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***Official Donald J. Trump Impeachment (Whistleblower) Thread***

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16 minutes ago, RBM said:

Just like we don’t and will never consider him impeached from an illegitimate and corrupt D led house. 

Which part of the house was illegitimate? Who is corrupt?  Be specific please.

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19 minutes ago, RBM said:

After what the corrupt and anti-American Ds have put this country thru the last 3 years they deserve to lose every major election for years and years. 

So it was the democrats that tried passing travel bans, asked a foreign government for help in making up dirt on a political opponent's son, claimed and failed to get a border country to pay for an ineffective wall, then when people made it in anyway, separated parents from children and locked each in separate concentration camps for no good reason. Oh, then they must have abandoned a Middle Eastern ally on the field, letting them get attacked by their old enemies and giving a terrorist organization a shot in the arm, killed a high ranking official in a separate nation then basically threatened to commit war crimes if they responded.

 

Oh wait, that was all Trump.

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15 minutes ago, RBM said:

Just like we don’t and will never consider him impeached from an illegitimate and corrupt D led house. 

I believe you advised me yesterday against using terms which according to you I didn’t understand? You give me the firm impression that you may need some help with a few of your own terms. 

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9 minutes ago, Skoo said:

Wait, the Dems illegally got help from Russia to get elected?

I thought that was the other guy?

Well yes, the Democrats did get help from a foreign agent who got a dossier from Russia in 2016. 

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12 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

The Democrats are going to get creamed in November, and honestly I don’t think they will win the White House back until 2032 at minimum. Two terms from Haley is almost a lock at this point. 

Just like they got creamed in 2018. 

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19 minutes ago, RBM said:

Just like we don’t and will never consider him impeached from an illegitimate and corrupt D led house. 

Pelosi know her legacy is screwed with her 100% partisan impeachment. Heck she said herself in so many words throughout the years a 100% partisan impeachment would be terrible a terrible thing.

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21 minutes ago, Sheriff Bart said:

Doesn't want any evidence from the House trial or any new evidence presented. Then he has the nerve to say they have this great task to perform. Shove it you shill. 

I am trying to figure out why the GOP would be against evidence being presented and testimony from those with firsthand knowledge not be heard.   I can only come up with one reason:  the President is guilty as hell and they don't want the American people to hear it.

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32 minutes ago, RBM said:

So hard not to laugh at this drama queen Schumer. Lie after lie mixed in with the overly dramatic faux outrage. Nobody takes this guy serious. 

I would advise you to get outside your bubble but you could even read the pages here to learn that some people do take him seriously.

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9 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

 

I am trying to figure out why the GOP would be against evidence being presented and testimony from those with firsthand knowledge not be heard.   I can only come up with one reason:  the President is guilty as hell and they don't want the American people to hear it.

The American people are realizing that as well.  While we as a society don't expect enough of our elected leaders, we do generally expect more than this.

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4 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

The American people are realizing that as well.  While we as a society don't expect enough of our elected leaders, we do generally expect more than this.

I may believe that come November 4. The proof is in the pudding

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9 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

 

I am trying to figure out why the GOP would be against evidence being presented and testimony from those with firsthand knowledge not be heard.   I can only come up with one reason:  the President is guilty as hell and they don't want the American people to hear it.

This will be the conclusion most Americans reach, no matter how much McConnell and the rest keep trying to argue about process and what the House didn’t do, yada yada yada. 

The public, based on polling, is curious to know whether or not Trump did wrong and what he was actually thinking. There are documents and a witness (John Bolton) who can answer those questions. Any attempt by Republicans to hide these, prevent them from coming to light will be looked upon as a cover up and they will assume Trump is guilty. (Because everyone, including Trump’s most fervent supporters knows deep down that if any of this stuff, the evidence or the witnesses, exonerated Trump, we wouldn’t be hearing any of this resistance by the Republicans. They’d be up there in a heartbeat. 

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15 minutes ago, Kal El said:

So it was the democrats that tried passing travel bans, asked a foreign government for help in making up dirt on a political opponent's son, claimed and failed to get a border country to pay for an ineffective wall, then when people made it in anyway, separated parents from children and locked each in separate concentration camps for no good reason. Oh, then they must have abandoned a Middle Eastern ally on the field, letting them get attacked by their old enemies and giving a terrorist organization a shot in the arm, killed a high ranking official in a separate nation then basically threatened to commit war crimes if they responded.

 

Oh wait, that was all Trump.

Wait Biden and Obama selling out the country's foreign policy so the VPs son can get rich in a position he's unqualified for and then threatening the country and admitting to it on tape when it looks like the walls are closing in is all made up?  Nah, that's not corrupt at all. That's not worthy of a closer look. 

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Just now, RBM said:

Wait Biden and Obama selling out the country's foreign policy so the VPs son can get rich in a position he's unqualified for and then threatening the country and admitting to it on tape when it looks like the walls are closing in is all made up?  Nah, that's not corrupt at all. That's not worthy of a closer look. 

This did not happen.

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25 minutes ago, Amused to Death said:

I started doing my part in 2018. Have mostly voted R for state/local elections and D for Pres. Not anymore. Straight D until this crop of Rs are out of office.

So because of politics, your conservative views and beliefs have changed all of a sudden?

Yea, not buying it

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3 minutes ago, RBM said:

Wait Biden and Obama selling out the country's foreign policy so the VPs son can get rich in a position he's unqualified for and then threatening the country and admitting to it on tape when it looks like the walls are closing in is all made up?  Nah, that's not corrupt at all. That's not worthy of a closer look. 

What's amazing to me is that there are people in this country that really believe this. Can you explain how Biden and Obama "sold out the country's foreign policy?" 

Please be specific in terms of (a) what they did; (b) how that altered previous US policy and; (c) directly benefited Hunter Biden.

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4 minutes ago, Engelberg said:

So because of politics, your conservative views and beliefs have changed all of a sudden?

Yea, not buying it

Because of actions of the party...and that it isn't all that conservative on many issues (Trade, spending, debt...)

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4 minutes ago, Workhorse said:

What's amazing to me is that there are people in this country that really believe this. Can you explain how Biden and Obama "sold out the country's foreign policy?" 

Please be specific in terms of (a) what they did; (b) how that altered previous US policy and; (c) directly benefited Hunter Biden.

Why do you think Hunter Biden was paid an enormous amount of money to do nothing?

Explain why that doesn't deserve to be looked at. 

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1 minute ago, Engelberg said:

I see, someone tapped him with a magic wand and said "Poof, you are now changing your views and beliefs"

Just when I thought things couldn't get any dumber in here. 

I think this is the part you have backwards.

His views and beliefs didn't change, the GOP did.

Fiscal responsibility, family values, adherence to the Constitution, all gone now.

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1 hour ago, zoonation said:

They should open every session of this joke circus by banging a gong.

I guess I kinda respect that there are some rules of law, but at this point, why even bother with this impeachment?  I haven't really been following along, because we all know how this is going to end.  What's the ####### point?

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Just now, RBM said:

Why do you think Hunter Biden was paid an enormous amount of money to do nothing?

Explain why that doesn't deserve to be looked at.

1. Please explain how Jared and Ivanka getting Senior WH staff positions with no qualifications whatsoever is different.

2. If the Bidens were up to no good, by all means, hold an investigation. We have an entire justice department for that. No need to break the law like Trump did.

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Just now, Skoo said:

1. Please explain how Jared and Ivanka getting Senior WH staff positions with no qualifications whatsoever is different.

2. If the Bidens were up to no good, by all means, hold an investigation. We have an entire justice department for that. No need to break the law like Trump did.

It's perfectly legal to seek help from a foreign nation to root out govt corruption. 

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1 minute ago, RBM said:

You see anyone say they voted R until Trump but now will strictly vote for these sleazy, America-hating D's and their dangerous, socialist policies, you're seeing a liar. Plain and simple. 

Pretty sure calling Democrats sleazy and America-hating isn't allowed on this board any longer.

Hopefully you can come up with a better way to make your point.

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1 hour ago, squistion said:

Sen. Mazie Hirono on CNN:

"Any time I hear Mitch McConnell say that they're following the Clinton playbook, I just want to say, 'give me a break'."

This is the Senator that has stated that all women offering allegations need to be believed.  She has forever trashed her reputation and should be roundly ignored.  

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Just now, RBM said:

It's perfectly legal to seek help from a foreign nation to root out govt corruption. 

Right.

The illegal part is the withholding of the aid in return for said investigation.

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5 minutes ago, Weebs210 said:

They are lying because I dislike Trump!

 

That doesn't make any sense, but I'm glad you've come around on Trump.

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9 minutes ago, RBM said:

Why do you think Hunter Biden was paid an enormous amount of money to do nothing?

Explain why that doesn't deserve to be looked at. 

Same reason Nikki Haley gets hundreds of thousands a year to be on Boeing’s board. She had no aviation experience. But she does have influence and proximity to power, and Boeing is buying it. I’m not a fan of it, but it happens and is legal. 

I know right wing media tells you it’s all the same and you feel comfortable equating the minor indignity of what Hunter Biden did with mass dereliction of responsibly of two branches of GOP government, and bless you if that’s your choice.

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1 hour ago, greenroom said:

Nice Mitch  McConnell is already lying right from the start..  Yep this is a Cover Up.  And nothing more.. Time to vote out the GOP..  

 

1 hour ago, RBM said:

So hard not to laugh at this drama queen Schumer. Lie after lie mixed in with the overly dramatic faux outrage. Nobody takes this guy serious. 

The dark overloards who run our country have you guys right where they want you.  They are probably jizzing themselves right now.

 

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1 minute ago, Engelberg said:

So because of politics, your conservative views and beliefs have changed all of a sudden?

Yea, not buying it

I know you are not replying to me, but I'm like minded with the OP. I'm no longer hopeful that the Republican party represents my fiscal conservative views. When I say fiscal conservative, that is not code for make rich people more rich. They talk a good game and gave a loud mic to the Tea Party but in retrospect that was just using a wing of the R party to wage political budget obstructionism. Given power, they exploded the deficit. I don't actually think either party does fiscal conservatism anymore, so the only topic for me to vote on is morality.   

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Ham said:

Same reason Nikki Haley gets hundreds of thousands a year to be on Boeing’s board. She had no aviation experience. But she does have influence And proximity to power, and Boeing is buying it. I’m not a fan of it, but it happens and is legal. 

She brought boeing to SC. That’s why she’s on the board.

https://www.postandcourier.com/business/a-decade-after-landing-in-north-charleston-boeing-sc-remains/article_ff15abb6-105f-11ea-8760-7f93a8117f07.html

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5 minutes ago, Skoo said:

Right.

The illegal part is the withholding of the aid in return for said investigation.

Never happened.

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12 minutes ago, Engelberg said:

I see, someone tapped him with a magic wand and said "Poof, you are now changing your views and beliefs"

Just when I thought things couldn't get any dumber in here. 

ETA, I don't think everyone or every post is dumb.

Who said his views changed?

I believe the party has changed and altered their view and beliefs.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Ham said:

Same reason Nikki Haley gets hundreds of thousands a year to be on Boeing’s board. She had no aviation experience. But she does have influence And proximity to power, and Boeing is buying it. I’m not a fan of it, but it happens and is legal. 

Did she do this while being in public service?  I'm guessing no.  Did she do this while her husband/son/parent was in high office?  I'm going to again guess no.

This correlation comes out to about 0.

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Just now, Sand said:

Did she do this while being in public service?  I'm guessing no.  Did she do this while her husband/son/parent was in high office?  I'm going to again guess no.

This correlation comes out to about 0.

She was an SC House member and then Governor when Boeing opened their east coast operation in SC. 

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Just now, Sand said:

Did she do this while being in public service?  I'm guessing no.  Did she do this while her husband/son/parent was in high office?  I'm going to again guess no.

This correlation comes out to about 0.

Ivanka and Jared ring a  bell?

They've made millions from their positions as Senior WH staff.

What qualifications do they have?

Daddy is President. That's it.

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4 minutes ago, Engelberg said:

I see, someone tapped him with a magic wand and said "Poof, you are now changing your views and beliefs"

Just when I thought things couldn't get any dumber in here. 

ETA, I don't think everyone or every post is dumb.

Lots of people change their views/beliefs, but I doubt very many people instantly change.  There is usually a progression and a sequence of events/actions that change peoples' views.  15 years ago there were fierce debates in the FFA over gay rights.  Public opinion on this topic has shifted wildly from then to now, but it didn't happen instantaneously.  

Trump is anti to most things conservatives have talked about as being important for the entirety of my life, and we've now had three years of the GOP covering and making excuses for him.

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19 minutes ago, RBM said:

Why do you think Hunter Biden was paid an enormous amount of money to do nothing?

Explain why that doesn't deserve to be looked at. 

FWIW if you’re interested I’ve posted on this extensively in another thread. For starters Zlochevsky - the original owner of Burisma - is wanted for acts in office in the Ukrainian government in 2013 and before. Hunter did not arrive until 2014 and he was brought into the board by Devin Archer. - Let me know if you want to continue discussing this, I don’t want to expend the effort if it’s not worth it.

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6 minutes ago, bigmarc27 said:

So as a politician, if I bring a company to my state, I should be given a board seat and hundreds of thousands a year? I’d bring hundreds of companies to my state! 

Point is, anything can be made to look uber corrupt if there’s enough muscle behind it. When in reality, not everything is a scandal. But changing the entire balance of power in our Republic and ignoring checks and balances for a power grab is.

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1 hour ago, dkp993 said:

 

The juxtaposition of these perceptions within a mere minute of each other watching the exact same thing is absolutely the very definition of the state of American politics today.  

Quick reply to say yep, I see it.

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24 minutes ago, Engelberg said:

So because of politics, your conservative views and beliefs have changed all of a sudden?

Yea, not buying it

I really don't care if you "buy" it, but yeah, the last 2 elections have been straight D right down the line. And will be that way till this President is out. I voted for Chris Christie twice, Christie Whitman, and a GOP Congressman (Chris Smith), plus GOP mayor. Not again for a while (whether you believe it or not).

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4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

FWIW if you’re interested I’ve posted on this extensively in another thread. For starters Zlochevsky - the original owner of Burisma - is wanted for acts in office in the Ukrainian government in 203 and before. Hunter did not arrive until 2014 and he was brought into the board by Devin Archer. - Let me know if you want to continue discussing this, I don’t want to expend the effort if it’s not worth it.

So Zlochevsky = The Kurgan?   

I eagerly await the final sword fight.

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22 minutes ago, RBM said:

You see anyone say they voted R until Trump but now will strictly vote for these sleazy, America-hating D's and their dangerous, socialist policies, you're seeing a liar. Plain and simple. 

Don't

 

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9 minutes ago, Mr. Ham said:

So as a politician, if I bring a company to my state, I should be given a board seat and hundreds of thousands a year? I’d bring hundreds of companies to my state! 

Point is, anything can be made to look uber corrupt if there’s enough muscle behind it. When in reality, not everything is a scandal. But changing the entire balance of power in our Republic and ignoring checks and balances for a power grab is.

I’m just telling you why she’s on the board. She was a voting member to allow tax cuts that brought the plant to SC. You can view these things any way you’d like. 

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29 minutes ago, Engelberg said:

So because of politics, your conservative views and beliefs have changed all of a sudden?

Yea, not buying it

You replied to Amused to Death.  ATD was replying to me.  I can't speak for ATD.  That said, ATD never said his views or beliefs changed.  For myself, it's unacceptable that the people I expected to represent me because we SHARE some or many political views are part of a cover up. 

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6 minutes ago, OrtonToOlsen said:

Some classy posts over the last couple of pages here.  

 

Agreed. Depressing actually

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28 minutes ago, RBM said:

You see anyone say they voted R until Trump but now will strictly vote for these sleazy, America-hating D's and their dangerous, socialist policies, you're seeing a liar. Plain and simple. 

America-hating? Yikes my man, this divisive and garbage rhetoric is coming from the President and has clearly gotten to the point where many of his supporters truly believe Democrats are anti-America. This is the epitome of why I will be voting for the first time ever in 2020 and for whoever the Democratic nominee is.

I've voted for my share of GOP presidents and state/local elections as I mentioned. But this Trump-led version of the GOP is not something I want to see long-term. This version of the GOP needs to go away, and voting strictly against is the only voice I have.

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30 minutes ago, RBM said:

You see anyone say they voted R until Trump but now will strictly vote for these sleazy, America-hating D's and their dangerous, socialist policies, you're seeing a liar. Plain and simple. 

And you wonder why we can't have civil dialogue.

not cool man, not cool

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