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***Official Donald J. Trump Impeachment (Whistleblower) Thread***

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3 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

These are consecutive sentences by the President of the United States.

 

And the elipsis between the last two sentences indicates that something was omitted there. I'd bet money that the whistleblower will fill in that gap and it won't be pretty for the POTUS.

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13 minutes ago, cosjobs said:

NY Post questions journalistic integrity of  WaPo and NYT . :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: " 

 

" Reports have said Biden used his VP position to demand that the inquiry be dropped and the prosecutor involved fired, or America would withhold aid." nice journalism here. Reports from whom? 

 

Well, that reporter you just were discussing for one.  And... uh... the President.  Probably Rudy.  That's three sources right there.  Run the story!

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4 minutes ago, jonessed said:

While I don’t think Trump should be asking for the investigation we can’t exactly ban other countries from their own investigations.

Nobody is asking for Ukraine to be banned from investigating things happening in their country.

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Just now, Workhorse said:

And the elipsis between the last two sentences indicates that something was omitted there. I'd bet money that the whistleblower will fill in that gap and it won't be pretty for the POTUS.

Yeah, I don't know if that's just "President trailed off and started a new sentence" or a missing statement.  It really doesn't matter.  There's no telling what will actually happen, but this is spectacular corruption.

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15 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

The difficult part, in my estimation, was going to be showing that Trump specifically asked for Joe Biden to be re-investigated, rather than for the situation to be investigated or for "Biden" to be investigated where he could say he meant Hunter.  And of course I never anticipated he'd bring Mueller and the Russia investigation into it.

This is odd to me.  He directly asked a foreign govt to investigate Biden.  I too was shocked when I read that and that it was released directly from the WH.  I mean, at this point the only thing their base believes is directly what he says "Here's the transcript, no quid pro quo" and people believe it, despite what's in it.

I'm actually surprised he released it, after reading it.

 

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2 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

This makes me feel better.  You still don't know what a prediction is.

Just saying your prediction rate on this subject is pretty meh

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8 minutes ago, ClownCausedChaos2 said:

I don't care what side you're on, can we please agree to stop ####### saying nothing burger?

I am getting tired of eating these nothing burgers, maybe we can move on to nothing tacos?

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Think about this time yesterday. People were remarking how fast this was developing. The assumption was that with all these Congressional men and women jumping in so rapidly to support the impeachment inquiry that the evidence must be crystal clear. Turns out it was just exuberance. They jumped without even seeing evidence. That's so indescribably dangerous. This country has to start operating with it's head and not it's wants and wishes. 

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44 minutes ago, timschochet said:

This is wrong. The lines themselves are impeachable. 

The more I read it, yes perhaps you are right.  My point was that the two sides read things totally differently. One with an "honorable voice" and one with a "nefarious voice".  But in this case, it seems that he's clearly asking Ukraine to investigate Biden.  Not much ambiguity there.

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27 minutes ago, timschochet said:

This can’t be stressed enough. 

Or he could still be obsessed with the Russian collusion issue & wants Bidens son to be put under as much scrutiny as his family was.  I remember hearing the scrutiny about that deal years ago when it happened, and thought it looked bad then.  I'm actually kind of hoping that Biden has to drop out because of this so Warren can get the spotlight.

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Just now, Weebs210 said:

Just saying your prediction rate on this subject is pretty meh

Yes, I read what you wrote.  My response was correctly typed based on it.

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I’m curious why Trump asked Ukraine to meet with his personal attorney (Rudy) rather than the state department.  That seems a little odd.  Why is his personal attorney getting involved in international affairs?

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5 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

Of course not. I never said anything about banning countries from doing something, so I'm not sure why you would even bring it up.

If Joe Biden committed a crime, then our own DOJ should be the one to handle that investigation.

OK, so Ukraine could investigate and/or our own DOJ could investigate.  That makes sense.

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15 minutes ago, apalmer said:

Where does he mention "truth" to Zelensky? I don't see that word used by Trump. Or are you suggesting he doesn't have to say that because it's implied?

“I would like to get to the bottom of it”  “if you can look into it” is generally synonymous 

adding “I would like to find out what happened”

 

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Just now, lakerstan said:

I’m curious why Trump asked Ukraine to meet with his personal attorney (Rudy) rather than the state department.  That seems a little odd.  Why is his personal attorney getting involved in international affairs?

Because it's campaign related.  

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6 minutes ago, ren hoek said:

No dude I love being lawyersplained about the GC to the DIA to the 21-Niner statutes and insulted as a redditor, it’s great when lawyers toot their own horns on here, please keep doing it 

Being condescended to is a natural consequence of saying stupid #### about subjects you don’t understand. There’s a pretty simple remedy for that. 

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6 minutes ago, Sheriff Bart said:

He just played the card he always does when in trouble. "Expect a China deal sooner than later". :lmao:

China is getting rich(er) at our expense.

 

Thanks Trump!

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Just now, Rove! said:

“I would like to get to the bottom of it”  “if you can look into it” is generally synonymous 

No it isn't, and it doesn't matter. The President asked a foreign leader to meet with his personal lawyer to discuss trying to investigate a political opponent. 

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This will ultimately help Trump because it will sink Biden.  Trump will get to face off agaisnt the socialist Warren and likely steamroll her.

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Meanwhile, the 4D Chess playing White House mistakenly sent out their party talking points to Democratic House members via email.

:lmao:

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1 minute ago, Mr Anonymous said:

Think about this time yesterday. People were remarking how fast this was developing. The assumption was that with all these Congressional men and women jumping in so rapidly to support the impeachment inquiry that the evidence must be crystal clear. Turns out it was just exuberance. They jumped without even seeing evidence. That's so indescribably dangerous. This country has to start operating with it's head and not it's wants and wishes. 

They were only a handful of votes holding it up prior.  All it took was a nudge.

Under the current circumstances an impeachment proceeding seems fairly meh.  I think it was largely inevitable.

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3 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said:

Think about this time yesterday. People were remarking how fast this was developing. The assumption was that with all these Congressional men and women jumping in so rapidly to support the impeachment inquiry that the evidence must be crystal clear. Turns out it was just exuberance. They jumped without even seeing evidence. That's so indescribably dangerous. This country has to start operating with it's head and not it's wants and wishes. 

Many democratic congressman were quetioned why they supported impeaching Trump yesterday and they said they didn't like his policies.  That is not what impeachment was for and a dangerous precedent to set.

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2 minutes ago, lakerstan said:

I’m curious why Trump asked Ukraine to meet with his personal attorney (Rudy) rather than the state department.  That seems a little odd.  Why is his personal attorney getting involved in international affairs?

 

1 minute ago, Henry Ford said:

Because it's campaign related.  

I've asked Trump followers this same question a few times, @Mr Anonymous most recently. Crickets. I'd like to hear a benign reason for involving his personal attorney in a foreign policy matter if it has nothing to do with Trump's campaign.

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1 minute ago, Don't Noonan said:

This will ultimately help Trump because it will sink Biden.  Trump will get to face off agaisnt the socialist Warren and likely steamroll her.

Scorpion and the frog.

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2 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

No it isn't, and it doesn't matter. The President asked a foreign leader to meet with his personal lawyer to discuss trying to investigate a political opponent. 

Forgot the part about the attorney general?

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2 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said:

Think about this time yesterday. People were remarking how fast this was developing. The assumption was that with all these Congressional men and women jumping in so rapidly to support the impeachment inquiry that the evidence must be crystal clear. Turns out it was just exuberance. They jumped without even seeing evidence. That's so indescribably dangerous. This country has to start operating with it's head and not it's wants and wishes. 

I don’t know how to make this any clearer. The memorandum of conversation has far more explicit evidence of impeachable conduct than even the most enthusiastic Democrats anticipated yesterday. Not one Democrat on the Hill is disappointed or underwhelmed. Ok, let’s exclude Tulsi Gabbard. 

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2 minutes ago, Workhorse said:

Meanwhile, the 4D Chess playing White House mistakenly sent out their party talking points to Democratic House members via email.

:lmao:

come on

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When the public learns that Trump mentioned Biden, they’re going to realize that this is a bad thing, an impeachable thing, right? They’re not going to act like Mr. Anonymous in this thread right? Because it seems to me that the whole reason this is different is because most people don’t need an explanation as to why this is wrong. And if that’s not the case we’re really ####ed as a nation, IMO. 

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Just now, Weebs210 said:

Forgot the part about the attorney general?

And didn’t the state department ask Giuliani to reach out?

 

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1 minute ago, Mr Anonymous said:

Think about this time yesterday. People were remarking how fast this was developing. The assumption was that with all these Congressional men and women jumping in so rapidly to support the impeachment inquiry that the evidence must be crystal clear. Turns out it was just exuberance. They jumped without even seeing evidence. That's so indescribably dangerous. This country has to start operating with it's head and not it's wants and wishes. 

There is enough evidence in that transcript alone for Democrats to impeach.  So any danger that it would be a nothing burger is already alleviated.  

Another point is part of the reason the Democrats did this was because the Administration wasn’t providing requested documents timely or at all.  This transcript wouldn’t have come out today without yesterday’s action.

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Just now, Henry Ford said:

No it isn't, and it doesn't matter. The President asked a foreign leader to meet with his personal lawyer to discuss trying to investigate a political opponent. 

Lets not forget that said personal lawyer has said he was meeting with Ukrainians to "help his client":

May 2019

Mr. Giuliani said he plans to travel to Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, in the coming days and wants to meet with the nation’s president-elect to urge him to pursue inquiries that allies of the White House contend could yield new information about two matters of intense interest to Mr. Trump.

One is the origin of the special counsel’s investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. The other is the involvement of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s son in a gas company owned by a Ukrainian oligarch.

Mr. Giuliani’s plans create the remarkable scene of a lawyer for the president of the United States pressing a foreign government to pursue investigations that Mr. Trump’s allies hope could help him in his re-election campaign. And it comes after Mr. Trump spent more than half of his term facing questions about whether his 2016 campaign conspired with a foreign power.

“We’re not meddling in an election, we’re meddling in an investigation, which we have a right to do,” Mr. Giuliani said in an interview on Thursday when asked about the parallel to the special counsel’s inquiry.

“There’s nothing illegal about it,” he said. “Somebody could say it’s improper. And this isn’t foreign policy — I’m asking them to do an investigation that they’re doing already and that other people are telling them to stop. And I’m going to give them reasons why they shouldn’t stop it because that information will be very, very helpful to my client, and may turn out to be helpful to my government.”

 

 

Side note - I don't know how this will square with Rudy's recent proclamation that he only got involved at the behest of the State Department - but that is an issue for another day.

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1 minute ago, Weebs210 said:

Forgot the part about the attorney general?

No, I didn't. 

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Just now, Rove! said:

And didn’t the state department ask Giuliani to reach out?

 

Seems unlikely...

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2 minutes ago, Weebs210 said:
5 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

No it isn't, and it doesn't matter. The President asked a foreign leader to meet with his personal lawyer to discuss trying to investigate a political opponent. 

Forgot the part about the attorney general?

That makes it worse. You realize that, don't you?

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1 minute ago, Rove! said:

And didn’t the state department ask Giuliani to reach out?

 

Sorry, your actual response is that a section of the government that works under the President called and asked the President's lawyer to take a call from a foreign leader (as Giuliani and Giuliani alone claims) and you think that's evidence that this isn't corruption?

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3 minutes ago, joffer said:

come on

Jake Sherman

@JakeSherman

The White House has sent some House Democrats their talking points on the Zelensky transcript.

Jake Sherman

@JakeSherman

8m

The White House is trying to “recall” the talking points they sent to democrats.

 

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Just now, [scooter] said:

That makes it worse. You realize that, don't you?

Narrator: I wish people would stop asking these kinds of questions.  I have other work to do.

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3 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Schiff: this was a Mafia like shakedown of a foreign leader. 

:lmao: That guy just can't help himself from lying.  

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6 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

Many democratic congressman were quetioned why they supported impeaching Trump yesterday and they said they didn't like his policies.  That is not what impeachment was for and a dangerous precedent to set.

Which ones? Be precise please.

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1 minute ago, timschochet said:

Yeah I read that one this morning. I actually agreed with Goodwin on one point: we both made the assumption that Trump would never release that transcript if it was damning. 

We were both wrong. 

It wasn't damning

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Looks like Rudy thinks the State Department asked him to step in, but they seem to have claimed otherwise.

Rudy Giuliani told Sean Hannity on Fox News Monday night that his recent dealings with Ukraine were initiated by the State Department.

"The State Department called me and said would I take a call from Mr. [Andriy] Yermak, who's No. 2 or three to the president-elect who is now the president," said Giuliani, one of President Trump's personal attorneys.

Giuliani said he then spoke with Yermak and that he then passed along the "enormously important facts" to the State Department.

When reached for comment, a State Department spokesperson said, "Mr. Giuliani is a private citizen and acts in a personal capacity as a lawyer for President Trump. He does not speak on behalf of the U.S. Government."

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/462761-giuliani-says-state-department-asked-him-to-take-call-from-ukrainian-official

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2 minutes ago, timschochet said:

When the public learns that Trump mentioned Biden, they’re going to realize that this is a bad thing, an impeachable thing, right? They’re not going to act like Mr. Anonymous in this thread right? Because it seems to me that the whole reason this is different is because most people don’t need an explanation as to why this is wrong. And if that’s not the case we’re really ####ed as a nation, IMO. 

I still wonder about that.  I’m concerned that swing voters might still think a quid pro quo is needed.  Hopefully we’ll start seeing polls on this stuff.  What happens with Trump’s approval rating will also be interesting.

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8 minutes ago, Workhorse said:

Meanwhile, the 4D Chess playing White House mistakenly sent out their party talking points to Democratic House members via email.

:lmao:

No ####### way :lmao:

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Just now, Don't Noonan said:

:lmao: That guy just can't help himself from lying.  

He’s killing it. Just killing it. And as to lying, you’re welcome to show your work. 

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1 minute ago, Sammy3469 said:

Which ones? Be precise please.

Not sure, heard an interview from Rubio last night talking about it.

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Jennifer Bendery

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Pelosi's shop confirms the White House sent them a copy of their talking points on Trump/Ukraine -- and then followed up with a "recall" email

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3 minutes ago, timschochet said:

When the public learns that Trump mentioned Biden, they’re going to realize that this is a bad thing, an impeachable thing, right? They’re not going to act like Mr. Anonymous in this thread right? Because it seems to me that the whole reason this is different is because most people don’t need an explanation as to why this is wrong. And if that’s not the case we’re really ####ed as a nation, IMO. 

You underestimate the malleability of human beings, especially when tribal politics are involved.

All Trump has to do is tell his supporters "Joe Biden should be investigated!" and they will fall in line.

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7 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Schiff: this was a Mafia like shakedown of a foreign leader. 

Not a good one.  In good ones the Don uses a buffer and makes them an offer they can't refuse.  Here, no buffers and a fairly crappy, pedestrian offer. No, I judge this to be far too ham-handed for a Mafia shakedown. I mean credit where credit is due.

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