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My colleague Mike Schmidt got an eyewitness account of the arrests in the Lufthansa lounge in the B concourse of Dulles International Airport on Wednesday. Here’s what he heard:

They were indulging themselves in the free drinks and food while talking on the phone and waiting for their overnight flight to Frankfurt. Around 5:45 p.m., the men and the other first class travelers were invited to board before all the other passengers. As they made their way down a corridor toward their plane, two plainclothes officers stepped out and stopped them. 

“We need to see your passports,” one of the officers said.

The passengers took them out, and the officers determined who was standing in front of them. Mr. Parnas and Mr. Fruman were told to turn around. As they made their way back into the terminal, they were greeted by a phalanx of uniformed and plainclothes officers who arrested them.

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1 hour ago, cosjobs said:

Poland, Hungary, The Phillipines

Trump didn't start the fire

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1 minute ago, Sinn Fein said:

My colleague Mike Schmidt got an eyewitness account of the arrests in the Lufthansa lounge in the B concourse of Dulles International Airport on Wednesday. Here’s what he heard:

They were indulging themselves in the free drinks and food while talking on the phone and waiting for their overnight flight to Frankfurt. Around 5:45 p.m., the men and the other first class travelers were invited to board before all the other passengers. As they made their way down a corridor toward their plane, two plainclothes officers stepped out and stopped them. 

“We need to see your passports,” one of the officers said.

The passengers took them out, and the officers determined who was standing in front of them. Mr. Parnas and Mr. Fruman were told to turn around. As they made their way back into the terminal, they were greeted by a phalanx of uniformed and plainclothes officers who arrested them.

Thanks three sacker! 

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3 hours ago, Henry Ford said:

Um. Rudy’s buddies were flying on one way tickets to Vienna. 
 

Rudy was supposed to go to Vienna the next day. But apparently wasn’t going to meet with them at all. 
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/10/rudy-giuliani-vienna/599833/

In fairness, the whole lot of them look to be pastry lovers, so it checks out.

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Would it have made more sense to get round-trip tickets, just for optics? Maybe it doesn't matter. Also, I can't believe I just used the word 'optics' like that. Sorry.

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SCOOP: Indicted pro-TRUMP Ukraine researcher LEV PARNAS told people he paid RUDY GIULIANI hundreds of thousands of dollars to work for his firm, Fraud Guarantee

 

 

writers have clearly gone out on strike. 

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5 hours ago, McJose said:

He's stuck his finger up my butt and cradled my beanbag so...

No finger stick anymore. There’s a blood test that is more accurate and too many fat finger docs were bruising ####

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I'm just surprised they didn't buy one of those readily available false identities.

I mean we all have a guy.

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11 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

SCOOP: Indicted pro-TRUMP Ukraine researcher LEV PARNAS told people he paid RUDY GIULIANI hundreds of thousands of dollars to work for his firm, Fraud Guarantee

 

 

writers have clearly gone out on strike. 

'Journalists' went on strike shortly before Jan  2009. Writers have taken over since....

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7 minutes ago, Sheriff Bart said:

I'm just surprised they didn't buy one of those readily available false identities.

I mean we all have a guy.

Rudy was their guy...

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5 minutes ago, Biff84 said:

Rudy was their guy...

I meant a makeup guy that can make confusing duplicates of yourself thanks to a Craigslist ad.  That's assuming one of the respondents isn't a murderer or something. It usually takes more time then.

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On 10/9/2019 at 10:06 PM, Don't Noonan said:

If Trump ever started hurting Americans I would not support him.  However, he is doing a superb job and helping America in so many ways.  He just needs to tone down the Twitter a bit and have some thicker skin.

So telling a foreign power to investigate 2 particular American citizens doesn't hurt those 2 citizens?

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[T]he mere fact that our corporate-controlled Congress is willing to take up the impeachment inquiry guarantees that it will produce no major reforms to better the lives of most Americans. Keep in mind that our national politics is dominated by two political parties that are beholden to the interests of big-money donors. Sure, there are a few members of Congress who don't rely on big donors, but they are the exception, and they do not control the agenda of their parties. Thus, rest assured that the big donors to Congress—big pharma, fossil fuel extractors, Wall Street, weapons manufacturers, agribusiness, big insurance, and for-profit health care—approve of its spending six months debating impeachment. Big business believes this impeachment inquiry will not threaten corporate profits or its ability to continue exerting control over government policy.

A dozen years ago, Speaker Pelosi rejected calls to begin an impeachment inquiry against President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney for lying us into the war in Iraq. The evidence there was clear and unambiguous. Bush and Cheney told the American people that there was "no doubt" that Iraqi president Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. In fact, as the Bush team knew, the evidence of Saddam's WMDs was highly dubious. It was based on the word of a paid informant named Curveball, and on a crudely forged invoice purporting to show Saddam buying uranium from Africa. Both Curveball and the invoice were exposed as frauds, but Bush and Cheney continued lying to sell the war.

Bush's lies resulted in the deaths of at least a million innocent people, the destruction of a country, and the creation of ISIS. He and Cheney committed monstrous crimes, similar to crimes resulting in the execution of German generals at Nuremberg after World War II. Why then did Speaker Pelosi announce in 2006 that impeachment was "off the table" for Bush? Because the big corporate donors didn't want impeachment hearings over the Iraq war. Rather, the arms manufacturers, fossil fuel extractors, and other war profiteers want our presidents to be free to lie us into wars without any negative repercussions for the president, such as criminal penalties or impeachment.

A great run-down by attorney @GoodmanLen of the problems w/ impeachment hype, including the fact that, posing no threat to billionaire ruling class, "it will produce no major reforms to better the lives of most Americans."

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49 minutes ago, ren hoek said:

[T]he mere fact that our corporate-controlled Congress is willing to take up the impeachment inquiry guarantees that it will produce no major reforms to better the lives of most Americans. Keep in mind that our national politics is dominated by two political parties that are beholden to the interests of big-money donors. Sure, there are a few members of Congress who don't rely on big donors, but they are the exception, and they do not control the agenda of their parties. Thus, rest assured that the big donors to Congress—big pharma, fossil fuel extractors, Wall Street, weapons manufacturers, agribusiness, big insurance, and for-profit health care—approve of its spending six months debating impeachment. Big business believes this impeachment inquiry will not threaten corporate profits or its ability to continue exerting control over government policy.

A dozen years ago, Speaker Pelosi rejected calls to begin an impeachment inquiry against President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney for lying us into the war in Iraq. The evidence there was clear and unambiguous. Bush and Cheney told the American people that there was "no doubt" that Iraqi president Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. In fact, as the Bush team knew, the evidence of Saddam's WMDs was highly dubious. It was based on the word of a paid informant named Curveball, and on a crudely forged invoice purporting to show Saddam buying uranium from Africa. Both Curveball and the invoice were exposed as frauds, but Bush and Cheney continued lying to sell the war.

Bush's lies resulted in the deaths of at least a million innocent people, the destruction of a country, and the creation of ISIS. He and Cheney committed monstrous crimes, similar to crimes resulting in the execution of German generals at Nuremberg after World War II. Why then did Speaker Pelosi announce in 2006 that impeachment was "off the table" for Bush? Because the big corporate donors didn't want impeachment hearings over the Iraq war. Rather, the arms manufacturers, fossil fuel extractors, and other war profiteers want our presidents to be free to lie us into wars without any negative repercussions for the president, such as criminal penalties or impeachment.

A great run-down by attorney @GoodmanLen of the problems w/ impeachment hype, including the fact that, posing no threat to billionaire ruling class, "it will produce no major reforms to better the lives of most Americans."

Because you will never impeach a President or get a conviction or civil verdict directly against a public official in his personal capacity when he is following the process necessary (even doing a horrible thing that shouldn’t be done and even lying while doing it) under the law. 
 

Bush was a horrible President. What we did after 2001 has been horrifying. But it is unlikely to ever reach “high crimes or misdemeanors” level.  
 

The best outcome of this process would not be impeachment. It will be if NY or SDNY convicts him for crimes billionaires usually get away with after he is impeached.  

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2 hours ago, BassNBrew said:

No finger stick anymore. There’s a blood test that is more accurate and too many fat finger docs were bruising ####

Ok

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3 hours ago, BassNBrew said:

No finger stick anymore. There’s a blood test that is more accurate and too many fat finger docs were bruising ####

Well, ####

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5 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

SCOOP: Indicted pro-TRUMP Ukraine researcher LEV PARNAS told people he paid RUDY GIULIANI hundreds of thousands of dollars to work for his firm, Fraud Guarantee

 

 

writers have clearly gone out on strike. 

wait, wut?

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5 hours ago, ren hoek said:

[T]he mere fact that our corporate-controlled Congress is willing to take up the impeachment inquiry guarantees that it will produce no major reforms to better the lives of most Americans. Keep in mind that our national politics is dominated by two political parties that are beholden to the interests of big-money donors. Sure, there are a few members of Congress who don't rely on big donors, but they are the exception, and they do not control the agenda of their parties. Thus, rest assured that the big donors to Congress—big pharma, fossil fuel extractors, Wall Street, weapons manufacturers, agribusiness, big insurance, and for-profit health care—approve of its spending six months debating impeachment. Big business believes this impeachment inquiry will not threaten corporate profits or its ability to continue exerting control over government policy.

A dozen years ago, Speaker Pelosi rejected calls to begin an impeachment inquiry against President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney for lying us into the war in Iraq. The evidence there was clear and unambiguous. Bush and Cheney told the American people that there was "no doubt" that Iraqi president Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. In fact, as the Bush team knew, the evidence of Saddam's WMDs was highly dubious. It was based on the word of a paid informant named Curveball, and on a crudely forged invoice purporting to show Saddam buying uranium from Africa. Both Curveball and the invoice were exposed as frauds, but Bush and Cheney continued lying to sell the war.

Bush's lies resulted in the deaths of at least a million innocent people, the destruction of a country, and the creation of ISIS. He and Cheney committed monstrous crimes, similar to crimes resulting in the execution of German generals at Nuremberg after World War II. Why then did Speaker Pelosi announce in 2006 that impeachment was "off the table" for Bush? Because the big corporate donors didn't want impeachment hearings over the Iraq war. Rather, the arms manufacturers, fossil fuel extractors, and other war profiteers want our presidents to be free to lie us into wars without any negative repercussions for the president, such as criminal penalties or impeachment.

A great run-down by attorney @GoodmanLen of the problems w/ impeachment hype, including the fact that, posing no threat to billionaire ruling class, "it will produce no major reforms to better the lives of most Americans."

With Trump in office and McConnell running interference in the Senate, no reforms to better our lives were being produced anyway, and they certainly wouldn't have been voted on if they did.

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Does Lindsey Graham still want Rudy Giuliani to testify in front of the Senate? I’m thinking yes, because honest fact-finding is important to him.

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7 hours ago, BassNBrew said:

No finger stick anymore. There’s a blood test that is more accurate and too many fat finger docs were bruising ####

What if I’m afraid of needles - can I still get the finger in my butt?  I mean, because of the being scared of needles.  

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11 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

I'd love to be at that first impeachment strategy meeting:

 

Aaron Blake @AaronBlake

“Trey Gowdy doesn’t know s***,” said Victoria Toensing, a lawyer who has been working with Giuliani. “He screwed up the Benghazi hearings, and he came out with the advice to Trump, ‘Well, if you’ve done nothing wrong, just talk to Bob Mueller.’”

The same Victoria Toensing who now represents Lev & Igor?

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12 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

Its hard to figure out this angle - could simply be that Barr was carrying the water for Trump - who has been complaining about FoxNews lately.

 

Or it could be that Barr is secretly planning a coup, and is lining up the state media to back him.

"So, tell me, Rupert...how would Fox News feel about a procedure under the 25th Amendment?"

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2 hours ago, Kal El said:

With Trump in office and McConnell running interference in the Senate, no reforms to better our lives were being produced anyway, and they certainly wouldn't have been voted on if they did.

And its not as of they stopped all work for this.

Its again like people complaining about speeding tickets asking the cops why they aren't out solving real crime.

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Can someone get Barr in front of Congress to explain why on a taxpayer funded trip, in the midst of a Presidential scandal, he met with a media mogul in his home? Is this too much to ask?

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There's so many nothing burgers flying this way and that that It's hard to keep track of all the high crimes and misdemeanors evidence piling up.

I don't know if this counts as well, but it is more evidence that we sorely need this new invention I just came up with.

Supported by a harness that goes over the neck and shoulders to provide stability for its reflective surface, the Relecto-dictment was designed so that every word spoken by its Republican wearer will be reflected back into their face in the form of an indictment for whatever crime they were just accusing someone else of. The law-abiding among us may finally have some peace and quiet.

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4 minutes ago, Stuart_Little said:

There's so many nothing burgers flying this way and that that It's hard to keep track of all the high crimes and misdemeanors evidence piling up.

I don't know if this counts as well, but it is more evidence that we sorely need this new invention I just came up with.

Supported by a harness that goes over the neck and shoulders to provide stability for its reflective surface, the Relecto-dictment was designed so that every word spoken by its Republican wearer will be reflected back into their face in the form of an indictment for whatever crime they were just accusing someone else of. The law-abiding among us may finally have some peace and quiet.

Yeah this letter strikes me as ridiculous.

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1 hour ago, AAABatteries said:

What if I’m afraid of needles - can I still get the finger in my butt?  I mean, because of the being scared of needles.  

I'm sure you can gb.

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8 hours ago, BassNBrew said:

No finger stick anymore. There’s a blood test that is more accurate and too many fat finger docs were bruising ####

 

7 hours ago, McJose said:

Ok

 

5 hours ago, strykerpks said:

Well, ####

On the plus side, you still get your balls throughly worked over.

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14 minutes ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

Yeah this letter strikes me as ridiculous.

Yeah, but you don't rely on Fox News for your opinions. Those who do will see it as iron-clad proof of the Deep State conspiracy to get Trump, which is its only purpose.

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Mike Pompeo’s senior advisor resigns

 

They’re dropping like flies.  If I’ve learned anything in life, it’s that you don’t want to be the last one out the door in this kind of situation.  Will be interesting to see who’s left to shut off the lights. 

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Just now, Otis said:

Mike Pompeo’s senior advisor resigns

 

They’re dropping like flies.  If I’ve learned anything in life, it’s that you don’t want to be the last one out the door in this kind of situation.  Will be interesting to see who’s left to shut off the lights. 

Likely to be the orange guy who can't figure out how to turn them off.

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13 minutes ago, Otis said:

Mike Pompeo’s senior advisor resigns

 

They’re dropping like flies.  If I’ve learned anything in life, it’s that you don’t want to be the last one out the door in this kind of situation.  Will be interesting to see who’s left to shut off the lights. 

McKinley had over 3 decades of diplomatic experience.

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4 hours ago, The Future Champs said:

wait, wut?

Stupid Watergate II: The Stupidest Watergate 

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26 minutes ago, Otis said:

Mike Pompeo’s senior advisor resigns

 

They’re dropping like flies.  If I’ve learned anything in life, it’s that you don’t want to be the last one out the door in this kind of situation.  Will be interesting to see who’s left to shut off the lights. 

He sighed as he flicked the light switch one last time. “They must never have replaced these bulbs,” he thought.  “I still look orange.”

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10 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

My colleague Mike Schmidt got an eyewitness account of the arrests in the Lufthansa lounge in the B concourse of Dulles International Airport on Wednesday. Here’s what he heard:

They were indulging themselves in the free drinks and food while talking on the phone and waiting for their overnight flight to Frankfurt. Around 5:45 p.m., the men and the other first class travelers were invited to board before all the other passengers. As they made their way down a corridor toward their plane, two plainclothes officers stepped out and stopped them. 

“We need to see your passports,” one of the officers said.

The passengers took them out, and the officers determined who was standing in front of them. Mr. Parnas and Mr. Fruman were told to turn around. As they made their way back into the terminal, they were greeted by a phalanx of uniformed and plainclothes officers who arrested them.

Wait.  I'm a bit fan of Schmidt.  He's done great reporting for the NYT.  But how the hell does he happen to be at the airport to get an eyewitness account of their arrests in the Lufthansa lounge in the B concourse at Dulles airport at 5:45 pm on a Wednesday?

If you know anything about DC, you know it's a fate worse than death to travel to Dulles between 3-7 on a weekday afternoon.  If you are doing it, you REALLY have to want to be there.

There is no way this was an accident.  There is 1000% chance he was tipped off.  I'm fascinated to know how this went down. 

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2 minutes ago, Sweet J said:

Wait.  I'm a bit fan of Schmidt.  He's done great reporting for the NYT.  But how the hell does he happen to be at the airport to get an eyewitness account of their arrests in the Lufthansa lounge in the B concourse at Dulles airport at 5:45 pm on a Wednesday?

If you know anything about DC, you know it's a fate worse than death to travel to Dulles between 3-7 on a weekday afternoon.  If you are doing it, you REALLY have to want to be there.

There is no way this was an accident.  There is 1000% chance he was tipped off.  I'm fascinated to know how this went down. 

I would imagine he went down immediately and interviewed someone who works in the lounge. 

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3 minutes ago, Sweet J said:

Wait.  I'm a bit fan of Schmidt.  He's done great reporting for the NYT.  But how the hell does he happen to be at the airport to get an eyewitness account of their arrests in the Lufthansa lounge in the B concourse at Dulles airport at 5:45 pm on a Wednesday?

If you know anything about DC, you know it's a fate worse than death to travel to Dulles between 3-7 on a weekday afternoon.  If you are doing it, you REALLY have to want to be there.

There is no way this was an accident.  There is 1000% chance he was tipped off.  I'm fascinated to know how this went down. 

Because he knew to follow them.  

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5 hours ago, The Future Champs said:

wait, wut?

i believe that the purported business is like insurance or protection against fraud.  but I remember reading about that a week or two ago and finding that name highly amusing.

 

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9 hours ago, ren hoek said:

Why then did Speaker Pelosi announce in 2006 that impeachment was "off the table" for Bush? Because the big corporate donors didn't want impeachment hearings over the Iraq war.

I always rather thought it was because he had some substantial support from both parties in both houses and he got a vote on it. The Curveball stuff was baked into the back side of the NIE which is more or less the kitchen sink of all intelligence estimates. You can read it now and see that war wasn't warranted, you could see what the UN did and know it wasn't warranted, and that's compounded by the fact many Congressmen didn't bother to personally read the NIE to begin with.

- eta - Though the 2006 decision led to the sweeping success of 2008, which makes her actions in 2019 before all this more consistent, which is another way to look at it. 

I guess more to the point it's remarkable to me - and it should be to you - that Mate, Greenwald, Tracey and Taibbi are running interference for Trump on what is essentially something they should all agree on. The Russia investigation was a complicated thing with difficult to prove connection from Trump to Manafort or Stone to Kilimnik etc etc, but here this is very clear what is going on. And yet here are the same trio banging away at a basic constitutional issue they should in principle be completely supporting. It's beyond weird.

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10 minutes ago, Sweet J said:

Wait.  I'm a bit fan of Schmidt.  He's done great reporting for the NYT.  But how the hell does he happen to be at the airport to get an eyewitness account of their arrests in the Lufthansa lounge in the B concourse at Dulles airport at 5:45 pm on a Wednesday?

If you know anything about DC, you know it's a fate worse than death to travel to Dulles between 3-7 on a weekday afternoon.  If you are doing it, you REALLY have to want to be there.

There is no way this was an accident.  There is 1000% chance he was tipped off.  I'm fascinated to know how this went down. 

guess you never saw him play?  guy has amazing timing, anticipation and instincts.  always where he needed to be to stop the ball.

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8 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

I would imagine he went down immediately and interviewed someone who works in the lounge. 

Oh, wait.  I misread the statement "my colleague Mike Schmidt got an eyewitness account."  I assumed the verb "got" meant that he actually was an eyewitness.  As in, "he got a bird's eye view to what happened."

Now that I re-read, it was probably intended as "my colleague Mike Schmidt obtained an eyewitness account from someone who saw the event.

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17 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

This sounds like an odd situation - and I would not read too much into it.

 

Included in that letter, Sondland will not be turning over documents - which suggests to me that the testimony will be given in an attempt to defend Trump here, without disclosing the documentary evidence that could support or refute that defense.

My personal preference would be for such a hearing to be behind closed doors, and conducted by staff attorneys as they attempt to identify relevant facts, witnesses, and documents.  A public hearing will be a sham - where both sides will be looking to score political points, rather than a good fact-finding hearing.

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15 hours ago, Henry Ford said:

Um. Rudy’s buddies were flying on one way tickets to Vienna. 
 

Rudy was supposed to go to Vienna the next day. But apparently wasn’t going to meet with them at all. 
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/10/rudy-giuliani-vienna/599833/

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But Giuliani, when confirming today that Parnas and Fruman were heading to Vienna on matters “related to their business,” told the Journal that he himself only had plans to meet with them when they returned to Washington. By this logic, Giuliani was also planning to fly to Vienna within roughly 24 hours of his business associates, but do no business with them while all three were there.

This morning, Giuliani told me he’d have to reschedule our lunch. I’ve tried to reach him since then, to discuss Parnas’s and Fruman’s arrests, among other things, to no avail. When I called at 3 p.m. ET to ask about his Vienna trip, a woman claiming to be his communications director answered the phone. I have called him more than 100 times over the past year, and this is the first time that has ever happened. She said she’d have to get back to me. As we spoke, I could hear a voice that resembled Giuliani’s shout “#######” in the background. “Oh, sorry,” the woman told me. “He was talking to the TV.”

Why were Parnas and Fruman bound for Vienna? Why was Giuliani—if what he told me was true—planning to be in the same city a day later?

Giuliani finally sent me a text message at 4:18 p.m. ET: “I can’t comment on it at this time.”

Apparently Fox broadcast that Giuliani had had lunch with Parnas and Fruman just before their departure for Vienna.

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