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Turkey invades Syria: Update- ISIS rebuilds (3 Viewers)
- Thread starter timschochet
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I think you are confusing "our biggest threats" with Trump's business dealings - only one of those things matter now.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
we are all part of nato with turkey....you realize that right?
terrible situation...... thanks trump.....
cosjobs
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
The first article wasn't to lay out why it is the right decision. It was simply to point out that we are no closer to a solution. The objections were the same back then. You can go back even to(I believe) March of 2018 to where Trump declared it was happening. Then you can go back to Obama being reluctant to get involved in a long term conflict.
This is the problem with these things. They simply never end because there is never a "good time" for them to end. There is always talk that if we pull out we leave a power vacuum, etc.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Wow, it is hard to believe a guy with that much great and unmatched wisdom didn't know this was going to happen
Shula-holic
Footballguy
This is pretty much the way I feel. I admit I'm uneasy and this is a bad situation, but not sure it was ever going to be anything other than this. We can't stay there forever. I think long term it goes back to where it used to be, kind of an understanding between Assad and the Kurds. Assad is going to be in charge of Syria and he's an ethnic minority himself. In the past he's been willing to kind of allow them their own space as they aren't actively fighting against him. I've seen reports there have been some Kurdish held areas that some Syrian and Russian forces have been noticed in, almost testing the waters.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I agree that we needed to have some finality and end game here, but the methodology in which this went down is shameful.
We have abandoned these people.
We have abandoned these people.
ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
Okay Trump, you jackass. You said that if they did it you would ruin their economy. Well, they've done it. Let's see you ruin their economy.
I won't hold my breath, you worthless con man.
I won't hold my breath, you worthless con man.
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Stealthycat
Footballguy
US allows our allies and/or the UN nations to use our airbase
solved
maybe ... other countries don't want to risk their citizens lives and spend billions on it ?
Henry Ford
Footballguy
1. No, we don't let other countries take over our airbases.
2. Maybe... he announced it yesterday and the attack happened today. Who was going to get that done in less than 24 hours? A thing that we would never do?
Quite a few Kurds are Christian, but that shouldn't matter, this is a human problem. Trump screwed them over, and it'll come back on us.kind of?
At least there are no Americans or Christians in the way .
Workhorse
Footballguy
Jennifer Griffin from FoxNews: I am told by well-placed source that POTUS "went off script" from national security team's talking points in his phone conversation with the Turkish President. US military source: "a lot of people will die, a complete withdrawal of US forces from Syria is now all but assured."
sho nuff
Footballguy
Insert words here to describe Trump that would get me banned...
Disgusting statement and actions/inaction.
Blood is on his hands and all the GOP who have enabled him.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Are we part of the Axis or the Allies?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
the gop has come out again this move rather bigly.......
so who is really calling the shots?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Come out against by being disappointed...thats about it. With them...actions speak louder than words.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Words are cheap, unfortunately. It's like the T&P issue where I think Republicans, while in parallel are running interference protecting actually illegal foreign relations are going to wind up being viewed as the party who enabled merely unconscionable and repugnant foreign policies - no matter what wind comes out of their mouths. I think team Trump realized the timing is perfect to do whatever pro-Russia things he can imagine, as he's put the Senate Republicans in a proverbial catch 22 re: his rights to conduct unlimited foreign policy. I mean, if they are spewing the Trump talking points that his authority includes leveraging congressional earmarked assistance to mine dirt to help him in a personal/political context, how can they then question that it also includes determining actual US foreign policy? It will look even worse after Trump pulls out of the open skies treaty, and they still take on the record position that he can't be impeached.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
trump hotel in vegas
Happening right now at the Trump Tower Hotel in Las Vegas. #KurdsBetrayedByTrump https://t.co/QbZyOXkiNn
Happening right now at the Trump Tower Hotel in Las Vegas. #KurdsBetrayedByTrump https://t.co/QbZyOXkiNn
The General
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
That one guy
Footballguy
I don’t think any of us opposed to these events do so under any pretense of favoring some never ending military occupation; pretty certain most all Americans, Rs and Ds alike, want our troops home. The issue I have here isn’t that it was done, it’s the how, why, and when it was done. Nothing about this makes sense: not from a military strategy position, not from a foreign policy position, not from the fight against terrorism position, and not from the America as a trusted ally position.
Again, admitting my laymen’s level of understanding of all the above, I’m willing, open, even hopeful that an explanation for this move exists and will be communicated by the decision makers that changes my mind. It still hasn’t been offered, though. Coming from team “America first!”, those championing the greatness of our military and ideals, this all feels like a betrayal to both, an appalling moment.
Again, admitting my laymen’s level of understanding of all the above, I’m willing, open, even hopeful that an explanation for this move exists and will be communicated by the decision makers that changes my mind. It still hasn’t been offered, though. Coming from team “America first!”, those championing the greatness of our military and ideals, this all feels like a betrayal to both, an appalling moment.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Trump is a Russian door-mat. Don't you right-wingers see it? He is enriching himself at the cost of our country and others.
Talking about the politics and the military is all bullcrap.
Talking about the politics and the military is all bullcrap.
timschochet
Footballguy
Shula-holic
Footballguy
Listen to these comments closely. He's telling us with these comments that a pullout from Afghanistan is coming.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
That might have something to do with the fact that they were living in a formerly British occupied territory in Iraq and involved in, you know, a revolution trying to claim their own country. From what the British did. Probably not very keen on joining them at Normandy.
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It amazes me that I can still be shocked by what he says/does, but wtf? Don’t worry about these terrorists that I set out to defeat and ‘wipe off the earth’ because they are just going to go to Europe and attack our allies there.
You know who will make up the next major terrorist group? The allies we’re currently betraying. And we will be their main target.
Now, as a thought experiment - re-think your position, but from the perspective of Russia.
I think you will see that it starts to make sense.
What a complete fool Trump is. "Oh they didn't help us 70 years ago, no biggie if they're systematically eliminated or oppressed."
The General
Footballguy
That press conference was jaw dropping. So many lies, so much nonsense. These reporters just stand there and move on to the next questions.
That one guy
Footballguy
No, I get that and have assumed as much from the start. But I still want someone in leadership to at least attempt to defend this. I probably won’t agree with any explanation, but damnit try! I think maybe I’m angrier because the line should be crossed here with regard to career civil servants; deference to the office of the President should end here
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I know it's against board policy to say that Trump is a moron or idiot or whatever. But I honestly don't know how what other conclusion I'm supposed to draw. Whether it's an innately low IQ (doubtful IMO) or dementia or some other form of mental illness, the guy exhibits serious cognitive impairment.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
There's always the outside chance we're seeing the emergence of an actual supervillain.
Honestly, I don't believe he understands just how far reaching the consequences of his actions truly are. Millions of Kurds will now never trust us again, he's clearly asked multiple countries to make up dirt on political opponents, we already know what he wanted to do at the border, to say nothing of forcibly separating families and putting them in camps just because they wanted a better life but made the mistake of coming in illegally.
Maybe when the re-make Princess Bride:
Vizzini: Let me put it this way: have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Trump?
Dread Pirate Roberts: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons
timschochet
Footballguy
Damn those Kurds for not helping us at Normandy! The Chinese didn’t help us there either.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
adonis
Footballguy
It's not helpful for the country to ignore the obvious.
For years now he's been unable to string together fully coherent sentences that stay on topic and make sense. This has only gotten worse. And as it has gotten worse, he's systematically been removing moderately reasonable people from around him and replacing them with people who have no business in their positions or who have no power, or both.
dkp993
Footballguy
I posted this a few weeks ago in another thread but I truly feel like Trumps actions here with Turkey falls right in line with my thinking with this previous post. Classic self-sabotaging behavior
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
The only thing that you can make a legit argument about is the "why". With this guy you never can be sure what his motivations are.
In March we announce we are cutting back soon. In december we say 4 months. Then in February we hem and haw. March we hem and haw again, but still commit that we will be withdrawing at some point and cut the troops in half. Finally in October we say we will be pulling out.
It would seem after it being out there for many many months and already having been a reduction down to a minimal force, how much more notice or slow of a withdrawal did people want?
In the cartoon that my toddler loves watching Spirit: Riding Free, Lucky Prescott gets upset when she finds out that her dad is going to get remarried. She claims that she is upset because he didn't talk to her about it first and she found out by overhearing. Her wise friend Pru calls her out on it and says hogwash, you aren't mad that he didn't talk to you first, you are mad he is getting remarried, who you crappin with this diversionary excuse for anger on twitter.
Or something like that.
Also lets not all forget...
That quote is from december
cosjobs
Footballguy
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Here are countries that did not fight with the US at Normandy whose leaders Trump nonetheless helps or praises:
- Saudi Arabia
- Russia
- North Korea
- Israel
- Turkey
- Phillipines
- Egypt
- Hungary
butcher boy
Footballguy
I dont' understand liberals. Let's vilify Bush I and Bush II for sending troops to the middle east and saying we shouldn't fight wars for oil etc etc, but lets demonize Trump for wanting to get us out of there and bring our boys home.
