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Man made global warming AKA Climate change is a SCAM (1 Viewer)

dkp993 said:
If course.  Literally no one is arguing this.  The whole disagreement in on our influence on this.  So there’s no need for you to continue to repeat it.  We all agree on that.  
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well it sure seems like something that needs clarified

so we all know this warming and cooling has always happened. great

we know too that other things impact global climate .... earthquakes, solar conditions, volcanoes, weather patterns, dust in the atmosphere ......  did you know the 2005 Indian ocean earthquake/tsunami changed the earth's axis and made the days shorter? a small impact ... but on a global scale what was the impact to climate etc?

we don't know exactly - we can only guess .............. and maybe? maybe this earth's cycle is going to turn, grow colder, and in 5,000 years there will be glaciers in Iowa and Nebraska again. it happens - we KNOW it happens, over and over and over

we can guess as to human impact .... its called theories

 
Amused to Death said:
Climate-change deniers and creationists have deployed the word "theory" to cast doubt on climate change and evolution.

"It's as though it weren't true because it's just a theory," Allain said.

 That's despite the fact that an overwhelming amount of evidence supports both human-caused climate change and Darwin's theory of evolution.

Part of the problem is that the word "theory" means something very different in lay language than it does in science: A scientific theory is an explanation of some aspect of the natural world that has been substantiated through repeated experiments or testing. But to the average Jane or Joe, a theory is just an idea that lives in someone's head, rather than an explanation rooted in experiment and testing. - Scientific American
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The average person confuses Hypothesis and Theory all the time.  

 
dkp993 said:
You’re struggling huh? Again I said proven wrong.  
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It has been proven wrong in a Canadian court of law. The hockey stick creator on climate change theory won’t show the judge how he arrived at his conclusion. That’s because his proof doesn’t exist.

 
Stealthycat said:
well it sure seems like something that needs clarified

so we all know this warming and cooling has always happened. great

we know too that other things impact global climate .... earthquakes, solar conditions, volcanoes, weather patterns, dust in the atmosphere ......  did you know the 2005 Indian ocean earthquake/tsunami changed the earth's axis and made the days shorter? a small impact ... but on a global scale what was the impact to climate etc?

we don't know exactly - we can only guess .............. and maybe? maybe this earth's cycle is going to turn, grow colder, and in 5,000 years there will be glaciers in Iowa and Nebraska again. it happens - we KNOW it happens, over and over and over

we can guess as to human impact .... its called theories
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Point proven @joffer @Amused to Death

 
Stealthycat said:
well it sure seems like something that needs clarified

so we all know this warming and cooling has always happened. great

we know too that other things impact global climate .... earthquakes, solar conditions, volcanoes, weather patterns, dust in the atmosphere ......  did you know the 2005 Indian ocean earthquake/tsunami changed the earth's axis and made the days shorter? a small impact ... but on a global scale what was the impact to climate etc?

we don't know exactly - we can only guess .............. and maybe? maybe this earth's cycle is going to turn, grow colder, and in 5,000 years there will be glaciers in Iowa and Nebraska again. it happens - we KNOW it happens, over and over and over

we can guess as to human impact .... its called theories
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Insane in the membrane.......how hard is it to recognize/understand that humans have been impacting the climate for 200+ years, a distinct difference from the rest of the history of this planet. There are no other species within its history which has impacted this planet more than intelligent/dumb humans. Case closed. No theories needed. FACT.

 
pinkham13 said:
It has been proven wrong in a Canadian court of law. The hockey stick creator on climate change theory won’t show the judge how he arrived at his conclusion. That’s because his proof doesn’t exist.
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So by this hypothesis if it was proven correct in a Mexican/Indian/Swedish/etc it would then be true?  

 
Here is the sad and scary news we are dealing with: 86% of Republicans doubt that climate change is man-made and a serious issue:

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a25725055/climate-change-poll-republicans-americans-nbc-news/

Given that there are, at latest count, 76 million Republicans (24% of the total population), that means 66 million Americans feel this way.

Why? We can debate the reasons all day- talk radio, because the solutions inevitably involve big government, evangelical Christianity- I could go on and on. But more importantly, what are the rest of us to do about this? Can we reason with them? How can we achieve reasonable goals if they are going to be opposed to everything?

 
Ruffrodys05 said:
Insane in the membrane.......how hard is it to recognize/understand that humans have been impacting the climate for 200+ years, a distinct difference from the rest of the history of this planet. There are no other species within its history which has impacted this planet more than intelligent/dumb humans. Case closed. No theories needed. FACT.
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Fact: man made climate change was discredited back in the seventies when Time magazine had the coming global ice age on their cover. This scheme is about controlling people and the worlds resources for profits. It always has been.

 
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Ruffrodys05 said:
Insane in the membrane.......how hard is it to recognize/understand that humans have been impacting the climate for 200+ years, a distinct difference from the rest of the history of this planet. There are no other species within its history which has impacted this planet more than intelligent/dumb humans. Case closed. No theories needed. FACT.
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but to what extent ? trashing the planet absoluely

causing it to warm and cool ?  its ALWAYS done that

this is a fact - if 98% of humans died tomorrow .... and never repopulated this planet again ......... this earth would STILL warm and cool as it always has

agreed ?

 
Stealthycat said:
but to what extent ? trashing the planet absoluely

causing it to warm and cool ?  its ALWAYS done that

this is a fact - if 98% of humans died tomorrow .... and never repopulated this planet again ......... this earth would STILL warm and cool as it always has

agreed ?
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it does tend to get cooler in the evening

 
Stealthycat said:
but to what extent ? trashing the planet absoluely

causing it to warm and cool ?  its ALWAYS done that

this is a fact - if 98% of humans died tomorrow .... and never repopulated this planet again ......... this earth would STILL warm and cool as it always has

agreed ?
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dkp993 said:
Of course.  Literally no one is arguing this.  The whole disagreement in on our influence on this.  So there’s no need for you to continue to repeat it.  We all agree on that.  
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pinkham13 said:
Fact: man made climate change was discredited back in the seventies when Time magazine had the coming global ice age on their cover. This scheme is about controlling people and the worlds resources for profits. It always has been.
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I'm not going to say fact is - when it comes to how humans are impacting the planet cycles

We absolutely could be impacting it .... or somewhat impacting it, or minimally impacting it or even not so much. We simply do not know. 

We need to do much better with pollution. We CAN make changes and differences .... smart ones, like banning single use plastics, limit more and more foams and plastics etc. We can do that. Emissions too - more and more we can convert from fossil fuels. All reasonable

this manic, save the earth chest beating thing though ... man, Gore and Co. brainstormed a campaign that was sheer brilliance. Its admirable 

 
Even if man made warming were somehow real assigning more power and control to government and their cronies on Wall Street would be a bitter non productive solution. One volcano and all CO2 capture schemes would be wiped out in two seconds. Climate alarmists begging for communist control system to save the planet lol.

 
Stealthycat said:
I'm not going to say fact is - when it comes to how humans are impacting the planet cycles

We absolutely could be impacting it .... or somewhat impacting it, or minimally impacting it or even not so much. We simply do not know. 

We need to do much better with pollution. We CAN make changes and differences .... smart ones, like banning single use plastics, limit more and more foams and plastics etc. We can do that. Emissions too - more and more we can convert from fossil fuels. All reasonable

this manic, save the earth chest beating thing though ... man, Gore and Co. brainstormed a campaign that was sheer brilliance. Its admirable 
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sure we do

 
pinkham13 said:
Even if man made warming were somehow real assigning more power and control to government and their cronies on Wall Street would be a bitter non productive solution. One volcano and all CO2 capture schemes would be wiped out in two seconds. Climate alarmists begging for communist control system to save the planet lol.
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volcanoes put out about 300 million tons of CO2 per year on average.  human activity emit annually about 100x that much.

this is fun.  keep going.

 
timschochet said:
Here is the sad and scary news we are dealing with: 86% of Republicans doubt that climate change is man-made and a serious issue:

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a25725055/climate-change-poll-republicans-americans-nbc-news/

Given that there are, at latest count, 76 million Republicans (24% of the total population), that means 66 million Americans feel this way.

Why? We can debate the reasons all day- talk radio, because the solutions inevitably involve big government, evangelical Christianity- I could go on and on. But more importantly, what are the rest of us to do about this? Can we reason with them? How can we achieve reasonable goals if they are going to be opposed to everything?
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What does climate change have to do with Christianity?

 
joffer said:
volcanoes put out about 300 million tons of CO2 per year on average.  human activity emit annually about 100x that much.

this is fun.  keep going.
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Sure because you know the volcano eruption schedule like the scientists can predict  ocean temps 100 years into the future.

 
pinkham13 said:
Even if man made warming were somehow real assigning more power and control to government and their cronies on Wall Street would be a bitter non productive solution. One volcano and all CO2 capture schemes would be wiped out in two seconds. Climate alarmists begging for communist control system to save the planet lol.
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yes but

would you agree that we can reduce pollution ? single use plastics? lessen micro-plastics use? go more electric and less fossil fuels ? 

 
joffer said:
you know there are people that measure annual CO2 production from volcanoes right?
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But they don’t know with certainty when any will erupt. Just like they have been wrong about coastal communities disappearing. Obama doesn’t believe the hogwash either or he wouldn’t have bought a multimillion dollar estate on the ocean.

 
joffer said:
sure we do
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actually no "we" don't

when global warming is attributed to humans, and global cooling is too, and storm strength is and lack of storms is and more storms is, and literally everything becomes "climate change" ....

you gotta realize that its become bogus in contest and facts .... you can't reasonably blame everything on something the originally started out as "oh the earth is warming !!"

do you see that ?

 
pinkham13 said:
But they don’t know with certainty when any will erupt. 
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removed the idiotic stuff

what does being able to predict volcanoes have to do with anything?  300 million tons is an average.  it's a drop in the bucket to what we emit, short of the Yellowstone supervolcano going off.

 
Stealthycat said:
actually no "we" don't

when global warming is attributed to humans, and global cooling is too, and storm strength is and lack of storms is and more storms is, and literally everything becomes "climate change" ....

you gotta realize that its become bogus in contest and facts .... you can't reasonably blame everything on something the originally started out as "oh the earth is warming !!"

do you see that ?
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sure we do.  increased CO2 traps more heat.  period.

 
pinkham13 said:
But they don’t know with certainty when any will erupt. Just like they have been wrong about coastal communities disappearing. Obama doesn’t believe the hogwash either or he wouldn’t have bought a multimillion dollar estate on the ocean.
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"What? No, I don't care what the facts are, I care about past Presidents buying beachfront property. That's all the proof I need!"

 
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joffer said:
removed the idiotic stuff

what does being able to predict volcanoes have to do with anything?  300 million tons is an average.  it's a drop in the bucket to what we emit, short of the Yellowstone supervolcano going off.
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Oh it’s idiotic that Obama bought 29 acres on the ocean? If climate change we’re real he wouldn’t have. You know because the alarmists say all of the coast will be under 10 feet of water soon. Your right it is idiotic because it’s a scam.

 
pinkham13 said:
Oh it’s idiotic that Obama bought 29 acres on the ocean? If climate change we’re real he wouldn’t have. You know because the alarmists say all of the coast will be under 10 feet of water soon. Your right it is idiotic because it’s a scam.
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no that was smart.  thinking its relevant to climate change is idiotic.

 
timschochet said:
Here is the sad and scary news we are dealing with: 86% of Republicans doubt that climate change is man-made and a serious issue:

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a25725055/climate-change-poll-republicans-americans-nbc-news/

Given that there are, at latest count, 76 million Republicans (24% of the total population), that means 66 million Americans feel this way.

Why? We can debate the reasons all day- talk radio, because the solutions inevitably involve big government, evangelical Christianity- I could go on and on. But more importantly, what are the rest of us to do about this? Can we reason with them? How can we achieve reasonable goals if they are going to be opposed to everything?
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Hey look...Tim is referencing a poll.  What are the odds of that? 

 
joffer said:
no that was smart.  thinking its relevant to climate change is idiotic.
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I didn’t say he caused climate change I said he obviously doesn’t believe in it. I mean we only have 12 years left before the world ends and all the glaciers melt flooding people like me and Obama out.

 
Stealthycat said:
100% fact, everyone knows its true ?

is that what caused all the other warnings in the past ?
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i suppose if you passed 8th grade chemistry, yes its true.  you can actually prove it with a couple of test tubes, some club soda, and a flashlight.

and yes, CO2 has affected climate in the past too.

 
pinkham13 said:
Oh it’s idiotic that Obama bought 29 acres on the ocean? If climate change we’re real he wouldn’t have. You know because the alarmists say all of the coast will be under 10 feet of water soon. Your right it is idiotic because it’s a scam.
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Or maybe because it would take multiple lifetimes to do your bolded.  Maybe just maybe he won’t be alive then and still owning the property.  But who knows right?   It’s just a theory he won’t live that long.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/11022018/sea-level-rise-accelerating-satellite-study-coastal-flood-risk-antarctica-oceans?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqv7Bsu6o5AIVkh6tBh1RKw6-EAAYBCAAEgJC0vD_BwE

 
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