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29 minutes ago, Biabreakable said:

Any substance to these off the field concerns?

 

No idea to be honest. Miller didn't go into detail to my knowledge but has stood firm. Who knows what his source is. Others have accused him of character assassination of course. 

But the senior bowl snub, from respected organizers of the event, could be something.

Guess we won't know till we see what the NFL thinks or more rumors emerge. He looks like a good football player. 

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9 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

 

No idea to be honest. Miller didn't go into detail to my knowledge but has stood firm. Who knows what his source is. Others have accused him of character assassination of course. 

But the senior bowl snub, from respected organizers of the event, could be something.

Guess we won't know till we see what the NFL thinks or more rumors emerge. He looks like a good football player. 

I will keep looking into it.

Thanks for bringing it up. I agree the senior bowl snub seems odd.

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Just something funny from reading the Gophers thread I found.

I guess Matt Miller had Tyler Johnson with a 1st round grade in late September and then is saying he is only a 6th rounder in November.

 

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57 minutes ago, Iceman03 said:

Seems to be. They don’t overtly talk about this stuff. I also heard he had some trouble with the previous Minnesota coaching staff before the current staff got put in place.

That would probably be Tracy Claeys and honestly a lot of people had issues with that guy.

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12 minutes ago, Biabreakable said:

Just something funny from reading the Gophers thread I found.

I guess Matt Miller had Tyler Johnson with a 1st round grade in late September and then is saying he is only a 6th rounder in November.

 

 

That is true and it's what really caught my eye. He only makes massive swings like that when he's hearing things from people who know more than him. It obviously isn't due to his talent. 

I saw what you posted about it possibly being about a scout perceiving an "entitled" attitude. That would be an extreme adjustment if so, wow. I figured there would be more meat to it than that. 

Then again, homer boards for the college team he's on would be a friendlier environment towards him...but that's where you can also find the juiciest rumors so who knows. I still remember the things that surfaced from Miami boards about Hernandez after his arrest...scouting reports from when he was recruited saying things like "he'll either be a HOFer or in prison, no in-between"...before he ever had an arrest record! Homer boards can be a valuable source of info, if a bit biased sometimes. 

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1 minute ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

 

That is true and it's what really caught my eye. He only makes massive swings like that when he's hearing things from people who know more than him. It obviously isn't due to his talent. 

I saw what you posted about it possibly being about a scout perceiving an "entitled" attitude. That would be an extreme adjustment if so, wow. I figured there would be more meat to it than that. 

Then again, homer boards for the college team he's on would be a friendlier environment towards him...but that's where you can also find the juiciest rumors so who knows. I still remember the things that surfaced from Miami boards about Hernandez after his arrest...scouting reports from when he was recruited saying things like "he'll either be a HOFer or in prison, no inbetween...before he ever had an arrest record! Homer boards can be a valuable source of info, if a bit biased sometimes. 

Yeah I will keep looking.

From what I have gathered so far Tyler Johnson is a role model within the community where he grew up and is a good person. Was not involved with the scandals the Gophers had a few years ago which led to their current head coach being hired and that Johnson has been a leader and good example throughout.

This is leading me to think that Miller may have been pumped with misinformation and he is reacting strongly to it. But that may be giving him the benefit of the doubt. I am not sure. I think saying controversial things helps him get attention which is one of his goals as another possibility although I think its bad publicity for his brand if unfounded.

 

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2 hours ago, Biabreakable said:

Speed does not equal talent and that is the only talent that Bateman has more of.

So I disagree although Bateman looks promising as well.

Where did I say speed is the only talent that Bateman has more of?  I said, "better talent".  He is a better prospect than Johnson.

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34 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

Where did I say speed is the only talent that Bateman has more of?  I said, "better talent".  He is a better prospect than Johnson.

Because why?

What talents does he possess that Johnson does not?

What is your reasoning for thinking Bateman is a better prodpect?

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11 minutes ago, Biabreakable said:

Because why?

What talents does he possess that Johnson does not?

What is your reasoning for thinking Bateman is a better prodpect?

I like Bateman's physical make up to go along with his speed.  I think he is a better athlete than Johnson and has better overall WR ceiling.  I can see Bateman as a WR1.  I don’t think anyone sees Johnson as a WR1.  Plus Johnson has inconsistent hands.  He is a good route runner however.

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Are there any plausible reasons why he was snubbed from the Senior Bowl other than he’s got some kind of personality/behavior issue? Just based on quality of play and name value? I would expect him to be one of the top 5 or so marquee names for the Senior Bowl. 

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1 minute ago, Ilov80s said:

Are there any plausible reasons why he was snubbed from the Senior Bowl other than he’s got some kind of personality/behavior issue? Just based on quality of play and name value? I would expect him to be one of the top 5 or so marquee names for the Senior Bowl. 

It doesn’t make sense for Austin Mack to be there over Johnson. 

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8 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Are there any plausible reasons why he was snubbed from the Senior Bowl other than he’s got some kind of personality/behavior issue? Just based on quality of play and name value? I would expect him to be one of the top 5 or so marquee names for the Senior Bowl. 

Wasn't the personality/behavioral issues debunked from local writers for the Gophers?  I thought I remember some of them coming and saying that Tyler Johnson was a great teammate with a great attitude.  

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3 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

Wasn't the personality/behavioral issues debunked from local writers for the Gophers?  I thought I remember some of them coming and saying that Tyler Johnson was a great teammate with a great attitude.  

Maybe but also if they are trying to continue to cover the Gophers and get great access, are they really going to tear apart a star player?

Why wouldn’t they invite him to Senior Bowl?

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2 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Maybe but also if they are trying to continue to cover the Gophers and get great access, are they really going to tear apart a star player?

Why wouldn’t they invite him to Senior Bowl?

You're not wrong ha, but it doesn't exactly answer your Senior Bowl question either.  I'm just as curious.  If it's true that he is a hard worker, good teammate, good listener with good behavior then it makes it even weirder.  

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Until something tangible is alleged about him, I am personally chalking this up as a non-story. Too bad he got snubbed. Could be anything, including something stupid like conference bias. No big 10 receivers were invited.

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9 minutes ago, Cjw_55106 said:

Until something tangible is alleged about him, I am personally chalking this up as a non-story. Too bad he got snubbed. Could be anything, including something stupid like conference bias. No big 10 receivers were invited.

Yeah I was looking at the list of WR who are in the senior bowl and Pittman JR the most interesting one.

The rest of those guys are not on any rookie prospect lists I have been looking at for the polls.

I think Johnson has enough good tape that NFL teams didn't need to see him there to know who he is.

Since people like to partition data and look for clues from small sample sizes, I wonder how many top 10 WR went to the senior bowl historically? I am guessing not too many.

That TD by Mahomes just now just ridiculous lol

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I’m starting to see why the NFL community may be a bit agitated by him. You don’t skip these things. You play in the shrine game if you can’t get in the Senior Bowl and you run the damn 40 when it’s laser timed. This isn’t like back when Charlie Casserly was aiming his stop watch like a ####### bow and arrow.

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3 hours ago, Iceman03 said:

I’m starting to see why the NFL community may be a bit agitated by him. You don’t skip these things. You play in the shrine game if you can’t get in the Senior Bowl and you run the damn 40 when it’s laser timed. This isn’t like back when Charlie Casserly was aiming his stop watch like a ####### bow and arrow.

It could be just a personality thing that's rubbed teams the wrong way, it could be bad advice from an agent.  Personally I like it when unknowns DONT do combine stuff, but if you're as far down the totem pole as TJ seems to be, it would have been best to do it.  At least make up a story about a minor injury and preparing for pro-day because you'll be "fully healthy" by then.  

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There is enough smoke here for me to take him completely off my board 

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NFL Media's Lance Zierlein compares Minnesota WR Tyler Johnson to New England Patriots WR Jakobi Meyers.

Johnson (6'1/206) was twice named as a first-team All-Big Ten performer, catching 86 passes for 1,318 yards and 13 touchdowns last season for the Gophers. Johnson dominated smaller corners out of the slot showing excellent instincts and body control when shielding defenders from the football. His lack of high-end physical attributes will likely limit him to a slot role in the NFL. Johnson didn't do anything to quell athleticism and speed concerns by skipping testing at the combine. Zierlein grades Johnson as a quality backup who could work his way into a starting role.

SOURCE: NFL.com

Mar 14, 2020, 3:12 PM ET

 

 

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