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***Official Donald J. Trump Impeachment (Whistleblower) Thread***

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1 hour ago, badmojo1006 said:

I wish there was an emoji of an Ostrich with his head stuck in the sand

emojis are frowned upon here.

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3 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Yeah I read that one this morning. I actually agreed with Goodwin on one point: we both made the assumption that Trump would never release that transcript if it was damning. 

We were both wrong. 

"Knowing all of this, is anybody dumb enough to believe that I would say something inappropriate with a foreign leader while on such a potentially “heavily populated” call."

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20 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said:

And that's not because I'm a fan of Trump. I just realize what this sets up for the future. It's a horrible can of worms being opened here.

Consider this: it's much, much more dangerous for this to go un-checked. 

1. Congress has a constitutional obligation to perform oversight over the executive branch.  They have to do this.  An un-checked president is a dictator.

2. it cannot be ok for presidents to leverage the power of their office to trash political rivals.  It's worse that he uses a foreign county to do so, it's even worse that he attempts to use Congressionally appropriated funds to force the issue.

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Just now, timschochet said:

He’s killing it. Just killing it. And as to lying, you’re welcome to show your work. 

I already have.  Schiff claimed repeatedly that he had hard evidence of collusion between Russia and Trump.  How can you defend that lie?  

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4 minutes ago, Workhorse said:
8 minutes ago, joffer said:

come on

Jake Sherman

@JakeSherman

The White House has sent some House Democrats their talking points on the Zelensky transcript.

Jake Sherman

@JakeSherman

8m

The White House is trying to “recall” the talking points they sent to democrats.

Good thing the Democrats don't use AOL anymore.

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1 hour ago, The Dude said:

Zelensky seems to be a heck of a guy - fighting corruption at home and abroad.

A true hero

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1 minute ago, Workhorse said:

Jennifer Bendery

@jbendery

Pelosi's shop confirms the White House sent them a copy of their talking points on Trump/Ukraine -- and then followed up with a "recall" email

I can just hear the theme to Benny Hill playing...

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30 minutes ago, tri-man 47 said:

...investigated by the Ukrainians???  Say that to yourself out loud. 

Who cares?  We should all want to know what the truth is at the end of the day.  But politics

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1 minute ago, moleculo said:

Consider this: it's much, much more dangerous for this to go un-checked. 

1. Congress has a constitutional obligation to perform oversight over the executive branch.  They have to do this.  An un-checked president is a dictator.

2. it cannot be ok for presidents to leverage the power of their office to trash political rivals.  It's worse that he uses a foreign county to do so, it's even worse that he attempts to use Congressionally appropriated funds to force the issue.

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Just now, Ramblin Wreck said:

Who cares?  We should all want to know what the truth is at the end of the day.  But politics

Not by blackmailing another country by stealing funds appropriated to them.

Nobody should ever trust such info.

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4 minutes ago, lakerstan said:

Looks like Rudy thinks the State Department asked him to step in, but they seem to have claimed otherwise.

Rudy Giuliani told Sean Hannity on Fox News Monday night that his recent dealings with Ukraine were initiated by the State Department.

"The State Department called me and said would I take a call from Mr. [Andriy] Yermak, who's No. 2 or three to the president-elect who is now the president," said Giuliani, one of President Trump's personal attorneys.

Giuliani said he then spoke with Yermak and that he then passed along the "enormously important facts" to the State Department.

When reached for comment, a State Department spokesperson said, "Mr. Giuliani is a private citizen and acts in a personal capacity as a lawyer for President Trump. He does not speak on behalf of the U.S. Government."

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/462761-giuliani-says-state-department-asked-him-to-take-call-from-ukrainian-official

Uhhh they didn't claim otherwise. All they said is he does not speak for us.

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2 minutes ago, lakerstan said:
4 minutes ago, Workhorse said:

Jennifer Bendery

@jbendery

Pelosi's shop confirms the White House sent them a copy of their talking points on Trump/Ukraine -- and then followed up with a "recall" email

I can just hear the theme to Benny Hill playing...

I was thinking more along the lines of Big Top circus music myself :lol: 

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1 minute ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

Who cares?  We should all want to know what the truth is at the end of the day.  But politics

Why didn't Trump have the FBI, with the leader he appointed, or the DOJ, with the leader he appointed, investigate Biden and his son?  Why turn to the Ukranian leader. There are processes in place to investigate.  I'll hang up now and pretend I think you'll give an actual answer.

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1 hour ago, Ramsay Hunt Experience said:

 

Trump could ask the GRU to assassinate Mitt Romney and 2/3 of this Senate wouldn’t vote to remove him from office. That says nothing about the seriousness of the charges and everything about the character of the Senate majority. 

Not even Romney would vote to remove him from office in this example

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1 minute ago, Don't Noonan said:

I already have.  Schiff claimed repeatedly that he had hard evidence of collusion between Russia and Trump.  How can you defend that lie?  

He said there was direct evidence. There was. The Goldstein emails were direct evidence of collusion. The Mueller report explicitly stated that the decision that there was insufficient evidence to charge conspiracy was not a conclusion that there was no evidence of conspiracy. 

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2 minutes ago, Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
4 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

Not sure, heard an interview from Rubio last night talking about it.

Oh for Pete’s sake. 

You should know the drill by now.

Any thing said by any Republican is automatically assumed to be indisputable fact, forever and ever, amen.

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That transcript may be the most damning evidence of a crime ever seen from a US President. And to learn that it's not a verbatim transcript and that was the watered down, White House version, is mind boggling. Just imagine the actual conversation! 

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4 minutes ago, Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
6 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

Not sure, heard an interview from Rubio last night talking about it.

Oh for Pete’s sake. 

Not THAT Rubio....the congressman one...who's a democrat.  You know.....that guy

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By Robert Costa

September 25 at 12:03 PM

Several Senate Republicans were stunned Wednesday and questioned the White House’s judgment after it released a rough transcript of President Trump’s call with the Ukraine president that showed Trump offering the help of the U.S. attorney general to investigate Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden.

One Senate Republican, who requested anonymity to speak candidly, said the transcript’s release was a “huge mistake” that the GOP now has to confront, even as they argue that House Democrats are overreaching with their impeachment effort.

A top Senate GOP aide said Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is expecting Wednesday’s closed-door lunch to be eventful and possibly tense as Republicans react to the transcript and debate their next step.

“It remains troubling in the extreme. It’s deeply troubling,” Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) told reporters Wednesday, when asked about the transcript.

 

Three Senate GOP aides said Wednesday that their bosses were grousing and frustrated by the White House’s decision and the sense that Republican lawmakers were being forced into the difficult position of defending Trump while contending with what many see as an alarming or at least problematic transcript.

But other Senate Republicans, allied with Trump, were dismissive. “Wow. Impeachment over this?” Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) tweeted. “What a nothing (non-quid pro quo) burger.”

While many Republicans continue to dismiss Democrats’ impeachment efforts, cracks have begun to emerge privately as GOP lawmakers have discussed Trump’s conduct and their party’s political standing — and those fault lines could foreshadow how Senate Republicans ultimately handle a trial, should the House impeach the president, according to several lawmakers and aides.

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1 minute ago, Weebs210 said:

Uhhh they didn't claim otherwise. All they said is he does not speak for us.

They claim he doesn't act on behalf of the government, but only as a private citizen representing his client Donald Trump.

Donald Trump used the office of the Presidency to have his personal lawyer meet with a foreign leader to discuss an investigation into a political rival.

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3 minutes ago, lakerstan said:

Looks like Rudy thinks the State Department asked him to step in, but they seem to have claimed otherwise.

Rudy Giuliani told Sean Hannity on Fox News Monday night that his recent dealings with Ukraine were initiated by the State Department.

"The State Department called me and said would I take a call from Mr. [Andriy] Yermak, who's No. 2 or three to the president-elect who is now the president," said Giuliani, one of President Trump's personal attorneys.

Giuliani said he then spoke with Yermak and that he then passed along the "enormously important facts" to the State Department.

When reached for comment, a State Department spokesperson said, "Mr. Giuliani is a private citizen and acts in a personal capacity as a lawyer for President Trump. He does not speak on behalf of the U.S. Government."

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/462761-giuliani-says-state-department-asked-him-to-take-call-from-ukrainian-official

State Department going into CYA mode here.

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7 minutes ago, lakerstan said:

Looks like Rudy thinks the State Department asked him to step in, but they seem to have claimed otherwise.

Rudy Giuliani told Sean Hannity on Fox News Monday night that his recent dealings with Ukraine were initiated by the State Department.

"The State Department called me and said would I take a call from Mr. [Andriy] Yermak, who's No. 2 or three to the president-elect who is now the president," said Giuliani, one of President Trump's personal attorneys.

Giuliani said he then spoke with Yermak and that he then passed along the "enormously important facts" to the State Department.

When reached for comment, a State Department spokesperson said, "Mr. Giuliani is a private citizen and acts in a personal capacity as a lawyer for President Trump. He does not speak on behalf of the U.S. Government."

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/462761-giuliani-says-state-department-asked-him-to-take-call-from-ukrainian-official

This is just too good. I can't wait to see the SNL sketch on this one. 

State department: "#######it, Rudy, shut the #### up."

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2 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

State Department going into CYA mode here.

Rudy is going to plead senile in the not too distant future.

I think he has a good case.

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1 minute ago, Sammy3469 said:

So by “many” you actually mean none of them.  Stop making #### up.

Not making anything up, reporting what I heard Rubio say.  Extremely disgusting act by Democrats if true.  Very believable based on their actions the past 3 years.

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14 minutes ago, Workhorse said:

Jake Sherman

@JakeSherman

The White House has sent some House Democrats their talking points on the Zelensky transcript.

Jake Sherman

@JakeSherman

8m

The White House is trying to “recall” the talking points they sent to democrats.

 

Stupid Watergate indeed :D

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31 minutes ago, shader said:

I think many would disagree with you on that.  

They are seeing something that is clearly not there

real quid pro quo is when Biden says fire the prosecutor or you are not getting the money

asking to get to the bottom of something is an honorable request and since he is asking that of a man who ran on honesty, no quid pro quo is required to get Zelensky to do the right thing here and discover the truth.

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1 minute ago, Sinn Fein said:

Rudy is going to plead senile in the not too distant future.

I think he has a good case.

Might be the most honest thing he's claimed in two years.

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Byron Tau‏Verified account @ByronTau

The Justice Department acknowledges in a statement that its public integrity section reviewed whether Trump committed a potential violation of federal campaign finance law. The criminal division closed the matter by taking no action.

7:11 AM - 25 Sep 2019

This is NOT the way this works.

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3 minutes ago, Ramsay Hunt Experience said:

Ghost of Romney:  “This raises troubling questions ...”

Noonan: He asked them to put Romney down for a nap, how was Trump supposed to know they’d kill him?

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4 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

By Robert Costa

September 25 at 12:03 PM

Several Senate Republicans were stunned Wednesday and questioned the White House’s judgment after it released a rough transcript of President Trump’s call with the Ukraine president that showed Trump offering the help of the U.S. attorney general to investigate Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden.

One Senate Republican, who requested anonymity to speak candidly, said the transcript’s release was a “huge mistake” that the GOP now has to confront, even as they argue that House Democrats are overreaching with their impeachment effort.

A top Senate GOP aide said Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is expecting Wednesday’s closed-door lunch to be eventful and possibly tense as Republicans react to the transcript and debate their next step.

“It remains troubling in the extreme. It’s deeply troubling,” Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) told reporters Wednesday, when asked about the transcript.

 

Three Senate GOP aides said Wednesday that their bosses were grousing and frustrated by the White House’s decision and the sense that Republican lawmakers were being forced into the difficult position of defending Trump while contending with what many see as an alarming or at least problematic transcript.

But other Senate Republicans, allied with Trump, were dismissive. “Wow. Impeachment over this?” Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) tweeted. “What a nothing (non-quid pro quo) burger.”

While many Republicans continue to dismiss Democrats’ impeachment efforts, cracks have begun to emerge privately as GOP lawmakers have discussed Trump’s conduct and their party’s political standing — and those fault lines could foreshadow how Senate Republicans ultimately handle a trial, should the House impeach the president, according to several lawmakers and aides.

These guys have obviously never learned the secret shared by so many here at FBGs -- you just never ever acknowledge that anything the Worst President Ever does is wrong. There's always an excuse.

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5 minutes ago, Sammy3469 said:

So by “many” you actually mean none of them.  Stop making #### up.

By his posting style I'm begining to think DN is an alias for the Donald to post here

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Just now, JuniorNB said:

So will GOP leadership talk him into resigning?  

:lmao:

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Just now, Rove! said:

They are seeing something that is clearly not there

real quid pro quo is when Biden says fire the prosecutor or you are not getting the money

asking to get to the bottom of something is an honorable request and since he is asking that of a man who ran on honesty, no quid pro quo is required to get Zelensky to do the right thing here are discover the truth.

:goodposting:Well of course you are correct.  Do you expect the same folks who think Trump should be impeached over Russiagate to actually be partial on this?  No chance.  They stormed the castle with their pitch forks last night and there is no turning back.  It is hilarious to watch.

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2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

This is NOT the way this works.

It is if you want to keep your job during a Trump presidency.

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4 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

Not making anything up, reporting what I heard Rubio say.  Extremely disgusting act by Democrats if true.  Very believable based on their actions the past 3 years.

Cite?

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4 minutes ago, Rove! said:

They are seeing something that is clearly not there

real quid pro quo is when Biden says fire the prosecutor or you are not getting the money

asking to get to the bottom of something is an honorable request and since he is asking that of a man who ran on honesty, no quid pro quo is required to get Zelensky to do the right thing here are discover the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNvmWYA-ZPg

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16 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

Schiff claimed repeatedly that he had hard evidence of collusion between Russia and Trump. 

Quote

Schiff: “I gather you believe knowingly accepting foreign assistance during a presidential campaign is an unethical thing to do.”

Mueller: “And a crime in given circumstances."

Schiff: "...also unpatriotic."

Mueller: "True."

Fyi.

- Note this is the third time that Trump has been referred to the DOJ or Congress for campaign finance violations and obstruction:

  • Mueller to Congress - obstruction, Lewandowski, Stone, Manafort, Flynn, Trump.
  • SDNY to DOJ - Cohen-Trump.
  • The IC IF Atkinson to DOJ & Congress - Giuliani-Trump.
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1 minute ago, squistion said:

Who says it was a lie? Mueller may have had hard evidence of collusion with Trump and Russia but was prohibited from bringing any charges because in his view a sitting President can not be indicted.

Read the report!

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4 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

So will GOP leadership talk him into resigning?  

You have GOT to be kidding.  

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2 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

It is if you want to keep your job during a Trump presidency.

I don't think that's what happened here. With the Mueller report Barr never did any kind of DOJ analysis by staff. There is no analysis here either I'm sure. This is likely Barr and all Barr.

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Fyi.

- Note this is the third time that Trump has been referred to the DOJ or Congress for campaign finance violations and obstruction:

  • Mueller to Congress - obstruction, Lewandowski, Stone, Manafort, Flynn, Trump.
  • SDNY to DOJ - Cohen-Trump.
  • The IC IF Atkinson to DOJ & Congress - Giuliani-Trump.

NO CONSPIRACY/COLLUSION

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1 minute ago, JuniorNB said:

So will GOP leadership talk him into resigning?  

That ship has probably sailed. They may not win with him next year but they certainly won't win without him. From their POV, it might be better to lay low, let him go out with a howl of hate, agony and persecution but in splendid isolation and pretend six months later to "never liked that guy anyway."

Or what Sinn said above.

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