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Taken care of on the field? You're joking right? So getting bashed in your skull isn't quite enough, especially when they were just tussling on the ground. You really shouldn't post anymore, that's a ridiculous thing to say.
Agreed. The people, here and elsewhere, who are focused more on Rudolph because "he started it" rather than Garrett ought to be ashamed of themselves. Yeah, Rudolph lost his cool there for a few seconds, but Garrett is the one who went nuclear by bashing an opponent (not wearing a helmet) over the head with a helmet. If his suspension ends up being just the last 6 games this season, he should consider himself lucky.
I get how you read that and why, but it completely missed the mark in what I'm referring to. Rudolph is pillow soft and 30 other teams throughout the league saw that happen. The Browns were in his head all night and it was evident in his play late in that game. The end of game meltdown was just window dressing. The Bungles may be bad enough for it not to matter, but I think you're going to see a very clear objective with every team's approach to this team as long as he is under center - don't let the defense beat you, get in Mason's head, then watch him crumble under the pressure.
My apologies, I misunderstood your reference. I thought you were saying for someone to go after him. But I agree with the other assessment, he isn't nfl material at all.
Then there would be nothing which is what happens every other time someone's helmet gets ripped off. It would have been just a normal skirmish and if any punches thrown then ejections and moving on. No long term suspensions and just a normal skirmish.
Nothing anyone says will change my mind about what unfortunately transpired last week. Actions speak louder than words. Don't tell me; show me.
I think it is very likely that the Browns are gonna want to inflict punishment on Rudolph when they play again. They lost their superstar on defense for the rest of the year and probably more because of this clown. They are a team that seems to be trending up but this will be a huge loss. I think Rudolph is in major danger of bodily injury when they play again which is why I have a feeling he won't be playing that game. I predict he doesn't play that weak unless the Steelers no longer care about his future.
While Rudolph definitely had a role in this, Garrett is suspended for the ROY and may be longer because of his own dumb actions.
I was more alluding to the fact that Rudolph was terribly exposed as a non-NFL caliber QB. The CLE might have been the worst game we’ve seen a QB play this year. At the end of it, he instigated a fight with a man who could likely break him in half in a back alley. Yet, because of the helmet swing...it seems to have been glossed over entirely.
Boohoohoo. Honestly I think Rudolph is awful as a QB but he didn’t cost the Browns anything. The hot head Garrett cost the Browns.
Some are. Some aren't. Isn't any different than any other fanbase. Every fanbase has some idiots and some that only see what's happening through rose colored glasses. Thinking otherwise is just naive.
(I think) you're right - my bad.
I don't know about being in his head but one thing IS for sure, the Browns were in the Steelers backfield and in Rudolph's face all night and no QB likes that. You should be well aware of it after watching Mayfield's performance under pressure all season.
Mayfield did not handle pressure well early in the season. That changed sometime after the debacle in San Francisco. What's happened since then is much more in line with what he showed last year. Of course no quarterback likes pressure, but it's reality in this league. How are you going to handle it? Baker's made corrections and has consistently shown that the last several weeks. Mason? Not so much. As bad as things got with Baker early in the season it was never anything like that, so that comparison strikes me as a real silly one.
All I am saying is that Rudolph was under extreme pressure all game and that had a lot to do with his performance. I am not a mind-reader so I have no idea if the Browns "got into his head" or not. I was just referencing Mayfield because the games where I saw him under a lot of pressure he played poorly. I am not saying Rudolph is better than Mayfield nor am I even saying that Rudolph is any good at all.
So he pushed a guy in his helmet? And after his helmet got removed he objected? OK. SOrry that bothers you. I saw a lot worse on the playgrounds of Suitland as a 5 year old.
I am fascinated by the perspective that Rudolph instigated this. as I watched it I saw Rudolph dump the ball off in a meaningless play that could not have possibly effected the game in the waning seconds. The game, a disappointing game for Rudolph, no doubt, was all but over. Garret, having seen the pass, or at least looking right at it continued on to Rudolph. He needlessly wrapped him up and then he wrestled him to the ground, swinging him side to side to get him down. A more needless hit on the Q.B. I cannot recall. (Correction, I do recall some clown launching over the line and whacking a Q.B. lined up in victory formation, maybe a college game, maybe Rutgers? That was about the equivalent of this as the Steelers had already waived the white flag and the hit was unnecessary in the extreme. that hit, even while not savage, was provocative as it was uncalled for.)To me that was the instigation here. Those that say Rudolph instigated this by his response once on the ground seem, to me, to be picking a very strange start point for the incident. Still, that opinion or impression does seem a bit more prevalent than I would ever have imagined.
Agreed. He might suck but that doesn't make him soft as was implied or weak as was stated.
I agree with this. The guy was thrown to the ground and Garrett was on top of him. He was trying to get Garrett off him. Garrett then proceeded to lift Rudolph off the ground by the helmet which eventually came off. Rudolph's actions while on the great were very typical of many QB's when a DL is pinning him down unnecessarily.
I'm referring to all of them. Not just Mason.
Looking at it frame by frame, I believe it was Samuels the pass was thrown to. He could not have been more than 5 yards away (laterally). When you freeze the moment that Rudolph is first in Garrett’s grasp, the ball is halfway to Samuels. And Rudolph’s pass wasn’t of the ‘wind up and fire’ variety. More of a ‘quick and in an instant shovel’. From my perspective QB’s get hit like that plenty of times - no flags are thrown. And we can all agree they are a protected species.
I don't think most people think enough of him to care and frankly I am surprised that you're so bent out of shape over him.
Fair, but I'm not bent out of shape over him. As I said in my first post in this thread I don't think he's long for the league. If he is remembered for anything it will be due to this incident. Otherwise he'll be just one of the many terrible and forgotten quarterbacks that came before him. I just think what happened Thursday will expedite that exit. Not just what happened at the end of the game or during - all of it. There are worse backup quarterbacks that have lasted in the league, but mental makeup is the priority. He doesn't have it and that was obvious before showing up to read a prepared statement.
