JamboTaylor
Footballguy
Similar ADP. Similar dynasty rank.
Which one would you prefer?
Which one would you prefer?
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OJ Howard or Evan Engram (1 Viewer)
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ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Both are great young upside TE's. Flip a coin type situation.
gun to head i take OJ since the TB offense should be better than the Giants.
gun to head i take OJ since the TB offense should be better than the Giants.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
pretty easily Engram IMO. Less competition and I've been reading nothing aside from he's going to be let loose this year. Arians has never used a TE to my knowledge
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
This is easily Engram for me. There is so much uncertainty in TB and with Arian's non-use of TEs. Engram already has a 700/6 stat line as a rookie. Engram is in line to be the top offensive option aside from Barkley. Howard could be great too but more unknowns with him.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Gotta ditto the above, game script alone combined with lack of options should make EE the play.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I prefer Engram, for several reasons they both had health issues, so I call that aspect a wash.
• Volume: OJ is on a team with Mike Evans & Godwin, so he’s likely option #3, where Engram is arguably option 1 in the Giants receiving gameplan.
• Giants have a better RB, by far, which will command some attention away from the passing game as safeties will have to respect the run. So Engram will get covered by LB more often than not, while IMO the quality of coverage on O.J. will be less of a mismatch since the Bucs OL & run game suck.
• OL - Giants OL isn’t a world beater, but Bucs are bottom 3 from what I’ve seen. That means sacks & pressure, which means mistakes by Winston, or at best looking out his ear hole. Hard to sustain drives like that.
• QB play - Eli doesn’t have the cannon Winston does, but he makes less mistakes knows how to run an offense. I just threw up in my mouth a little at defending Eli Manning, but it is what it is. And if something happened to Eli, they have a rookie who looks like he might even be an upgrade. If something happens to Winston they have....uh...well I’m not sure but probably not as good as Jones.
Overall I give the edge to Engram by a lot. IMO OJ will do pretty much what he did last year while Engram has a chance to be a 80/1000/12 guy.
• Volume: OJ is on a team with Mike Evans & Godwin, so he’s likely option #3, where Engram is arguably option 1 in the Giants receiving gameplan.
• Giants have a better RB, by far, which will command some attention away from the passing game as safeties will have to respect the run. So Engram will get covered by LB more often than not, while IMO the quality of coverage on O.J. will be less of a mismatch since the Bucs OL & run game suck.
• OL - Giants OL isn’t a world beater, but Bucs are bottom 3 from what I’ve seen. That means sacks & pressure, which means mistakes by Winston, or at best looking out his ear hole. Hard to sustain drives like that.
• QB play - Eli doesn’t have the cannon Winston does, but he makes less mistakes knows how to run an offense. I just threw up in my mouth a little at defending Eli Manning, but it is what it is. And if something happened to Eli, they have a rookie who looks like he might even be an upgrade. If something happens to Winston they have....uh...well I’m not sure but probably not as good as Jones.
Overall I give the edge to Engram by a lot. IMO OJ will do pretty much what he did last year while Engram has a chance to be a 80/1000/12 guy.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah - good call - Brate is hurt right now, but he is a vulture. I’d forgotten that on my list. Yet another plus for Engram.
dipandglide
Footballguy
E.N.G.R.A.M.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Counterpoint, it’ll be easier for opposing teams to bracket Engram. They have two good slot WRs (after Week 4 when Tate comes back) and who? Besides being guys have never been in my kitchen, Cody Latimer, Bennie Fowler, Russell Shepard, Darius Slayton, and Cody Core are not gonna any sleepless nights for DCs. Doesn’t compare with the Evans-Godwin duo. 140 targets departed Tampa (Humphries & Jackson.) Finally, Bruce Arians is not calling plays for the first time since 2006. Byron Leftwitch (interim OC last year) was Arians backup & someone the unretired HC trusts.
Last year in limited action (10 & 11 games), they were TE6 & TE7 on a PPG basis in PPR, right behind Ebron & Cook. Engram will have more volume but The Juice has been a RZ monster since he came into the league - 11 TDs on 87 career targets (23 games.)
Last year in limited action (10 & 11 games), they were TE6 & TE7 on a PPG basis in PPR, right behind Ebron & Cook. Engram will have more volume but The Juice has been a RZ monster since he came into the league - 11 TDs on 87 career targets (23 games.)
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