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**** Official Joe Walsh for President Thread **** (1 Viewer)

I like him. Listen to his podcasts all the time. He’s a sane tea partier if there is such a thing. 

 
Walsh is the second Republican to primary Trump and Mark Sanford might be the third.

Even if they are relative lightweights 2-3 known primary opponents is uncommon for any president.

 
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Joe Walsh: Trump Needs a Primary Challenge

The case for a contender from the right.

There’s a strong case for President Trump to face a Republican primary challenger. I know a thing or two about insurgencies. I entered Congress in 2011 as an insurgent Tea Party Republican. My goals were conservative and clear: restrain executive power and reduce the debt. Barack Obama was president then, and it was easy for us to rail against runaway spending and executive overreach.

Eight years later, Mr. Trump has increased the deficit more than $100 billion year over year — it’s now nearing $1 trillion — and we hear not a word of protest from my former Republican colleagues. He abuses the Constitution for his narcissistic trade war. In private, most congressional Republicans oppose the trade war, but they don’t say anything publicly. But think about this: Mr. Trump’s tariffs are a tax increase on middle-class Americans and are devastating to our farmers. That’s not a smart electoral strategy.

It’s one of the many reasons Mr. Trump is ripe for a primary challenger. In fact, it would buck the historical trend if he didn’t have one. More often than not, unpopular presidents face primary challengers.

Since leaving Congress in 2013, I’ve been the host of my own conservative talk radio show several hours a day, five days a week. The only time a majority of my conservative audience has noticeably broken with the president is when he signed the omnibus spending bill in 2017 that ballooned the deficit. Fiscal responsibility is an issue the American electorate cares about but that our elected officials disregard from the top down — including the Tea Party in the Trump era.

Fiscal matters are only part of it. At the most basic level, Mr. Trump is unfit for office. His lies are so numerous — from his absurd claim that tariffs are “paid for mostly by China, by the way, not by us,” to his prevarication about his crowd sizes, he can’t be trusted.

In Mr. Trump, I see the worst and ugliest iteration of views I expressed for the better part of a decade. To be sure, I’ve had my share of controversy. On more than one occasion, I questioned Mr. Obama’s truthfulness about his religion. At times, I expressed hate for my political opponents. We now see where this can lead. There’s no place in our politics for personal attacks like that, and I regret making them.

I didn’t vote for Mr. Trump in 2016 because I liked him. I voted for him because he wasn’t Hillary Clinton. Once he was elected, I gave him a fair hearing, and tried to give him the benefit of the doubt. But I soon realized that I couldn’t support him because of the danger he poses to the country, especially the division he sows at every chance, culminating a few weeks ago in his ugly, racist attack on four minority congresswomen.

The fact is, Mr. Trump is a racial arsonist who encourages bigotry and xenophobia to rouse his base and advance his electoral prospects. In this, he inspires imitators.

Republicans should view Mr. Trump as the liability that he is: No matter his flag-hugging, or his military parades, he’s no patriot. In front of the world, he sides with Vladimir Putin over our own intelligence community. That’s dangerous. He encouraged Russian interference in the 2016 election, and he refuses to take foreign threats seriously as we enter the 2020 election. That’s reckless. For three years, he has been at war with our federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies, as he embraces tyrants abroad and embarrasses our allies. That’s un-American.

And despite what his enablers claim, Mr. Trump isn’t a conservative. He’s reckless on fiscal issues; he’s incompetent on the border; he’s clueless on trade; he misunderstands executive power; and he subverts the rule of law. It’s his poor record that makes him most worthy of a primary challenge.

Mr. Trump has taken the legitimate differences that Americans have on policy and turned them into personal division. He’s caused me to change my tone and to reflect upon where I went over the line and to focus on policy differences moving forward.

We now have a president who retweets conspiracy theories implicating his political opponents in Jeffrey Epstein’s death. We now have a president who does his level best to avoid condemning white supremacy and white nationalism.

Yes, William Weld, the former Massachusetts governor, is challenging Mr. Trump from the center. But the president is more vulnerable to a challenge from the right. I’m on the right, and I’m hugely disappointed that challenge hasn’t yet materialized.

Mr. Trump’s most vulnerable against a challenger who’d make the case for strong borders — instead of warning of “invaders,” dragging us down, turning neighbor against neighbor. A majority of Americans want fixes to our most basic problems.

We need someone who could stand up, look the president in the eye and say: “Enough, sir. We’ve had enough of your indecency. We’ve had enough of your lies, your bullying, your cruelty, enough of your insults, your daily drama, your incitement, enough of the danger you place this country in every single day. We don’t want any of this anymore, and the country certainly can’t stand four more years of it.”

 
While I am not a Tea party conservative he said exactly what most of us here including many Republicans think of Trump on This week with George Stephanopoulis this morning. He apologized for his past support of Trump and past rhetoric that was racist and right up there with Trumps. He seemed sincere

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/exclusive-joe-walsh-announces-republican-primary-challenge-president/story?id=65122073

Absolutely  no chance to beat a Trump but he definitely said some things that Never Trump Republicans and those of us that have left the party can feel good about. He said of Trump “he has no freakin’ clue what he is doing”

 
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I'm certainly not a DC insider or anything, but I have a few friends that are well connected to the Republican Party (particularly the fiscally conservative/socially moderate branch) and they were saying back when the Mueller report came out that a large swath of conservatives were secretly rooting for a damning report containing undeniably impeachable offenses so they could simply be rid of the exhausting cancer that is Trump in time to have a "normal" candidate for President in 2020.

Obviously that didn't happen, but I think Walsh's statement that his candidacy will "catch on like wildfire" is probably correct. Trump is already doomed in 2020 with or without Walsh, but if Republicans don't start repairing the damage Trump has done the whole Party is doomed, perhaps irretrievably. 

He's not a sitting senator or anything, but it's refreshing to finally see some backbone displayed on the right. At this point any thinking person can see the damage Trump is causing with his incompetent narcissism. It has to end.

 
I'm certainly not a DC insider or anything, but I have a few friends that are well connected to the Republican Party (particularly the fiscally conservative/socially moderate branch) and they were saying back when the Mueller report came out that a large swath of conservatives were secretly rooting for a damning report containing undeniably impeachable offenses so they could simply be rid of the exhausting cancer that is Trump in time to have a "normal" candidate for President in 2020.

Obviously that didn't happen, but I think Walsh's statement that his candidacy will "catch on like wildfire" is probably correct. Trump is already doomed in 2020 with or without Walsh, but if Republicans don't start repairing the damage Trump has done the whole Party is doomed, perhaps irretrievably. 

He's not a sitting senator or anything, but it's refreshing to finally see some backbone displayed on the right. At this point any thinking person can see the damage Trump is causing with his incompetent narcissism. It has to end.
Welcome!  There’s cake and punch in the back

 
Obviously that didn't happen, but I think Walsh's statement that his candidacy will "catch on like wildfire" is probably correct.
Trump is still wildly popular among Republicans.  88% favorable or so depending on the poll. The never-Trumpers are just too small to matter in a primary. Maybe he loses some support with worsening economic news but it won’t be enough.

 
That would be awesome but I have strong doubts. 
I'm not talking anything crazy, just more popular than your usual incumbent challenger. I think he's a nozz and his newly discovered "principles" are due to sensing a gap in the party, but this last month has been a doozy for Trump and it's only going to get worse.

Even the latest Fox poll has Trump -13 in approval and losing convincingly to every major Democratic candidate. He can't even break 40% anymore against any of them. It's not going to take much more of this for actual Republicans to start abandoning the sinking SS Donald J Trump and not just talk show hosts.

 
I'm certainly not a DC insider or anything, but I have a few friends that are well connected to the Republican Party (particularly the fiscally conservative/socially moderate branch) and they were saying back when the Mueller report came out that a large swath of conservatives were secretly rooting for a damning report containing undeniably impeachable offenses so they could simply be rid of the exhausting cancer that is Trump in time to have a "normal" candidate for President in 2020.

Obviously that didn't happen
I’d say it did happen. Not the “be rid of” part, but the “undeniably impeachable offenses” part.

The report described several crimes. Trump tried to get Jeff Sessions to unrecuse himself so that he could limit the investigation to just future interference rather than past interference, and then declare Trump innocent. That is an attempt to obstruct the investigation. He also tried to get Don McGahn to falsely deny, in an internal memo, that Trump asked him to fire Mueller. That is also an attempt to obstruct an investigation. Both of those are crimes.

The report also described certain acts that may not be crimes, but are impeachable offenses. He asked James Comey for his loyalty, asked him to stop investigating Mike Flynn, asked him to announce that Trump wasn’t under investigation, then fired him in retaliation for refusing those requests. He tried to get Jeff Sessions to investigate his political opponent, Hillary Clinton, based on no known criminal predicate. He publicly dangled the possibility of a pardon in return for Paul Manafort’s refusal to cooperate with federal law enforcement.

In a sane world, all five of those episodes, among others, would have led to immediate impeachment proceedings.

 
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An obvious grift.  There's no easier way to get on the MSNBC/CNN talking head circuit than to be a "principled" antiTrump Republican guy, which there's like 14 of on the planet.  
Here is a list of Never Trump Republicans/ and those who have since left the Republican Party in the last 2-3 years. (I could go on for hours, got tired of it) Someone can make a list of Democrats who have joined the Trump train (if even one exists)

*held office/currently hold office **Media  +former Government official # Presidents of World organizations

George W. Bush*

John Kasich*

Jeb Bush*

Carly Fiorina

Joe Scarborough*/**

Joe Walsh*/**

David Jolly*

George Pataki*

Gov Charlie Baker*

Robert Bentley*

Dennis Daugaard*

Larry Hogan *

Arne Carlson *

Ana Navaro **

Tom Nichols**

Bill Kristol**

Rick Wilson **

Max Boot**

Michael Steele (Former GOP Chairman) 

William Bennett +

Bill Brock +

Michael Chertoff +

Robert Gates +

Carlos Gutierrez +

Carla Anderson Hills +

Ray LaHood +

Greg Mankiw +

Michael Mukasey +

A. Linwood Holton Jr. +

John Negroponte +

Colin Powell +

William Reilly +

Henry Paulson +

Condeoleeza Rice +

Anthony Scaramucci+

George Conway (Lawyer)

Tom Ridge +

William Ruckelshaus +

Brent Scowcroft +

Louis Wade Sullivan +

George Schultz +

Christine Tod Whitman +

Paul Wolfowitz #

Robert Zoellick #

 
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I’d say it did happen. Not the “be rid of” part, but the “undeniably impeachable offenses” part.

In a sane world, all five of those episodes, among others, would have led to immediate impeachment proceedings.
I 100% agree, with the caveat that we are (obviously) living in an insane, upside-down, topsy-turvy world. What once was "undeniable" was denied on this very board for months. It still is. Just like in real life.

It's probably a poor assumption on my part, but I think even in this bizarro world, had part 1 of the report contained incontrovertible evidence of Trump conspiring with the Russians (greater than or equal to the Nixon tapes), we'd have seen a mass exodus from the Trump bandwagon. As it is they are still hanging on for dear life. To jump off is political suicide (up to this point at least).

I think the number of real, die-hard Trump fans serving in the Federal Government could probably be counted on one hand. You don't have to be super-perceptive to see how absolutely toxic the man is, including to the Republican Party. Privately, I think most Republicans would echo the sentiments Walsh expressed in the This Week interview posted upthread. Heck, half of Trump's former administrators have said it in one way or another. I think this is a symptom, not of party over country, but of holding office>party>country. I'd posit that 88% of Republicans support Trump because they feel like they have to/it would be traitorous not to, not because they really like the guy. When it comes down to it that number will melt under pressure, especially when there's a third way that doesn't involve the Democrats. 

Trump is going down the tubes in more ways than one, and that, combined with a politically expedient way out provided by Walsh, makes me believe that the Eagles will be more popular than expected.

 
"I have terrible judgement!  I have no other choice but to ask that you put me in charge!" -- Joe Walsh

 
You do realize that he will vote for Trump in 2020 right.   He can talk all he wants to about how unfit he is but he will never vote for a Democrat against Trump when he knows nobody will know who he voted for.

 
You do realize that he will vote for Trump in 2020 right.   He can talk all he wants to about how unfit he is but he will never vote for a Democrat against Trump when he knows nobody will know who he voted for.
Makes no sense. The harm his attacks on Trump's character coming from a Tea party Republican will cost Trump a few votes nominally in the general election. Even if he were to vote for Trump his 1 vote wouldn't mean squat. 

 
His vote itself doesn't mean anything.  it was more of an argument about how him and a lot of Republicans no matter how much they may hate Trump now will still never vote Democrat when it matters.  If lucky (for people wanting him to lose) they won't vote at all.  I don't see that happen either

 
https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1166000923841355777?s=20

It's too perfect. 🤣

I really don't get it.  Joe Walsh was a birther, called Obama a Muslim who was 'only elected because he's black'.  Everything you hate about Trump, you should really hate about Joe Walsh too.  In a way, Joe Walsh is worse, because their differences are not in substance but just style.  It's like if Trump were a nicer looking mannequin with a less checkered reputation who occasionally said patriotic things, people would be fine with him.  

I don't hate Trump personally, but I recognize the unreal damage his policies have wrought on this country and the planet.  But this network of washed up, corrupt, failed losers that 'Trumpwash' it all away and rehabilitate their careers is worse and dangerous in its own right.  

 
Walsh issues with Trump are on an economical and foreign policy issue.  I am sure he has no problem with telling minorities to go back to where they came from and his immigration issue.  

 
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So Democrats are going to pump up a racist seeking the Republican nomination to square off against their (likely) out of touch elderly nominee everyone hates.

Louis CK was right, God hates us and we're alone.

 
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I'm pretty sure Walsh is trying to appeal to Republicans.
Most of the positive things I'm seeing about him have not been from Republicans.

It's entirely possible this is more a reflection of my particular Twitter feed.

I also don't think his candidacy is going to matter one bit in the end. I'm just venting.

 
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Most of the positive things I'm seeing about him have not been from Republicans.

It's entirely possible this is more a reflection of my particular Twitter feed.

I also don't think his candidacy is going to matter one bit in the end. I'm just venting.
Democrats, like Libertarians, Greens, Republicans, Constitutionalists, and everyone else, should prefer Walsh to Trump if those are the choices. But it will mainly just be Republicans who might contemplate actually voting for him in the Republican primary.

 
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McJose said:
He’s a nozzle.


https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1166000923841355777?s=20

It's too perfect. 🤣

I really don't get it.  Joe Walsh was a birther, called Obama a Muslim who was 'only elected because he's black'.  Everything you hate about Trump, you should really hate about Joe Walsh too.  In a way, Joe Walsh is worse, because their differences are not in substance but just style.  It's like if Trump were a nicer looking mannequin with a less checkered reputation who occasionally said patriotic things, people would be fine with him.  

I don't hate Trump personally, but I recognize the unreal damage his policies have wrought on this country and the planet.  But this network of washed up, corrupt, failed losers that 'Trumpwash' it all away and rehabilitate their careers is worse and dangerous in its own right.  
Hello, exactly

 

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