for that type of option.

Yup I meant to say CB.  

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1 minute ago, Godsbrother said:

My guess is they have a lot of confidence in Rudolph but realize they're going to need to sure up a very shaky secondary in order to win games this year.  A healthy Ben can win shootouts, not as likely with Rudolph.

I expect the Steelers to dial up the running game and simplify the offense a bit in an effort to keep the clock moving and opposing offense off the field.  This trade should improve the defense significantly: getting them off the field on 3rd downs and hopefully more turnovers.

So it seems like this is a move for both now and the future.   I hope it works out because if they suck this season and this turns out to be a top 5 pick they've paid a very steep price.

 

If nothing else, this move shows that they're extremely confident in Rudolph as the heir to Ben.  I hope that works out.  If it does, this move will end up being a good one.

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4 minutes ago, fred_1_15301 said:

If nothing else, this move shows that they're extremely confident in Rudolph as the heir to Ben.  I hope that works out.  If it does, this move will end up being a good one.

Yep.   One thing for sure:  that secondary has been getting lit up and Fitz should be an immediate improvement

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Write ups on Minkah around the 2018 draft.

When the trade was announced my first reaction was "WTF, why?" It looked like our season was over with Ben out and we might end up with a top 10 pick. I honestly couldn't believe it and I was disappointed. 

After having time to think about it, I'm much happier than I was, but still skeptical. I think they did this for 2 main reasons, but it will have to play out during the season to see if I'm right. First, I think that Colbert and Tomlin are still of the belief that our team is good enough with Rudolph to make a serious push this year. They think that a defense based around Watt, Haden, Bush, Tuitt, Heyward, Fitzpatrick is enough to build around and hold teams in check, while our O-line, Rudolph, Juju, McDonald, and Conner will be strong enough on Offense to put up points. After watching Rudolph work against a strong Seattle D, I can't say I disagree, and if we'd had Fitz to stop some of Wilson's quick passes then the outcome could have been different. 

Second, the FO and Tomlin must believe that Fitzpatrick will drastically increase the quality of our secondary. I'm not sure where they plan to play him, in the slot or at FS, or as a utility defender, but they must believe that after he gets up to speed our defense will improve greatly. I like Mike Hilton out of the slot, and he was able to get pressure in the Seattle backfield on crucial plays, but I didn't really analyze his coverage during the Seahawks game. I think that having Minkah in the back end, replacing the injured Sean Davis (soon to be FA) and covering for a mediocre Edmunds, could be beneficial, but I'll be honest that I don't know enough about Fitzpatrick's game to know for sure how he'd do at FS. He was a leader of Bama's D in a year that they dominated, I feel like that can't be a bad thing.

Another point in support of this trade is that I haven't been a huge fan of several of our recent first round picks. Granted, if we actually had a high pick next year we might be able to get a game changer, but our recent track record in the secondary has been Artie Burns and Terrell Edmunds. I don't think our talent evaluation is great when it comes to that area of the defense. If we end up with a top 10 pick next year, I'm not sure this was a good deal, but I'm not sure that the season is as lost as it felt on Sunday right after the game ended. 

Fitzpatrick is only 22 (23 in Nov), he's a young, talented, proven player. I don't think we'd have drafted a QB in the 1st, even if Rudolph plays poorly this year, because I think that Ben or Rudolph are the starting QB next year. Hey, if Rudolph does as poorly as some people think he will then we can just go heavy on D in 2020 and take Lawrence in 2021. 

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17 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Sean davis torn labrum. So that is why?

I was wondering if Fitzpatrick would be new FS, I'd say this confirms it. With probably slot work when needed. 

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Just now, steelers1080 said:

I was wondering if Fitzpatrick would be new FS, I'd say this confirms it. With probably slot work when needed. 

Now the trade makes sense.  OK.  :bowtie:

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27 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

If our pass rushers were getting tired, it sure sucks to have Chickillo out there instead of Skipper. 

Can't wait for Ola to get healthy. I think a rotation of him, Watt, and Dupree will be legit.

Also, allegedly the Chiefs made a very similar offer for Fitzpatrick but we got him because Miami expects our pick to be higher in the 1st (I wonder why?). Makes me feel a bit better that other teams (with good FOs) were offering a similar amount for him.

At this point, I'm feeling better and better about this trade. The only thing that'll suck is if our pick next year is high and a ridiculous player would have dropped to us. Trying not to think about April 2020 with 14 games left to play (Or 17?!?! Probably not). 

Steelers are 100-1 odds of winning the Super Bowl right now. It'd be stupid to throw money away, right? Right?!

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20 minutes ago, Franknbeans said:

Another take

Yet even under the weight of headlines he wanted out, Fitzpatrick graded out as ProFootballFocus.com’s top Dolphins defender in Sunday’s blowout loss to the New England Patriots.

The Steelers get Fitzpatrick on the cheap, too. The Dolphins have paid the bulk of his salary over the next few years. He’ll cost Pittsburgh an average of about $1.5 million over the next four years. That’s nothing for a top talent. So they not only get a top talent but get extra money to buy someone else.

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Risky move but I like it if they are confident that Rudolph will be solid. May even be able to get that first back for Ben or Rudolph if Mason has a good year.

8 first round picks now starting on D. Heyward, Watt, Dupree, Bush, Barron, Fitzpatrick, Haden and Edmunds.  If the D doesn't show some serious improvement soon (as in top 5) have to think it comes down quickly on Butler and eventually Tomlin.

 

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2 hours ago, steelers1080 said:

Can't wait for Ola to get healthy. I think a rotation of him, Watt, and Dupree will be legit.

Also, allegedly the Chiefs made a very similar offer for Fitzpatrick but we got him because Miami expects our pick to be higher in the 1st (I wonder why?). Makes me feel a bit better that other teams (with good FOs) were offering a similar amount for him.

At this point, I'm feeling better and better about this trade. The only thing that'll suck is if our pick next year is high and a ridiculous player would have dropped to us. Trying not to think about April 2020 with 14 games left to play (Or 17?!?! Probably not). 

Steelers are 100-1 odds of winning the Super Bowl right now. It'd be stupid to throw money away, right? Right?!

Chiefs, Seahawks, Saints, Cowboys, there was a bidding war actually and Dallas dropped out at that point. 3 or 4 other teams were also in contact with Miami about Minkah.

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10 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Does Fitz prefer FS or slot cb??

And he had one of the 5 best ever rookie seasons at the position as a slot DB. 

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So I guess the Steelers have their #3 QB in Paxton Lynch.  Yeah he really sucks but if this team has to go to him then we have started tanking way before that

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1 hour ago, Frenchy Fuqua said:

Risky move but I like it if they are confident that Rudolph will be solid. May even be able to get that first back for Ben or Rudolph if Mason has a good year.

8 first round picks now starting on D. Heyward, Watt, Dupree, Bush, Barron, Fitzpatrick, Haden and Edmunds.  If the D doesn't show some serious improvement soon (as in top 5) have to think it comes down quickly on Butler and eventually Tomlin.

 

Absolutely.  This defense should be better than they've been playing

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