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It is un-American to use the power of the Federal government to investigate private citizens without probable cause.
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***Official Donald J. Trump Impeachment (Whistleblower) Thread*** (11 Viewers)
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I wish one of the Democrats would have asked “Do you think that if the committee had had access to the documents subpoenaed and Bolton, Giuliani, Pompeo and Mulvany would have testified they might of found enough evidence to impeach.”
Jackstraw
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It’s boring man. Up your game.
Like you actually give one flip about Hunter Biden. Please.
Henry Ford
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Mister CIA
Footballguy
We're on the verge of legalizing the act of corrupting the American election process by means of technology financed by foreign governments and criminal interests. There's no slippery slope at the cliff's edge.
Feeling kinda bummed.
Feeling kinda bummed.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Like the President is obstructing justice related to a hearing of a Congressional committee?
Sounds like the President is acting like a king. I guess if I were Speaker of the House I’d tell him if he didn’t stop I’d introduce articles of impeachment for obstruction.
And if he still didn’t stop I’d file articles of impeachment for obstruction.
Mister CIA
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Don't Noonan
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SaintsInDome2006
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>>Andrey Yermak: Hi Kurt. Please let me know when you can talk. I think it’s possible to make this declaration and mention all these things. Which we discussed yesterday. But it will be logic to do after we receive a confirmation of date. We inform about date of visit and about our expectations and our guarantees for future visit. Let discuss it<<
- Unfortunately for Yermak he has texts that say otherwise. And there was the meeting in Madrid.
I don’t blame the Ukrainians. They’re in a lousy situation.
Mister CIA
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Mister CIA
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[scooter]
Footballguy
I would agree, but thankfully the Horowitz Report did not find anything illegal about the investigation into the Trump campaign.
I would also state that it's un-American to justify one illegal act because you think that another illegal act took place. (For reference, please see the famous Supreme Court case of Two Wrongs v One Right.)
Henry Ford
Footballguy
The courts have ruled on this issue as a result of Congress requesting that they do so in the past. In Nixon and in Meiers. When we’re dealing with allegations that the President is trying to get a foreign power to interfere in an upcoming election, it is ridiculous to suggest that Congress should ask them to rule on it again 2 years or so from now.
The short answer is, there is no correlary in political history to the allegations currently on the table. Allegations which have no counter because the President is obstructing any information from his office and administration.
He is also welcome to file a lawsuit to declare himself correct in not having to turn over anything at all. He has not done so to my knowledge. Likely because he is obviously wrong and the Courts have previously ruled on this issue. And because delay is the point of what he’s doing.
He simply refused. And Congress is simply going to impeach him.
lardonastick
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Henry Ford
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Henry Ford
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@quick-hands
Let’s say your wife finds lipstick on your collar and a woman’s underwear in your pocket. She demands to see your phone and wants to question you as to where you have been.
If you refuse those do you think she will try to force you or just leave you?
Let’s say your wife finds lipstick on your collar and a woman’s underwear in your pocket. She demands to see your phone and wants to question you as to where you have been.
If you refuse those do you think she will try to force you or just leave you?
Don't Noonan
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Don't Noonan
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[scooter]
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If it was spying, then it was legal spying. That's what the Horowitz Report has essentially concluded.
You know how we know that it was legal? Because the AG hasn't charged anyone with a crime for spying.
This is similar to the wishcasting over Hillary's emails. (Remember "Lock her up"? Seems so long ago doesn't it.) The conspiracy is fueled by promises of a great reveal soon (very soon!). And when the reveal doesn't happen, the goalposts are moved and new promises are made.
[scooter]
Footballguy
The President does not have full authority to violate the Constitution to pursue his foreign issues.
Henry Ford
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Co-equal in part means some autonomy. You don’t get to force someone into the acts you want them to, but you do get to choose your own behavior.
In exigent circumstances, knowing we know the law on subpoenas and such, there is no need for a court filing. It’s time to impeach him for obstruction. And it’s the easiest vote I’d ever make if I were in the Senate unless he provides some evidence on his behalf.
In exigent circumstances, knowing we know the law on subpoenas and such, there is no need for a court filing. It’s time to impeach him for obstruction. And it’s the easiest vote I’d ever make if I were in the Senate unless he provides some evidence on his behalf.
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MAC_32
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If there were any legitimacy behind this angle then there were vehicles at his disposal to do this correctly. He chose not to. Because he does not really care about Hunter Biden. And he knows there is nothing there. If there was something there then his DoJ would find it and he wouldn't have to manufacture anything. But since there isn't...how do I smear my opponent and keep my hands off it? I got it! I have Rudy run point while we with hold congressionally approved aid until they announce an investigation into my opponent - even though I know they are not going to actually do it. But that's okay. Because I don't really care if they do or not. I just want the appearance of one.
But all of that requires a willingness to want the truth. Republicans quite simply don't.
Don't Noonan
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Democrats know quite well how to smear an opponent, just look at the illegal spying on Trump's campaign. Democrats have no shame and put party over country.
zoonation
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Mr Anonymous
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moleculo
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moleculo
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moleculo
Footballguy
You don't really care about children of politicians being handed jobs they are unqualified for.
Juxtatarot
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Henry Ford
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sho nuff
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
But what aboutism - when you cannot defend the action just deflect to something completely unrelated and hope the subject changes.
MAC_32
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Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
I see we have moved on to the point of the story where "sure Trump did all kinds of illegal things but he was busted illegally!".
sho nuff
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Yes...which is a claim contrary to what Horowitz just reported. In fact, has there been any legal reporting that the investigation was illegal? Not some pundits opinion, but a legal ruling.
5-ish Finkle
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Don't Noonan
Footballguy
I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I thought you hated Trump but you are using we.....weird.
randall146
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A claim of privilege doesn’t defeat a subpoena. You show up as ordered, assert the privilege, and let the judge decide, or you move to quash the subpoena and let the judge decide.
It’s Un-American
- for an Attorney General to act like the President’s personal lawyer
- to attack and not support our nation’s institutions (FBI, the press)
- to attack Veterans and American war heros because you disagree with them ....McCain, Mueller, Vindman etc
- for a President to lie to the American people daily
- to call justified surveillance spying
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Henry Ford
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randall146
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jamny
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That's what I'm saying. The punishment should fit the crime. Abuse of power and Obstruction of Congress? I think the Republic will survive if Trump gets impeached. Punishment enough. I don't think it deserves removal from office, imo.
moleculo
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moleculo
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Henry Ford
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Henry Ford
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If Trump responds by providing all relevant documents and sending witnesses to be deposed behind closed doors for their testimony to go in front of the Senate and everyone appears truthful and he shows contrition, you’re absolutely right.
Now, do you think that’s what he’ll do?
Now, do you think that’s what he’ll do?
But spying! Seriously, do the people claiming that know how spying even works, or is it just their latest attempt at deflection and misinformation? Fairly sure I already know the answer.
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