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***Official Donald J. Trump Impeachment (Whistleblower) Thread***

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6 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

I was in the legal advisory team for two different witnesses in the Thomas Porteous impeachment. 
 

Edit: I did not appear at a hearing.

Edit2: “legal advisory team” sounds a lot bigger than it was. I was on the “oh, man, you should definitely respond to that” team. 

So outside of yourself, are there you others?  If not, you might be the only one posting.  

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

LoL FBGs. What areya some kinda expoit?!?

Well actually....

I’m sure you remember Porteous. 

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5 minutes ago, Sheriff Bart said:

Great question as to why all of a sudden Trump was concerned about "corruption" after already sending dozens of payments worth 1.5 billion to the Ukraine.  :popcorn:

Didn't bother answering.  SHOCKED 

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55 minutes ago, Steve Tasker said:

I know it's an uncouth term, but the term cuck really does apply to people like Cruz.  To have been repeatedly publicly humiliated, and then totally kowtow to Trump is absolutely pathetic, I don't care what party you're in.

What do you expect, his dad killed JFK. 

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Ha yes, yes I do.

Then you’ll understand when I say that advising witnesses in the Porteous impeachment did not require any particular expertise in the minutiae of impeachment. 

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51 minutes ago, Ramsay Hunt Experience said:

My steamy history with Pam Bondi would have made the situation untenable.

I hope you had protection.

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Just now, Joe Mammy said:

I hope you had protection.

He carries a snub nosed .38

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How is it just being blown off that the defense team just argued that the POTUS can’t be impeached if he’s trying to get re-elected.  The madness of this is hard to comprehend.  

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6 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Then you’ll understand when I say that advising witnesses in the Porteous impeachment did not require any particular expertise in the minutiae of impeachment. 

Well I'm late to the convo, but yes, that's right. And IIRC there were witnesses, and IIRC Porteous himself was one of those witnesses. I'd think knowing what to answer and what not to would have been most valuable, not knowing whether the Chief Justice has to wear a wig or when the Sargent at Arms knocks on the Senate door.

- There's more of a body of impeachments to point to than just Johnson and Clinton, and Porteous is the most recent impeachment.

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There have been some really good points from both sides.  

LOL @ Schumer telling Sekulow he can have "anyone you want," and Schiff hops up and says "we're not going to waste time on fantasy."

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6 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Well I'm late to the convo, but yes, that's right. And IIRC there were witnesses, and IIRC Porteous himself was one of those witnesses. I'd think knowing what to answer and what not to would have been most valuable, not knowing whether the Chief Justice has to wear a wig or when the Sargent at Arms knocks on the Senate door.

- There's more of a body of impeachments to point to than just Johnson and Clinton, and Porteous is the most recent impeachment.

The witnesses in that impeachment were almost all lawyers and legal professionals. Without getting into details on what my clients/friends needed, what many of them most needed advice on were the ramifications to their own careers from their testimony.

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14 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

How is it just being blown off that the defense team just argued that the POTUS can’t be impeached if he’s trying to get re-elected.  The madness of this is hard to comprehend.  

It's worse when you realize they are dead serious about it. It's ideology and it's not a new one.

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2 hours ago, jm192 said:

The assertion is that Trump abused the power of the office to ask Ukraine to interfere in the 2020 election.

I think this is a subtle point. 

As I understand it, the charges are about classic corruption - use of public authority and public funds for personal use.

Technically, IMO, the interference is a national security claim. I think that's a close one and the Dems I think stayed away from it in their charges. I think they play into the magnitude of what Trump was doing, the harm at stake for the USA and our ally Ukraine, but it was not "the cause" or reason and not "the" crime at issue. My 2 pfennigs.

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35 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

I’m sure you remember Porteous. 

That's Ellen's wife right?

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And now Schiff is asking if the Senate is "too fatigued" to hear from witnesses.  And when this is done on Friday "The Senate was too tired to do the right thing."

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3 hours ago, Kal El said:

It's been a run. Not a great one, what with the slavery, mistreatment of the Natives, and stuff like that, but maybe the next one can be better.

We did generate some good phrases.  Freedom Riders, Trail of Tears, Red Scare.

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2 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:
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Alan Dershowitz, a Harvard Law School professor emeritus and high-profile defense attorney, argued that Trump cannot be impeached for pressuring Ukraine for investigations into former Vice President Joe Biden because doing so would be aimed at helping his reelection chances. Dershowitz said Trump's motivations would ultimately be fueled by the public interest because he believes his reelection is what's best for the country.

"Every public official that I know believes that his election is in the public interest," Dershowitz said. "And mostly you're right. Your election is in the public interest."

"And if a president did something that he believes will help him get elected, in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment."

 

CNN

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Actual President Dictator, folks

Mind blowing. I’m completely dumbfounded. 

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14 hours ago, Phil Elliott said:

Instead of each side saying "you're lying", it would be nice to see some hard evidence.

Or at least they could expand their vocabularies to include perfidy, mendacious, and prevaricator.

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26 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

How is it just being blown off that the defense team just argued that the POTUS can’t be impeached if he’s trying to get re-elected.  The madness of this is hard to comprehend.  

Because the GOP doesn't care.  Probably even cheer it on.

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1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Fir a guy who got slandered by Trump the same way... it’s just pathetic to be that servile.

Exactly captures it.

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Somebody please post Lawrence Tribes response to Dershowitz the flip flopper  who has the audacity to call Tribe out for flip flopping on the same issue that Dersh  has flip flopped  on.  Ir should be gold Jerry gold!!! 

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10 minutes ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

We did generate some good phrases.  Freedom Riders, Trail of Tears, Red Scare.

Better Dead than Red, Girls Gone Wild

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1 hour ago, Ramsay Hunt Experience said:

My steamy history with Pam Bondi would have made the situation untenable.

Yeah Baby!  She's super freaky.

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If this was a ballgame I'd say the team favored by 25 is still gonna win this thing but it's a damn sight closer than I originally thought it was going to be. The favorite sleepwalked, came out flat, and the underdogs came loaded to play hard to the last minute.

The Dems have equipped themselves well and even talking about witnesses being in play is dramatic and gratifying, at least to me. I hope it happens. I'll be encouraged by it. And just because Kavanaugh went one way doesn't mean that it won't go another this time. Play to the whistle.

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LOL. Well, another swing and a miss by the dems.  Anyone have any idea what the next attempt will be about? Schiff and Pelosi look like fools.

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1 hour ago, Henry Ford said:

I was in the legal advisory team for two different witnesses in the Thomas Porteous impeachment. 
 

Edit: I did not appear at a hearing.

Edit2: “legal advisory team” sounds a lot bigger than it was. I was on the “oh, man, you should definitely respond to that” team. 

This past year I redrafted some campaign finance provisions, worked to redraft Intergovernmental agreements in a coordinated election to insure equality of information access to returns, and I appeared three times in court to address challenges to access to the ballot.  I won BTW, each time.  On Impeachment, well I read the entirety of the Starr report and lived through Nixon.  Never worked or studied on Impeachment beyond mild curiosity.

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2 minutes ago, lod001 said:

LOL. Well, another swing and a miss by the dems.  Anyone have any idea what the next attempt will be about? Schiff and Pelosi look like fools.

I am proctoring an evening study hall and have no access to a TV or sound for that matter. What did I miss? Is it over? I was hoping to catch Beyonce.

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17 minutes ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

Or at lest they could expand their vocabularies to include perfidy, mendacious, and prevaricator.

Beyond my vocabulary.

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2 minutes ago, pecorino said:

I am proctoring an evening study hall and have no access to a TV or sound for that matter. What did I miss? Is it over? I was hoping to catch Beyonce.

Pretty much over. They will end this attempted coup sometime between tomorrow and Saturday. Trump will be able to give the state of the union with those schmucks stewing in their seats, deservedly so.

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19 minutes ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

Or at lest they could expand their vocabularies to include perfidy, mendacious, and prevaricator.

Instead we spend time on pettifogging. 

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I'd like to see a count of how many questions have gone from R's to Dem Managers vs how many to GOP Team President. And vice versa (D to R's vs D to D's).

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Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I'd like to see a count of how many questions have gone from R's to Dem Managers vs how many to GOP Team President. And vice versa (D to R's vs D to D's).

I was hoping there would be more confrontation from party to party.  The closest thing has been Cruz going after Schiff and the whistle blower.  

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1 hour ago, Henry Ford said:

I was in the legal advisory team for two different witnesses in the Thomas Porteous impeachment. 
 

Edit: I did not appear at a hearing.

Edit2: “legal advisory team” sounds a lot bigger than it was. I was on the “oh, man, you should definitely respond to that” team. 

:tebow: seriously. You minimize your role but I’m impressed.

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18 minutes ago, lod001 said:

LOL. Well, another swing and a miss by the dems.  Anyone have any idea what the next attempt will be about? Schiff and Pelosi look like fools.

At least Colorado gets to cut Cory Gardner. I'll take that win.

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4 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Instead we spend time on pettifogging. 

Is that the female version of carpet bombing?

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4 minutes ago, Phil Elliott said:

:tebow: seriously. You minimize your role but I’m impressed.

You wouldn’t be if you knew the details. 

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5 minutes ago, jm192 said:

I was hoping there would be more confrontation from party to party.  The closest thing has been Cruz going after Schiff and the whistle blower.  

I haven’t been able to follow today but ideally the questions should reflect fulcrum issues that could affect decision making. 

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17 minutes ago, lod001 said:

LOL. Well, another swing and a miss by the dems.  Anyone have any idea what the next attempt will be about? Schiff and Pelosi look like fools.

Yes. Its them that look like fools.  Not Trump and the GOP with rationalizing Trump can do whatever he wants.

Schiff has killed every Trump narrative 

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12 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Pretty much over. They will end this attempted coup sometime between tomorrow and Saturday. Trump will be able to give the state of the union with those schmucks stewing in their seats, deservedly so.

Why do you keep calling this a coup?  Its odd.

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2 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Yes. Its them that look like fools.  Not Trump and the GOP with rationalizing Trump can do whatever he wants.

Schiff has killed every Trump narrative 

Schiff swung and missed. He lost and looks like a total fool.

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15 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Instead we spend time on pettifogging. 

I must have missed when Swalwell was added as an impeachment manager

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Just now, lod001 said:

Schiff swung and missed. He lost and looks like a total fool.

It’s amusing that you think anyone other than President Trump and the GOP is the loser in this affair. 

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Dershowitz is actually doubling down. It’s unbelievable. And this time it’s an even worse argument. 

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