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What will be the result of this impeachment investigation? (1 Viewer)

What will be the result of this impeachment investigation?


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I don't know.  I have just resigned myself to Trump being president until 2024 and I wouldn't be surprised if he just stays after that.  I've given up all hope.  
Why have you given up hope? Personally, I think the chances he's re-elected are low because:

1. His original margin of victory wasn't large.

2. He's done nothing to gain supporters.

3. He done plenty to lose them and/or energize his opponents.

4. His opponent will be more likable than Hillary. 

 
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I don't know.  I have just resigned myself to Trump being president until 2024 and I wouldn't be surprised if he just stays after that.  I've given up all hope.  
Why have you given up hope? Personally, I think the chances he's re-elected are low because:

1. His original margin of victory wasn't big.

2. He's done nothing to gain supporters.

3. He done plenty to lose them and/or energize his opponents.

4. His opponent will be more likable than Hillary. 
These are good points, but there are a lot of moderates who disliked Hillary on a personal level but held their nose and voted for her. Those people aren't as likely to vote for Warren or Sanders.

 
Why have you given up hope? Personally, I think the chances he's re-elected are low because:

1. His original margin of victory wasn't large.

2. He's done nothing to gain supporters.

3. He done plenty to lose them and/or energize his opponents.

4. His opponent will be more likable than Hillary. 
1.  304 - 227 is narrow?

2.  You don’t think he’s energized the party?

3.  According to who?

4.  Nowhere to go but up, so agreed 

 
1.  304 - 227 is narrow?

2.  You don’t think he’s energized the party?

3.  According to who?

4.  Nowhere to go but up, so agreed 
1. In many of the swing states, the margin of victory was small.

2. No. I think he's given a voice to a specific demographic, but not to Republicans as a whole.

3. You may be right here, at least wrt his base. Not sure how you can think his opponents won't be energized, unless they all go defeatist like some of the posters here.

4. And this may be all that it takes.

 
1.  304 - 227 is narrow?

2.  You don’t think he’s energized the party?

3.  According to who?

4.  Nowhere to go but up, so agreed 
1. the election came down to around 39,000 votes in 3 states. That makes it one of the closer races in the history of the electoral college. (And Trump's approval rating is down in all 3 of those states.)

2. Trump has energized his base, but not the party. The 2018 election and the recent Kentucky governor race is evidence of this.

 
He'll be impeached but probably not convicted, since McConnell has already said he'll put party over country, and Trump will probably lose in 2020, but try to pull some shenanigans about a rigged election, and thus at least try to remain in office. Would law enforcement forcibly remove him from the White House at that point? He'd be trespassing at that point, wouldn't he?

 
He'll be impeached but probably not convicted, since McConnell has already said he'll put party over country, and Trump will probably lose in 2020, but try to pull some shenanigans about a rigged election, and thus at least try to remain in office. Would law enforcement forcibly remove him from the White House at that point? He'd be trespassing at that point, wouldn't he?
My understanding is that he will be escorted out if he does so, yes. I highly doubt that he will.

 
Impeachment is probably 98%.  Removal from office is < 5%.

But we'll know for all time where people stood and there will be a record of what he did.

 
I think it is obvious the Dems have pre-determined they will impeach regardless of evidence.  This is purely partisan, the exact thing our forefathers did not want.  Shameful.
Our forefathers did not want POTUS to engage in bribery shakedown schemes with foreign entities. Impeachment and removal is the remedy they specifically prescribed for this exact situation. 

 
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How can there be an other?  Is that like the world blows up/doomsday scenario?  I'm shuked.

Voted impeached but I don't think it matters.  GOP is pot committed at this point with Trump - it will take something huge to get them to turn on him.  Maybe if he kisses Hillary on national TV or something.

 
Our forefathers did not want POTUS to engage in bribery shakedown schemes with foreign entities. Impeachment and removal is the remedy they specifically prescribed for this exact situation. 
Also a bit disingenuous to claim that about the democrats when we literally have GOP senators saying the won't read the impeachment documents or watch the proceedings.

 
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It seems rather obvious that even the GOP determined obstruction of justice to be an impeachable offense (see Clinton scandal)....if they had simply that one article to present, there is mounds of evidence to support said article.  I can think of well over 2 dozen instances where he's attempted to obstruct justice (or at the very least his actions could be construed as an attempt to obstruct justice) not even including the Mueller investigation.  I'd be rather shocked if he weren't impeached.  What's puzzling is the moving target the GOP has created with respect to obstruction being an impeachable offense.  All of a sudden that doesn't raise to the level of impeachment?  How people take those yahoos seriously is beyond me.

ETA:  This is why the "the Dems have predetermined what they are going to do before hearing all the evidence" shtick is so elementary and laughable.  I can't think of a single honest position that would see him firing people for "loyalty" to him or telling/threatening people to keep from testifying as acceptable and not an attempt to obstruct.

 
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Why have you given up hope? Personally, I think the chances he's re-elected are low because:

1. His original margin of victory wasn't large.

2. He's done nothing to gain supporters.

3. He done plenty to lose them and/or energize his opponents.

4. His opponent will be more likable than Hillary. 
This is what I keep saying to those who are losing hope. People like me voted 3rd party last time. We are VBNMW this time around. That's pretty much all it would take to kill his chances in 2020. However, if you look at the youth turnout in 2018 it bodes very favorably for 2020. So much so that I think the real question is not if trump loses 2020, but if the Senate flips. Youth voters hate trump so much that they will be coming out en masse and probably not just voting on the presidential race. They could be the key to flipping unlikely states like Texas. 

Furthermore, look at trump's approval and disapproval ratings when he was elected vs. now. He's dead in the water. Even if the dems were dumb enough to run Hillary again, trump would still lose. His faithful 41% will not be enough. In 2016, his base was 100% energized. In 2020, his opposition is 100% energized. We independents and apathetics are no longer independent or apathetic, even if only temporary in some cases. Personally, this has been a wake up call and I'll be voting in primaries going forward. We can't afford to have another Hillary vs. trump election. Literally

 
In 2016, his base was 100% energized. In 2020, his opposition is 100% energized. 
Thanks. Everyone I'm sure remembers it differently and you likely pay way more attention than I do. With that said, I don't remember 2016 like that at all. I remember the jokes about how he didn't even want to run and it had been a practical joke gone wrong and it was going to be hilarious watching him get demolished. I don't think even HE had much thought he'd win. 

I've no doubt the opposition is more energized now. But I think the Trump supporters are way more energized now than 2016. 

 
Thanks. Everyone I'm sure remembers it differently and you likely pay way more attention than I do. With that said, I don't remember 2016 like that at all. I remember the jokes about how he didn't even want to run and it had been a practical joke gone wrong and it was going to be hilarious watching him get demolished. I don't think even HE had much thought he'd win. 

I've no doubt the opposition is more energized now. But I think the Trump supporters are way more energized now than 2016. 
Trump supporters maybe but Hillary detractors were what got him elected, IMO.  I think if Ninja changed his statement to change his base out for those against Hillary were 100% energized then I think he would be accurate.  I think there's a decent number of those people will not vote for him again.

 
Thanks. Everyone I'm sure remembers it differently and you likely pay way more attention than I do. With that said, I don't remember 2016 like that at all. I remember the jokes about how he didn't even want to run and it had been a practical joke gone wrong and it was going to be hilarious watching him get demolished. I don't think even HE had much thought he'd win. 

I've no doubt the opposition is more energized now. But I think the Trump supporters are way more energized now than 2016. 
Actually, if you phrase it that way, we probably were on the same page prior to the election in 2016. I was not paying close attention and almost everyone I knew thought it was a joke, too. But we are professional city folk. The Obama hating rurals came out in force. Their level of turnout was unexpected and is what ultimately tipped the election. This is just what I've read from recap articles. Apparently metro area voting was depressed while rural was higher. I believe minority voting was also down. 

I believe the people that voted for him are even more fired up than ever, but I don't expect their turnout to be that much higher. I do, however, expect youth, metro area, and minority voting turnout to spike in 2020. Additionally, his approval rating has dropped since the election and his disapproval rating has ballooned, lending credence to the idea that less people will be voting for him and more people will be voting against him. 

 
In 2016, his base was 100% energized. In 2020, his opposition is 100% energized. 
Thanks. Everyone I'm sure remembers it differently and you likely pay way more attention than I do. With that said, I don't remember 2016 like that at all. I remember the jokes about how he didn't even want to run and it had been a practical joke gone wrong and it was going to be hilarious watching him get demolished. I don't think even HE had much thought he'd win. 

I've no doubt the opposition is more energized now. But I think the Trump supporters are way more energized now than 2016. 
I don't think that your observations are mutually exclusive to what FF Ninja observed. It's true that people joked about Trump and his chances to win in 2016, but I think it's also true that his base was 100% energized in 2016.

 
Trump supporters maybe but Hillary detractors were what got him elected, IMO.  I think if Ninja changed his statement to change his base out for those against Hillary were 100% energized then I think he would be accurate.  I think there's a decent number of those people will not vote for him again.
Thanks.

When you say "Hillary Detractors" do you mean that they were Democrat leaning but just didn't vote for her?

 
I don't think that your observations are mutually exclusive to what FF Ninja observed. It's true that people joked about Trump and his chances to win in 2016, but I think it's also true that his base was 100% energized in 2016.
Thanks. We'll have to disagree there. I saw very little energy from Trump supporters. Most I know were resigned to defeat and low energy. 

 
Actually, if you phrase it that way, we probably were on the same page prior to the election in 2016. I was not paying close attention and almost everyone I knew thought it was a joke, too. But we are professional city folk. The Obama hating rurals came out in force. Their level of turnout was unexpected and is what ultimately tipped the election. This is just what I've read from recap articles. Apparently metro area voting was depressed while rural was higher. I believe minority voting was also down. 

I believe the people that voted for him are even more fired up than ever, but I don't expect their turnout to be that much higher. I do, however, expect youth, metro area, and minority voting turnout to spike in 2020. Additionally, his approval rating has dropped since the election and his disapproval rating has ballooned, lending credence to the idea that less people will be voting for him and more people will be voting against him. 
I know it's fun to call it Obama hate but I don't think that's accurate. I do agree there was a big rural vs city thing. I've linked this many times but this article sums up a ton of it. https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

 
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Much better chance of him not being impeached than being removed.  I hold out hope that Dems will come to their senses.  Crazy I know.

 
Much better chance of him not being impeached than being removed.  I hold out hope that Dems will come to their senses.  Crazy I know.
After his Tweets today attacking Yovanovitch a witness before Congress, in real time, while she is testifying in order to intimidate her, there is no doubt that he will be impeached. None. A fait accompli 

 
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After his Tweets today attacking Yovanovitch a witness before Congress, in real time, while she is testifying in order to intimidate her, there is no doubt that he will be impeached. None. A fait accompli 
No doubt???  I can't fathom someone who has watched the entire testimony so far that can conclude he deserves to be impeached.  Have you watched?

 
  I can't fathom someone who has watched the entire testimony so far that can conclude he deserves to be impeached.  
I felt bad for not being able to fathom 60 million Americans in 2016. The fact that you can’t fathom nearly 200 million Americans makes me feel a little better. 

 
No doubt???  I can't fathom someone who has watched the entire testimony so far that can conclude he deserves to be impeached.  Have you watched?
I watched and I saw his Tweet in real time while Yovanovitch was testifying, which is attempted witness intimidation and obstruction of justice, not to mention abuse of power. 

If the Democrats had nothing else, they could impeach him just for his Tweets this morning.

It's over. He will be impeached. Will he removed from office by the Senate? Probably not, but the odds against him increased a bit today, based on his own actions. 

 
I watched and I saw his Tweet in real time while Yovanovitch was testifying, which is attempted witness intimidation and obstruction of justice, not to mention abuse of power. 

If the Democrats had nothing else, they could impeach him just for his Tweets this morning.

It's over. He will be impeached. Will he removed from office by the Senate? Probably not, but the odds against him increased a bit today, based on his own actions. 
Yeah......ok.  Still a nothing burger as no impeachable offense exists.  Sorry.

 
I watched and I saw his Tweet in real time while Yovanovitch was testifying, which is attempted witness intimidation and obstruction of justice, not to mention abuse of power. 

If the Democrats had nothing else, they could impeach him just for his Tweets this morning.

It's over. He will be impeached. Will he removed from office by the Senate? Probably not, but the odds against him increased a bit today, based on his own actions. 
What if she doesn't follow him on twitter...is is still harassment?

 

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