Not only that, it's potential capital when you want to pull off a Jalen Ramsey type trade.:(
The 1sts given up for Davenport could've been:
2018 -- LB Leighton Van Der Esch or LB Darius Leonard
2019 -- WR Deebo Samuel or Mecole Hardman
And we had DE Trey Hendrickson already in the fold showing out.
You’re comparing a guy with a solid fifteen year track record to one with three. Of course some are going take the “safe” pick. That’s like offering someone a guaranteed rate of return of 20%, or a 50/50 chance of doubling their money. Not sure what that poll is proving? Put one up about how many would prefer Mahomes or McCaffrey at the start of their career, knowing what we know three years in, and see what the results are in a 1 QB ppr league. By the way, you didn’t answer the question. How many “Manning’s” have there been? A top 3 drafted NFL QB with elite fantasy potential whom ended up providing anywhere near elite fantasy potential. Probably one is my guess. I’d say odds are highly against number two being Burrows. But hey, maybe you’ll get Eli Manning for fifteen years?So far in my poll, 2/3 of respondents think it's Manning.
I agree, GB.MT + AK + Picks is a non-starter. I'm not even sure the Saints would entertain a Cam Jordan / AK / Picks scenario.
But if the Saints brain trust has gotten together and determined it's time to blow things up, you can make a case for MT + AK. MT makes a lot of bread and AK will soon. Frees up future cap space for the Saints and allows them to build a team around JB. But why would the Bengals do that? They don't seem like the kind of team that wants to take on big salaries. As much as MT would help them (or anyone) I don't think they'd take him instead of a bunch of picks. WR seems to be one of the "strengths" of the Bengals anyway.
I have nothing but my gut telling me this, but I think the other player they're sniffing around (if that story has any truth) is Lattimore. He has a reasonable contract for a shut-down type, and would be a great addition on the Bengals at a sore point of need. AK + Lattimore + a couple of high picks? Doesn't sound all that crazy.
The Saints have shown that when they want a shiny toy they will overpay to get it (I'm looking at you, Davenport).
My favorite post so far today.You’re comparing a guy with a solid fifteen year track record to one with three. Of course some are going take the “safe” pick. That’s like offering someone a guaranteed rate of return of 20%, or a 50/50 chance of doubling their money. Not sure what that poll is proving? Put one up about how many would prefer Mahomes or McCaffrey at the start of their career, knowing what we know three years in, and see what the results are in a 1 QB ppr league. By the way, you didn’t answer the question. How many “Manning’s” have there been? A top 3 drafted NFL QB with elite fantasy potential whom ended up providing anywhere near elite fantasy potential. Probably one is my guess. I’d say odds are highly against number two being Burrows. But hey, maybe you’ll get Eli Manning for fifteen years?
I'm proving that my original statement was correct. Peyton Manning is more valuable. So if you think you've got one (much like the NFL draft) then you take him. Sure, it's not always going to work out, but neither is the RB.You’re comparing a guy with a solid fifteen year track record to one with three. Of course some are going take the “safe” pick. That’s like offering someone a guaranteed rate of return of 20%, or a 50/50 chance of doubling their money. Not sure what that poll is proving? Put one up about how many would prefer Mahomes or McCaffrey at the start of their career, knowing what we know three years in, and see what the results are in a 1 QB ppr league. By the way, you didn’t answer the question. How many “Manning’s” have there been? A top 3 drafted NFL QB with elite fantasy potential whom ended up providing anywhere near elite fantasy potential. Probably one is my guess. I’d say odds are highly against number two being Burrows. But hey, maybe you’ll get Eli Manning for fifteen years?
Nice avoidance, again. Good luck with that “next Peyton Manning” at it would be the first one since...well, apparently Peyton Manning. Seems like you’ve got good odds to hit that walk off grand slam.I'm proving that my original statement was correct. Peyton Manning is more valuable. So if you think you've got one (much like the NFL draft) then you take him. Sure, it's not always going to work out, but neither is the RB.
What am I avoiding? I said there's nothing more valuable than landing Peyton Manning for 14 years and you said landing McCaffrey or Kamara was. I was supporting my position.Nice avoidance, again. Good luck with that “next Peyton Manning” at it would be the first one since...well, apparently Peyton Manning. Seems like you’ve got good odds to hit that walk off grand slam.
Throw in a package of Chuckles and some Necco Wafers and we'll talk.Someone is positing a Saints trade involving Thomas, Kamara, AND picks?
If that doesn't work are they planning on adding a velociraptor, a moon base, and eleventy billion dollars?
Circumstances in college can be everything. Wasn't Brady relatively unheralded - a backup or, at least, back and forth with other QBs while at Michigan?Andy Dufresne said:Well sometimes it's hard to tell what you're saying.
As to Burrow the diagnosis is simple if you look at it as a whole. First, he JUST turned 23 last month. Second, he redshirted at OSU then got stuck behind JT Barrett and Dwayne Haskins. Third, he played last year in an offense that would have been considered archaic when Yale was playing for national championships. In a year where he's put in a modern offense - voila - he sets records and wins the Heisman.
And you're cherry picking your examples to prove your hypothesis. In fact the opposite is generally more true - guys that come out early have a larger chance of busting than those who stay. Here's a recent article on the phenomena - https://www.profootballweekly.com/2016/12/05/greg-gabriel-quarterbacks-need-to-think-twice-before-entering-nfl-draft-early/arzc3pk/
It really feels like you're being contrarian just for the sake of it. You DO contribute a lot of good stuff. But lately it's increasingly off the wall.
Presume we're talking dynasty drafts...I doubt he will go in the first round of 1QB leagues. He could go 1.11 or 1.12 I suppose.
yes, talking dynasty. Is there any other kind?Presume we're talking dynasty drafts...
I probably need a QB on my main dynasty team and currently hold the 1.08 Personally, I think that might be too high as a top 2-3 WR could still be on the board. When I look around the league, most teams have a rock solid QB. I think I could trade into the early 2nd and grab him. At least that will feel a little less risky. Going to play this one by ear. A lot could change based on draft spot. He might be available at 2.08 as a Bengal or he could be off the board before 1.08 if he lands in a prime spot.
Going to be tough considering they have the 24th pick and no 2nd round pick.Joe Burrow in a Louisiana market is a dream scenario from a business perspective. Make it happen Saints.
When you posted it it was the first I'd heard of it, by the afternoon two people mentioned it to me. Thanks for @'ing me.Have you seen Swimmer trying to sell this exact scenario for the Saints over on Saintsreport?
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It's technically picks, Kamara + ?. So the ? is any premium player that supposedly the Bengals would want, so it could be Lattimore for instance, or Ramczyk. I personally see those guys on the same level fwiw. Lattimore's arrival changed the defense, I don't care what PFF ranks him, and Ramczyk arriving coincided with the refocus on run success. I guess the funny thing is if the Tigers hadn't recalibrated their offense with a Saints assistant Burrow could have been a mid or lower round pick available for the taking. - It's also funny because this regime has by and large stayed away from picking LSU players. I think I can recall them drafting one since 2006 despite all the talent that has been on display year after year. The school they love is Ohio State.Someone is positing a Saints trade involving Thomas, Kamara, AND picks?
If that doesn't work are they planning on adding a velociraptor, a moon base, and eleventy billion dollars?
Something I've been curious about is how South Ohio is viewing Burrow, because isn't he a local boy there as well? I'd think there would be a lot of enthusiasm in Cincy. Taylor is a pretty terrific fit also I'd think.Joe Burrow in a Louisiana market is a dream scenario from a business perspective. Make it happen Saints.
I agree....he really is not a bad fit anywhere obviously. Cincy is lucky to be in their position.Something I've been curious about is how South Ohio is viewing Burrow, because isn't he a local boy there as well? I'd think there would be a lot of enthusiasm in Cincy. Taylor is a pretty terrific fit also I'd think.
99% chance he is in Cincinnati in 2020 but it would be interesting to read Joe's mind as to where he would most like to be.I agree....he really is not a bad fit anywhere obviously. Cincy is lucky to be in their position.
Would Kamara be of much value to a team that already has Mixon? Thomas would be a different story. But who needs a QB more than Cincy? Really can't see the Bengals trading out of that pick unless Burrow isn't the guy they want.SaintsInDome2006 said:It's technically picks, Kamara + ?. So the ? is any premium player that supposedly the Bengals would want, so it could be Lattimore for instance, or Ramczyk. I personally see those guys on the same level fwiw. Lattimore's arrival changed the defense, I don't care what PFF ranks him, and Ramczyk arriving coincided with the refocus on run success. I guess the funny thing is if the Tigers hadn't recalibrated their offense with a Saints assistant Burrow could have been a mid or lower round pick available for the taking. - It's also funny because this regime has by and large stayed away from picking LSU players. I think I can recall them drafting one since 2006 despite all the talent that has been on display year after year. The school they love is Ohio State.
That whole Kamara for Burrow rumour might be the stupidest thing I've read this year.Would Kamara be of much value to a team that already has Mixon? Thomas would be a different story. But who needs a QB more than Cincy? Really can't see the Bengals trading out of that pick unless Burrow isn't the guy they want.
Was going to say similar. Positionally it makes little sense for Cincy.Would Kamara be of much value to a team that already has Mixon? Thomas would be a different story. But who needs a QB more than Cincy? Really can't see the Bengals trading out of that pick unless Burrow isn't the guy they want.
Like most of the fantasy offers I get... How does that work for me?Was going to say similar. Positionally it makes little sense for Cincy.
That thread is ridiculous, and the fans clamoring for NO to get Burrow at all costs are dumb. The team is built to win now. We need all the draft picks we have as OL, DL, WR, and probably LB need to be addressed. I like Burrow as a prospect, but he's far from a for sure thing. No need to set the franchise back for a young QB.Doug B said:Have you seen Swimmer trying to sell this exact scenario for the Saints over on Saintsreport?
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Yes. For sure he is being viewed as a local kid coming home. This is a gold mine for the Bengals. Besides marketing and fan excitement, let’s say Burrow is a huge star. Who is ever going to be more likely to resign and stay the face of the franchise for a 2nd contract than a southern Ohio kid?SaintsInDome2006 said:Something I've been curious about is how South Ohio is viewing Burrow, because isn't he a local boy there as well? I'd think there would be a lot of enthusiasm in Cincy. Taylor is a pretty terrific fit also I'd think.
Paul Brown just rolled over in his grave.I was listening to Cecil Lammey on local sports talk here in Denver yesterday. He was recently at the Shrine Bowl and said there was a buzz that Cincinnati is enamored with Herbert. Would they be dumb enough to not trade down if so?
I know this is going to be splitting hairs, but Burrow is from SE Ohio. I'm from Ohio and I think the state is split more East-West than North-South. So if I were guessing, I'd guess that Burrow actually grew up a Browns fan.Yes. For sure he is being viewed as a local kid coming home. This is a gold mine for the Bengals. Besides marketing and fan excitement, let’s say Burrow is a huge star. Who is ever going to be more likely to resign and stay the face of the franchise for a 2nd contract than a southern Ohio kid?
Besides all the other reasons why the Saints idea is weird, Joe Mixon and Alvin Kamara on the same team makes zero sense.
CarolinaLeroy Hoard said:99% chance he is in Cincinnati in 2020 but it would be interesting to read Joe's mind as to where he would most like to be.
Has there been much chatter on a destination? Any links?Chicago
Just my guess. Makes too much senseHas there been much chatter on a destination? Any links?
Well alrighty then!! That settles it, now we can move on to other discussions.Adam SchefterVerified account @AdamSchefter
Bengals have no intention of trading the No. 1 overall draft pick no matter the interest they get in it, per league sources.
9:39 AM - 19 Jan 2020
No duh, Schefter.Adam SchefterVerified account @AdamSchefter
Bengals have no intention of trading the No. 1 overall draft pick no matter the interest they get in it, per league sources.
9:39 AM - 19 Jan 2020
In fairness, the Bengals can save money on scouting and plane tickets to the Combine by just waiting until Burrow comes home to visit family, then setting a meet-up at a Waffle House.No duh, Schefter.
Nuh-uh. Waffle House charges for their food. Mama Burrow will be expected to cook and set places for Bengals brass.DAG said:In fairness, the Bengals can save money on scouting and plane tickets to the Combine by just waiting until Burrow comes home to visit family, then setting a meet-up at a Waffle House.
Don't forget setting up the guest room for a couple of daysNuh-uh. Waffle House charges for their food. Mama Burrow will be expected to cook and set places for Bengals brass.
MIke Brown and crew pulling up in the RV like Uncle Eddie in Christmas VacationDon't forget setting up the guest room for a couple of daysNuh-uh. Waffle House charges for their food. Mama Burrow will be expected to cook and set places for Bengals brass.