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Bolivia Coup (1 Viewer)
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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SaintsInDome2006
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Whether it’s Bolivia, Venezuela, Honduras, Ukraine or the US, there seems to be a coterie of fellow travelers who seem to think republican assemblies or congresses holding constitutional authority to remove presidents shouldn’t have that power.
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ren hoek
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Juxtatarot
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There was massive voter fraud and a new election is suppose to happen in 90 days, right?
parasaurolophus
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Are the voter fraud claims proven?
I would be far more likely to believe the courts to be corrupt and in bed with morales since they allowed him to run again.
Henry Ford
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I’m not aware of any violence prior to Morales’ resignation. What happened before that? Even Morales doesn’t call it a “violent coup.”
ren hoek
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Big shoutout to everyone who applauded the coup in Bolivia as a victory for democracy:
Atahualpa Quiroga @milongasub
The Añez government in Bolivia has just emitted a decree exempting the military of any legal responsibility for abuses committed during repression. License to kill. #BoliviaEnDictadura
Atahualpa Quiroga @milongasub
The Añez government in Bolivia has just emitted a decree exempting the military of any legal responsibility for abuses committed during repression. License to kill. #BoliviaEnDictadura
ren hoek
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Good thread on things happening right now:
Reporter gets pepper-sprayed in the middle of a live hit (by those forces of democracy) in Bolivia and plows right through it. This is impressive stuff, and helps reveal what’s going on there...
Here are the names of those shot and wounded by coup backers. I’ll also share photos, some graphic, so be warned if you continue with this thread. But the US media is ignoring this slaughter and it’s important to understand what’s happening there...
This is information and documentation being collected by human rights activists and forwarded by @AndeanInfoNet. The protest march was peaceful until the military opened fire from the air and ground
Reporter gets pepper-sprayed in the middle of a live hit (by those forces of democracy) in Bolivia and plows right through it. This is impressive stuff, and helps reveal what’s going on there...
Here are the names of those shot and wounded by coup backers. I’ll also share photos, some graphic, so be warned if you continue with this thread. But the US media is ignoring this slaughter and it’s important to understand what’s happening there...
This is information and documentation being collected by human rights activists and forwarded by @AndeanInfoNet. The protest march was peaceful until the military opened fire from the air and ground
msommer
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msommer
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There was some rioting, one protestor (anti Morales, I believe) was killed and the (pro Morales) mayor of that area was detained by rioters, forcibly had her hair cut and had red paint poured on her
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msommer
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What is shown in those graphs is not how elections in Bolivia work.
What Morales did was to declare victory in the first round, which requires 50% of the votes counted, not just the largest amount.
This is what sparked the Anti Morales demonstrations and in some cases rioting.
And the OAS said that this (Morales' declaration of victory in the first round) was not correct.
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msommer
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I believe so. I remember reading that story after OAS had declared the election fishy and before the story that the military leadership had asked Morales to resign. Certainly it was in the same 24 hr period,
The somewhat confusing thing is that the people demonstrating and rioting before were anti Morales and the people demonstrating and rioting now are pro Morales
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parasaurolophus
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msommer
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In any case
From the link in the post above
What part the 24 hour halt in counting called in the middle of the process by Morales had on that detemination will be for the OAS to clarify
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ren hoek
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There's a lot of important details about the runup to this, and there's certainly something to be said for Morales' use of the supreme court in 2017 to allow him to run again. But, like it or not, it was an entirely legal mechanism for his 2019 run.
The OAS is 60% funded by the US government, which doesn't have a great track record in Latin America. It's not a neutral authority here.
Morales had a strange mechanical failure with his helicopter (just saying, video here) about a week prior to his forced resignation. The coup came less than a week after Morales cut off a multinational firm's lithium deal.
It's a military/police overthrow of an elected government. Whatever people think of Morales- he's a good man as far as I can gather- he certainly had a lot more legitimacy than Añez.
The OAS is 60% funded by the US government, which doesn't have a great track record in Latin America. It's not a neutral authority here.
Morales had a strange mechanical failure with his helicopter (just saying, video here) about a week prior to his forced resignation. The coup came less than a week after Morales cut off a multinational firm's lithium deal.
It's a military/police overthrow of an elected government. Whatever people think of Morales- he's a good man as far as I can gather- he certainly had a lot more legitimacy than Añez.
When the military forces the president from power its a coup. Period. End of story. And when it happens in a Latin American country to a president who wants to nationalize valuable mines you can be damn sure its a CIA coup. It boggles the mind that there are still people who don't understand this.
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Some say Tesla is behind this for the lithium. If "Ego" Morales hadn't overplayed his hand, I doubt if there would've been a military coup.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/andres-oppenheimer/article237247604.html
Dr Oadi
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CIA Major American subsidized corporations but I am the threat. I am the danger. Just one young dumb white kid with a gun who notices demographics.
Better do do something about that.
On on the bright side if I am the danger and dumb white kids with guns are the threat.
The American military finally comes home.
Yay. America gets to kill her brother.
One.
More.
Time.
ren hoek
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You kind of expect the Trump people to go along with the State Dept line. They immediately recognized the Christian supremacist as President of Bolivia.
What’s surprising is to see everyone else adopt these flimsy arguments whenever it’s time to overthrow the next leftist Latin American boogeyman, with minerals/resources that they refuse to sellout to western powers. There’s always some new excuse for a legitimate head of state to be overthrown.
These people don’t oppose Trump. They just want an ivy-encrusted academic running the regime change ops again.
ren hoek
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Ryan Grim @ryangrim
Evo Morales’ party, MAS, controls 2/3 of the legislature. The new self-declared ruler is promising to arrest those democratically elected lawmakers. US media utterly silent.
Juan Manuel Karg @jmkarg
La dictadura boliviana anuncia que desde mañana lunes detendrá a legisladores del Movimiento al Socialismo. Murillo, que días atrás habló de una "cacería", dice que ya tiene una lista de diputados para detener. Esto es gravísimo
The Bolivian dictatorship announces that from tomorrow Monday it will stop legislators of the Movement to Socialism. Murillo, who days ago spoke of a "hunt", says he already has a list of deputies to stop. This is very serious.
Evo Morales’ party, MAS, controls 2/3 of the legislature. The new self-declared ruler is promising to arrest those democratically elected lawmakers. US media utterly silent.
Juan Manuel Karg @jmkarg
La dictadura boliviana anuncia que desde mañana lunes detendrá a legisladores del Movimiento al Socialismo. Murillo, que días atrás habló de una "cacería", dice que ya tiene una lista de diputados para detener. Esto es gravísimo
The Bolivian dictatorship announces that from tomorrow Monday it will stop legislators of the Movement to Socialism. Murillo, who days ago spoke of a "hunt", says he already has a list of deputies to stop. This is very serious.
Alex P Keaton
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“Legal.”
I’m not a fan of overthrowing a government ever. I’m also not a fan of wanna-be-dictators manipulating the system to become a ruler-for-life.
Alex P Keaton
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I’m not a fan of we, the US, participating in the overthrow of a government. To be more clear.
I think there should be exceptions. Overthrowing the German government in the early-mid 1940s seemed justified.
Defining the precise contours of the exceptions seems tricky, but there must be some.
I agree. However, not sure what this has to do with what is happening in Bolivia (of course, the thread title seems misleading too).
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ren hoek
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The elected government in Bolivia was violently overthrown. Through threat of military/police force, threats against MAS families and diplomats, houses burned down and mayors dragged through the street, preceding virulent racism and military suppression against the indigenous population of Bolivia, a US-backed Christian supremacist declared herself the ruler of Bolivia. That's facts. That's a coup. Not sure why people are struggling with that.
Alex P Keaton
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I struggle whenever an “elected leader” strong arms others to change the constitution to allow for more time as the “elected leader.”
msommer
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Yep. And I also pause when the "elected leader" decides that counting begun should halt for 24 hours for no apparent reason (and then declares himself a winner), and when the correct international body to look at election malfeasance declares the vote manipulated and recommends it be redone.
But that's just me
The true vote count was never suspended, only the "Quick Count" which was suspended at the suggestion of OAS. And of course Morales did agree to new elections. But the army forbade him from running, is terrorizing members of his party, and gunning down civilians. So, yay for democracy I guess.
ren hoek
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I don't. If the MAS want him to run again and he still has popular support it's not our place to say who their leader can be. The supreme court decision was to allow him to run for an election again- democracy, in other words- not to be crowned king dictator for life.
msommer
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If Añez calls for new elections within her 90 day window, that are verified intermationally and not manipulated; with no requirement for exceptions for term limits required or granted to any candidates, yes, yay for the constitution and yay for democracy
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God Bless Bolivia's Racist Coup | Pablo Navarrete
Good piece here. Watch this for some background on the fascist, paramilitary links to Bolivia's new unelected rulers.
Good piece here. Watch this for some background on the fascist, paramilitary links to Bolivia's new unelected rulers.
How can any election called by this government be legitimate when they are currently murdering their opponents?
Alex P Keaton
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SaintsInDome2006
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ren hoek
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Perhaps they did. In any case, looks like the supreme court is allowed to change the constitution. It's still no excuse for the coup.
SaintsInDome2006
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Well, let me ask you then if the President simply decides to ignore the court, the assembly and the constitution, and if police or military step aside, what then?
ren hoek
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He didn't ignore the court- the court permitted him to run. He didn't ignore the assembly- he agreed to hold another election. The constitution isn't monolithic- if it were, the SC wouldn't be able to change it.
Not sure what hypothetical you're getting at but it's pretty absurd to imply Morales was some sort of dictator.
SaintsInDome2006
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Maybe I need to better inform myself. I thought he was term limited and the assembly essentially impeached him. I’ll circle back.
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