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Yea. They should change that. Rally around a better Italian to celebrate their heritage. Columbus is not the right Italian for that.
That ship has sailed, it would be like trying to change St. Patrick's Day to Connor MacGregor Day.
The hate? Funny.
Columbus killed several natives and took others as slaves. But I haven’t read anything to back up “mass murderer” and “liked to torture”. Certainly other Spaniards that followed Columbus almost immediately would fall into this category.
Hate? I don't hold hatred towards historical figures. I admire some of his traits and despise some of his traits. He was not a good person, but he had an enormous impact on history. That said, I think the natives suffer the same fate no matter who 'discovered' these new lands.
Columbus enslavement involved brutal tactic including beatings and cutting off limbs.
This is true. And it’s important to remember that 90% of the indigenous population of this hemisphere perished upon contact with Europeans, not because of murder or foul play, but because of diseases that the natives had no immunity from. That’s hardly the fault of the Europeans.
So you sent me into more research. It was my understanding that Columbus was brutal also. And the works of Bartolome de las Casas confirmed this.
Columbus apparently liked to take native children and give them to Europeans. 9 and 10 year old girls were supposedly especially popular. That's part of why it should be Native Americans Day instead.
And yet-
I think that intent should be a big factor when it comes to laying blame, don’t you? Eventually Europeans and Americans would have met, and when that happened Americans would die (just as Europeans died from the Black Plague centuries earlier after they encountered Asians).
I do, too. But more radical scholars have claimed that intent was irrelevant and have assigned a sort of strict liability to the colonizers.
Thanksgiving really wants a word with you. Greatest day of the year. I personally feel a deep sense of gratitude on Memorial Day weekend, Veteran's Day, etc.
It’s basically the luck of the draw: by civilization, what you really mean is: which side has the most advanced weaponry? That’s the only “civilization” that counts in the end.
What was the book that I always wanted to read but found a little too daunting, a little too nonfiction? Guns, Germs, Steel. Basically espoused this theory.
Got it! Didn’t want to think anybody’s ancestors had just popped up out of the ground!
Yeah, I think I conveyed the wrong impression there. It was always on the list, just always moved to the back as maybe a little too historical and dry? I don't know, but the title and premise always stuck with me.
Really nice, going for a cold one now, stopped because the daughters wanted maccaroons on the way. Sunny, eighties. Recommendable
