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***Official Donald J. Trump Impeachment (Whistleblower) Thread*** (12 Viewers)
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apalmer
Footballguy
The GOP has adopted the Charles Manson approach: Scream and disrupt proceedings as much as possible in hopes that the the jury (or, in this case, the American public) will only remember the distractions and not the evidence.
The Commish
Footballguy
I guess guys.....the only thing that I've gleaned from this whole circus is hypocrisy knows no bounds. It's bizarre to me that in one moment the GOP is clamouring for second hand testimony from the whistleblower, then in the next moment they are upset that Schiff's staff lawyer is there giving second hand testimony. Then, in alternate universe A, they are clamouring for first hand testimony all the while remaining silent on Pompeo, Mulvany. Bolton etc not testifying....so weird.
skol asylum
Footballguy
Questioning the lawyers as witnesses seems weird to me.
ren hoek
Footballguy
Cartoonist Ted Rall @TedRall
I hate Donald Trump but try as I might, and I really have tried, I just can’t get angry about the allegation that he thought about not sending hundreds of million dollars to Ukraine. Too bad he wasn’t sending it to Dayton…
I hate Donald Trump but try as I might, and I really have tried, I just can’t get angry about the allegation that he thought about not sending hundreds of million dollars to Ukraine. Too bad he wasn’t sending it to Dayton…
Congress allocated that money, ergo he had no right to withhold it from them for personal reasons.
sho nuff
Footballguy
sho nuff
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ren hoek
Footballguy
Maybe they should. I’m sure me and Rall aren’t the only independents finding it hard to give a rat’s ### about Ukraine getting $400 million. It’s a privileged boutique issue to people that don’t consume the Trump 24/7 news cycle. Americans won’t care enough to move the needle, impeachment will fail, and it will ultimately help Trump.
The Commish
Footballguy
I also like that the GOP is up in arms about staffers being there yet sent their own staffers
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I'd imagine that would be much less concerning, if that was an accurate description of what he's being impeached over.
joffer
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
Curious where the monetary threshold falls for you and like minded independents. Like what if it was 2 billion? Would you care then? Or what if it was a non-former Soviet state ally?
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I don't find it terribly disconcerting when someone tries to give money to an independent businessman. Now, if the money is being given to him in exchange for plutonium 239, I do have some misgivings. And they're not really about the money.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
The hypocrisy is insane. Literally contradict themselves in the same sentence sometimes.
That one guy
Footballguy
It’s hard to be sympathetic to lamenting ability to question Schiff under oath when Trump isn’t allowing testimony from those in his inner orbit
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
I"m not asking a question I'm just spewing untrue accusations and I don't want Goldman to reply to them.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Or Hunter Biden being handed a cushy job when two of Trump's children and SIL hold some of the most powerful positions in the country. I thought we were OUTRAGED that Goldman isn't an elected official?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
Listening to a lot of this in the car. Goldman’s voice sounds just like Doug Neidermeyer.
Zow
Footballguy
No. It's not even a valid objection. The objection would be "argumentative."
I'll admit, though, I have seen an actual attorney make the badgering objection. It was a big
moment for all involved.
Zow
Footballguy
He seems to just want to withdraw everything.
Which, by the way, isn't a real technique either. In other words, if a lawyers asks an improper question, all is not forgiven if the lawyer moves to withdraw it.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
It really isn't about Ukraine getting $400 million. It boils down to whether or not your okay with the President withholding the money for his own political gain.
ren hoek
Footballguy
Wouldn’t care if it was 14 trillion dollars- I never agreed with the policy in the first place. Obama refused to send lethal weaponry to Ukraine, presumably because he found it too provocative- I agreed with his aversion to arming Ukraine against a nuclear superpower. That Trump has been more hawkish with Ukraine/Russia hasn’t really been discussed here.
The Nuland state dept. provided support to neonazi-linked militants in Ukraine prior to the Maidan revolution. This was the same political party that was so popular in Ukraine it just got wiped out by a TV actor. Ultimately, Ukraine got the money and Trump didn’t get his investigation. It’s just bizarre how this military escalation has been presupposed as the correct policy- independently of whether Trump’s behavior was corrupt.
Of all things, this is the thing they move to impeach Trump over. This is the thing that sidelines all else for the big TV spectacle. It comes across like a political party that is out of touch with issues that actually matter to the working class.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
The thing they're moving to impeach him over is trying to force a foreign leader to open a sham investigation into his political opponent to damage him in the upcoming election in exchange for official presidential acts.
adonis
Footballguy
How about having a president use his time and power to help the working class, rather than using his power to advance his own personal political interests, while adversely affecting the interests of an ally.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
If the Trump administration opposed the policy of Ukrainian aid and was withholding the funds for substantive reasons, we wouldn't be having this debate. They didn't give any reasons, didn't go through the normal processes and procedures, etc.
That should bother you. If Presidents can openly hijack foreign policy for personal political gain, our republic is at risk.
adonis
Footballguy
The USA is not Trumps personal piggy bank whose money is his to do with as he wishes, and benefit him in whatever way he sees fit.
Funding to key allies should not be used as leverage by him to achieve personal political goals for the 2020 election. Here he is again attempting to get help from a foreign government to influence a domestic US election. How many times do we need to see him do this kind of thing before we say enough? This isn't how a president should behave. This isn't what a president should do with the power we gave him. This isn't how a president should approach free and fair elections at home.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Purposely misrepresenting the democrats as the liberals they are today instead of the conservatives they were at the time trying to impeach Lincoln is disgraceful, McClintock.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Dynamite drop in Ms. Lesko.
ren hoek
Footballguy
Perhaps if I didn’t think it was already runofthemill stuff for the US to extort foreign govts to get what it wants- whether it’s to serve the defense or oil industries- I would find it to be a bigger deal. That kind of extortion, theft, and violence is ok of course. This is the sort of shake-down international crime syndicate stuff the US does all the time.
I question how ethical Trump’s motives were to raise the idea of investigating the Bidens, but the truth is I really just don’t care that much. The Bidens ARE corrupt- Joe backed an illegal overthrow in Ukraine and then his son got a cush job 2 months later after daddy became the new boss in town. That’s corruption. There’s no victims here. Trump shouldn’t have been so hamfisted but the Bidens aren’t above scrutiny either.
I wouldn’t say I’m okay with what he did, but I think it’s absurd to suggest it warrants impeachment and removal from office.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
1. It isn’t out of the ordinary for the US to strong arm a country for what it wants. It’s out of the ordinary for the US to strong arm a country for something specifically for the president personally, rather than what “the US” wants.
2. Hunter’s probably corrupt. He’s also the source of great shame to his family, which doesn’t really like him. That doesn’t make Joe corrupt. I’ve got a drug addict brother. If he asked me to help him do something illegal I would probably call the police. Same kind of idea.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Meanwhile..... Giuliani is still in Ukraine.
Gaetz says Giuliani’s trip to Ukraine is ‘weird’
Gaetz says it's weird. Think about that.
Gaetz says Giuliani’s trip to Ukraine is ‘weird’
Gaetz says it's weird. Think about that.
cosjobs
Footballguy
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I agree that it's likely HBiden is corrupt. What I find impossible to reconcile is the idea that Republicans are able to conclude that HBiden is corrupt despite very little actual evidence, yet somehow they become obtuse despite the mountain of evidence implicating Trump's corruption.
It's enough to make one wonder if they are acting in good faith.
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urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Sheriff Bart
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
Who had money on Trump being impeached by 12/31?
Gonna make some scratch.
Gonna make some scratch.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
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