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If you watch the light across the street carefully, you can see the walk sign change to the flashing stop hand sign, so the pedestrian had the right of way.
Thanks. It was more a sense of sadness about one's eldest and first-born and how he must feel than trying to invoke sympathy. He was a tempestuous dude and we'd had issues because of it, but I felt for him.
What makes you think that? I don't see anything in that video that leads me to believe that. It was just dumb (but incredible) luck
No doubt. The draw of the video, for me, is how unusual the situation is, in that the pedestrians were OK in spite of all the insanity going on around them.
The car, to me, seems to slightly hesitate (as if beginning to slow down to turn in order to wait for the pedestrians), but then quickly accelerates into the SUV running the light.
The car is definitely going straight through the light but now that you say that and I watch it again, it does look like he speeds up at the end and tags that car.
I just don't see it - once they enter the video they seem to go a consistent speed across. But it is a small miracle for those folks either way. I wince every time I watch it.
me too and yet I watched it like 20 times in a row just in awe of how it goes. So crazy...
Not to belabor the point but if my eyes are deceiving me and they do speed up I would still attribute it to a normal speed up as you get toward the middle of an intersection. I usually slow down and then once I feel comfortable speed up. I see the probability that they did this to save the people at 1% or less but would be an awesome story if it were true.
Yeah, I don't think they had the reaction to do it to save people. As I watch it again now, it may just be the way the street light play off the car.
No chance. If he sped up, it was to try and avoid the collision. There's no way he could see a car running the light. If cars could see that, they'd stop before the got in an accident.
The cars didn't have a green arrow to turn left. As someone pointed out, you can see the walk sign and then starts flashing with a countdown. The people turning left likely have a green circle that they can still turn left with after yielding for cars and/or pedestrians. They should have been waiting for the pedestrians rather than turning.
Can we see they don't have a green arrow? Like I said, in PA cars will get a green arrow AND peds will get a WALK light at the same time. It's stupid.
The runner of the red light also got a DUI, which trumps whatever the pedestrian did
Sure. Driving drunk sucks and people who drive drunk should spend some time in jail.
This is a great lesson for everyone in EVERY aspect of life. I always tell my daughter not to yell at idiot guys just because you think guys shouldn't hit girls. Because there are exceptions to the rules. And while the guys are 100% in the wrong, that won't give you any solace when you have a black eye and concussion.
It's not just jerky, I think it's illegal to turn left before the pedestrian completes crossing the road. And no way the Cruz driver could react so quickly to the situation to purposely thwart the red light runner.
Green left arrow and a solid green walk sign at the same time? So the left turners have the right of way and so do the pedestrians?Ok.
Like I said, if I were visiting PA and saw this I would call the DOT. There’s no plausible explanation for it other than a flaw in the system. I’ve never seen this in my life and should be obviously dangerous to anyone.TheIronSheik said:Ok.
Unless I'm not understanding or am an idiot (both very possible) I think this is the norm.
I think TIS is correct. I am almost certain the same phenomenon exists in Honolulu. Perhaps not coincidentally, as we have a ton of pedestrians that are hit.
I've never seen this anywhere - I can't think of a possible explanation for it. Granted I've spent 99.999% of my life and driving time in the Southeast.
Sheik said green arrow - if it's a flashing yellow that's different. I could see that as that basically means you need to yield. A walk sign plus a green arrow just doesn't seem possible to me.
This is a relatively new phenomenon around Indianapolis. And how they work exactly varies by intersection.
That sounds like a flaw that should be reported.TheIronSheik said:
I am saying sheik is correct and the flashing yellow is a very new thing in PA. As in previously there was a green and in some places it still is as I doubt they have replaced all of them in just a few months.
So you are saying sheik is correct that there is a green arrow and a walk sign both going at the same time? Because that's what he said. Several of us are saying if that's the case then we would report it because it doesn't seem that it should be that way. If, instead, you two are saying it's a flashing yellow then while I think it's stupid (like sheik said) it at least kind of makes sense but is very different than a green arrow and walk sign at the same time.
Yeah, this. If flashing yellow and a flashing don't walk, that makes a little more sense. Both are being told to use caution. Both a green arrow and a walk sign indicate you have the right of way; two intersecting paths should not have the right of way at the same time.
I have good news and bad news. First the bad news - you're dead.IvanKaramazov said:
I am saying sheik is correct, yes(or at least was correct). I had found an older cheat sheet from a penn drivers ed class that I cant seem to find now that seemed to describe what he was saying. I cant seem to find it now, but I did find the state statute which reads different from others...
You can't lawfully be in the crosswalk on a green arrow where I live. In fact my state expressly forbids it when facing a green arrow.
I brought up the move to the flashing yellow to show that the state of pennsylvania has identified the problem and is making the move to correct it so no need for everybody to start calling the Penn DOT.
