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Ouch. That seems harsh, GB. I'm not even sure what I did that's like tim. But if you tell me, I swear I can make sure I change.
It's criminal that you think that was criminal.
Maybe we could just draw the line at ripping off somebodys safety gear and trying to beat them with it after the whistle blew? Seems like that would be easy.
I'm glad your back and posting at a good pace Mr. Shiek. Please continue.I wasn't blaming you, GB. I was just making a joke.
While it technically meets all the elements of criminal assault, and I don't think a consent defense would work (as opposed to a hard hit in the course of play), the chances of criminal prosecution are extremely low. The main reason is just historical precedent - it never happens. The only example I'm aware of was the Pistons-Pacers brawl at the Palace, which resulted in criminal assault charges against several players. That incident is slightly different because it also involved a fan, an usher and some other non-players.
I only know two of those posters. And I'm not sure what the vibe is.I dunno. These threads so have a bit of a Tim/Wheelhouse/Yandek vibe about them.
"Bertuzzi was charged with criminal assault causing bodily harm. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to one year probation and 80 hours of community service."
Because charging a guy with misdemeanor assault leads to a potential jail term of a maximum of 60 days and a maximum $500 fine. And it's not a slam dunk that the State wins that case, because they were in the middle of a violent game.
I noted the hockey exception in my edit - are any of those in the US?
I'm not trying to play devil's advocate. I 100% agree what he did is assault and would have no issues if he would have been arrested for it. Just trying to rationalize why the league doesn't interfere with regards to assault.
I think it would be terrible for rudolph to go to cops. Nobody would respect him anymore.
But we've learned that any kind of hit to the head can lead to serious injuries that last a lifetime. I mean, they've outlawed headers in kids soccer. A helmet to the head can't be good for the brain.
It doesn't matter whether he "goes to the cops" or "presses charges." Its all on video. The police have nothing to do with it anymore. It is entirely up to the local prosecutor whether or not to charge the player with assault. He almost certainly won't, for the simple reason that doing so is extremely rare. In this case, it seems ever more unlikely since no one was hurt.
First off, how's your head?I dunno. These threads so have a bit of a Tim/Wheelhouse/Yandek vibe about them.
Then I guess they'd also have to charge Pouncey for once Garrett was on the ground laying there and Pouncey repeatedly kicked him in the head.
I think pouncey would go down too. Rudolph would be considered the problem, not the guys that acted like lunatics.
The small difference in all these is the victims were bystanders when attacked.
I guess. I'm all for charging people when they do stuff like this. I'm not talking about fighting. I mean, hitting someone with a helmet when they aren't wearing one could have really injured that guy. Just like I believe Bertuzzi, McSorely and Ciccerelli all deserved to be charged. Just because people are playing a game doesn't mean they can do horrible things and be protected by that game.
And they'd have to charge the entire Browns organization for defrauding season ticket buyers by promising a successful season.
If you stomp on someone's head, you can be charged with assault with a deadly weapon. If it can kill you, it's a deadly weapon.
I'd feel more like it should happen if Rudolph hadn't been chasing him down, shouting, and grabbing at him while he was being held by a Steelers lineman and the refs were separating them and trying to stop the whole thing. That's when Garrett swung.
Depends. Ohio law isn't likely to allow that. They define deadly weapons a little more narrowly than some.
I could see that argument. But I don't think just because two guys are fighting, that you can excuse an assault like that. But I get what you're saying.
If you chase after a guy threatening him while your buddy is holding him and he hits you in the head with a brick, I don't feel too strongly that he needs to be charged with a crime.
Depends on the size. The law differentiates between 1st degree, 2nd degree and 3rd degree dildos.
Not to mention he pulled the helmet off his head. It didn't look easy to do. The hit seems pretty intentional to me. Randolph may be ok now but we'll see later on. Issues with the brain from blows to it can show up later on.
i also amendment my statement - I think all those cases were in Canada also - not US courts.
Well, now I think you're just "lawyering it up" here. That's a completely different scenario. In real life, yes, I would agree. In football, guys go after each other all of the time, jaw at each other, push each other, punch each other's helmets (for some stupid reason)... and that's all fine. You do that in real life, different story.
