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8 hours ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1262756647396614147?s=20

Prince Amukamara's contract with the Raiders: $50K signing bonus, $1.05M base salary, $87,500 Week 1 roster bonus and a cap charge of $887,500 (veteran salary benefit).

Holy schneikes that's a hell of a fantastic contract for us. Was paid $9MM last year. Likely not worth that but could easily had made noise to be paid in the $3-5MM.

Cheaper than that but Eli and a hell of a better player. Let's hope he and the rest of our old vets continue to play at a high level.

God I love this team and what it may be in the coming year. 

That is one hell of a deal for him. Not worth the $9 million but worth more than what is it $1.1 total?

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https://www.espn.com/blog/las-vegas-raiders/post/_/id/24449/raiders-versatile-rookie-lynn-bowden-jr-im-going-to-wake-the-world-up

 

Raiders' versatile rookie Lynn Bowden Jr.: 'I'm going to wake the world up'

Paul Gutierrez ESPN Staff Writer

 

ALAMEDA, Calif. -- Jon Gruden likes ... stuff. Playthings. Toys with which he can finagle over here, then do something entirely different over there.

So imagine the always-calculating Las Vegas Raiders coach's mindset when he got his, ahem, hands on Kentucky's Lynn Bowden Jr. -- the reigning Paul Hornung Award winner as the nation's most versatile player and a first-team All-American as an all-purpose player -- in a combine meeting.

All Gruden and general manager Mike Mayock knew about Bowden was what they had seen on film. He had played quarterback, wildcat and slot receiver, and he had returned punts -- and done it all well.

In that 15-minute skull session, Gruden dropped a "mini-install" on Bowden, complete with Raiders verbiage.

"Jon spat it out quickly and challenged him," Mayock said. "Then we put Bowden on the board, and to our surprise, Jon drilled him, and he spat all of our information right back at us. All of our verbiage -- he understood all of our concepts. He walked out of the room."

Mayock and Gruden stared at each other before someone uttered, "That's a freakin' Raider."

"That's what we're looking for," Mayock said later.

Indeed, the Raiders' offense -- thanks in equal part to Antonio Brown's meltdown and injury woes -- was mundane and somewhat predictable in 2019 and in need of an infusion of excitement and versatility. In response, Las Vegas used a third-round pick, its third selection of last month's draft and No. 80 overall, on the veritable Swiss Army Knife.

Bowden saw it coming after that combine meet-and-greet and a later pre-draft Zoom meeting.

"It was every coach on the staff on the Zoom call with me," Bowden said. "I knew it was the right fit for me. Coach Gruden shot it straight with me. He liked me. That's what it was.

"He said he wants to do a lot of things with me. [Be] ready. I'm ready to get on board."

Bowden feels that way no matter what hat he is asked to wear for the Raiders.

Consider that his 1,468 rushing yards as a dual-threat quarterback led the SEC last fall and were 11th in FBS. His 7.9 yards per carry average led all qualified FBS rushers and shattered the previous Kentucky record of 7.1 YPC.

This despite his playing receiver for the first month of the season, when his 30 receptions tied for 21st in all of FBS.

Lynn Bowden Jr. is technically listed as a running back, but the Raiders see him as more of a 'Joker.' John Byrum/Icon Sportswire

Oh, he also went 6-2 as the Wildcats' starting quarterback, and his 348 receiving yards at the end of the first month ended up leading Kentucky for the season.

But back to running the ball. Bowden rushed for at least 100 yards in seven of eight games at quarterback and ran for 99 in the other. In those eight games, he averaged 171.1 rushing yards per game (he rushed for 284 yards against rival Louisville). The SEC record for rushing yards per game in a season belongs to Herschel Walker, who averaged 171.9 yards per game in 1981.

Bowden was also MVP of Kentucky's 37-30 Belk Bowl win over Virginia Tech after rushing for 233 yards -- an NCAA bowl record for a quarterback -- and two TDs and throwing the game-winning 13-yard touchdown pass with 15 seconds to play.

An infusion of electricity? Yeah, Bowden brings that to the Raiders.

"Oh, man, he's a guy that kind of stands out," said fellow draft pick Bryan Edwards, a receiver from South Carolina who not only played against Bowden but also was taken one pick after him.

"Runs the ball extremely hard. He plays with a lot of passion. You can tell he's committed to the game. I love the way he plays the game."

As do the Raiders, obviously, as they chase the high-powered Super Bowl champion Kansas City Chiefs. More weapons -- especially for quarterback Derek Carr -- mean fewer excuses, right?

As the Raiders play the ultimate game of hurry-up-and-wait, with the NFL allowing facilities to reopen this week so long as local rules allow it (the Raiders' Henderson, Nevada, complex is under construction, and the team's Alameda, California, facility, which still houses all of the team's equipment, remains locked up), Bowden remains focused on Zoom meetings with his fellow rookies, veteran teammates and coaches.

Bowden has seemingly emerged from the cloud of character concerns that enveloped him early at Kentucky, due to academic issues, fights and Twitter rants, as a more mature player and father.

"I'm lost for words right now," Bowden said the night of the draft. "I've been through so much, so many ups and downs. I always got this chip on my shoulder, and I'm still going to have it. Being drafted here just motivated me more and more. Looking in my son's eyes and seeing how happy he was for me, I know I have to go hard."

The Raiders see the 6-foot-1, 206-pound Bowden not so much as a Taysom Hill clone but more as a (wait for it) running back and punt returner.

"Ultimately, he'll probably be what we call a 'joker,' which is what I love in Jon's offense," Mayock said. "It's somebody who can do multiple jobs. But day one, he's going to come in and be a running back.

"In the SEC two years ago, he caught 60-70 passes as a slot [receiver]. Last year, as you guys know, he was quarterback/wildcat ... we think he's one of the most athletic, tougher guys in this year's draft. We're going to train him to be running back. If he's able to do that job, we'll be able [to] do some other things with him -- move him around, let him catch the football."

Bowden is like a shiny new toy for Gruden, only more versatile.

"I feel like I'm going to wake the world up," Bowden said. "It's only a matter of time."

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Man, that article made me pumped for Bowden and Gruden taking the league by storm with some new joker concept that busts out our point scoring and yardage tallies, and takes NFL Ds a few years to catch up to.

That might be the ceiling/pipe dream. I am just thrilled about reading how smart, capable, and athletic Bowden is, and how much fire he has in his belly. I knew some of his stats, but this write up puts them together with some great perspective that makes me think we got the SotD.

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41 minutes ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

:goodposting:

Man, that article made me pumped for Bowden and Gruden taking the league by storm with some new joker concept that busts out our point scoring and yardage tallies, and takes NFL Ds a few years to catch up to.

That might be the ceiling/pipe dream. I am just thrilled about reading how smart, capable, and athletic Bowden is, and how much fire he has in his belly. I knew some of his stats, but this write up puts them together with some great perspective that makes me think we got the SotD.

No sports right now makes waiting for football real difficult.   

The draft didn’t go as I had hoped but it seems like it went how Gruden and Mayock wanted.   That’s probably more importantly!   Adding Ruggs, Bowden, and Edwards is really going to add some spark to a solid O where Jacobs and Waller shined.   Even Renfrow looked good last year but Ruggs and Bowden have a burst that was missing from the field last season.   

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8 hours ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

:goodposting:

Man, that article made me pumped for Bowden and Gruden taking the league by storm with some new joker concept that busts out our point scoring and yardage tallies, and takes NFL Ds a few years to catch up to.

That might be the ceiling/pipe dream. I am just thrilled about reading how smart, capable, and athletic Bowden is, and how much fire he has in his belly. I knew some of his stats, but this write up puts them together with some great perspective that makes me think we got the SotD.

The thing that gets me is it seems his football IQ is off the chart. That is a missing piece for many of these great athletes that actually are limited in use. 

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QB numbers from ‘19...

QBR vs. the blitz (5 or more rushers)

1. Derek Carr — 95.9
2. Lamar Jackson — 92.4
3. Patrick Mahomes — 90.5
4. Matthew Stafford — 87.4
5. Kirk Cousins — 86.1

Carr also ranked No.1 in Comp% (71.6) & YPA (11.11) vs. the blitz.

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On 5/20/2020 at 9:20 AM, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

Ah, memories.

As long as you can get past the mispronouncing of Biekert's last name, it's a great testament to his smarts, leadership, and cracking one of the game's all time great QB's and forcing their OC to completely revamp their audible system.

https://youtu.be/VSK98Mm0y9I

Is this the game Gannon ran for 3 TDs? If so i pumped out a ton of assignments listening to this on nfl radio when it used to be free

 

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On 5/20/2020 at 9:20 AM, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

Ah, memories.

As long as you can get past the mispronouncing of Biekert's last name, it's a great testament to his smarts, leadership, and cracking one of the game's all time great QB's and forcing their OC to completely revamp their audible system.

https://youtu.be/VSK98Mm0y9I

Is this the game Gannon ran for 3 TDs? If so i pumped out a ton of assignments listening to this on nfl radio when it used to be free

 

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21 hours ago, Sarlakticacid said:

Is this the game Gannon ran for 3 TDs? If so i pumped out a ton of assignments listening to this on nfl radio when it used to be free

 

I believe it was indeed. 1 in the 2nd Q, then 2 in the 3rd -- OAK with 5 rushing TDs on the day (2 from Wheatley).

It really was a tale of two halves.

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On 5/17/2020 at 2:42 PM, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I think it’ll be the shiny new toy for a few years. 

Then it’ll have a hard time competing with the 1,000,000 other things to do in Vegas. 

I met one of the Raiders business-types at a FM as all this was going down. The plan wasn’t really to expect Raiders fans to travel, not was it expected that the Raiders would build a local following large enough to fill the stadium.  

The plan was to have Vegas hotels buy tickets to use as comps. 

And use in-seat gambling to entice fans to experience a new kind of betting, live and in person at games.

however you want to slice it, once the pandemic passes & we have live fan-filled sporting events, after a few years the Raiders essentially don’t have home games any more. Just a bunch of folks who flew in to gamble & got handed a pair of tickets because they stayed at the Hilton and upgraded to a suite. 

I don’t think that’s a good thing for the Raiders.  Their fans were as much of their mojo as anything. 

This has been my fear since they announced the move to Vegas.  I also fear that the road teams will have a much larger fan presence than ever before. I travel to an away game, almost every year.   What city the game is in, plays a huge role in my choice.  I imagine that a lot of people are going to want to go to Vegas to see their team play. 

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1 hour ago, DA RAIDERS said:

This has been my fear since they announced the move to Vegas.  I also fear that the road teams will have a much larger fan presence than ever before. I travel to an away game, almost every year.   What city the game is in, plays a huge role in my choice.  I imagine that a lot of people are going to want to go to Vegas to see their team play. 

Maybe... maybe not. Our reputation isn't exactly welcoming to visiting teams fans. That was the case in both Oakland and LA. Sure, Vegas is a different kind of city and has draw plus a shiny new stadium which we haven't had in... ever? Bet I am leaving towards the intimidation factor helping us keep the visitors from overwhelming our home games. I mean, heck, we overwhelm Chargers when they were in SD and now LA. When we play Rams, same will happen. That intimidation should travel to Vegas. 

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2 hours ago, DA RAIDERS said:

This has been my fear since they announced the move to Vegas.  I also fear that the road teams will have a much larger fan presence than ever before. I travel to an away game, almost every year.   What city the game is in, plays a huge role in my choice.  I imagine that a lot of people are going to want to go to Vegas to see their team play. 

Yeah, I commented on the “away fan” presence issue earlier & was called a hater for it (despite years of evidence of me being supportive of the a Raiders here in the past several years of membership/participation) 

Las Vegas is such a great destination for a road game. Like I said, as a Niner fan I’m MUCH more likely to go to LV than I ever was to Oakland, and I’m a 15 min BART ride from Oakland. 

in that example, that’s one less Raider fan in a seat. It’s just math. 

i wish the Raiders the best in their new destination. It’s an interesting gamble & time will tell if it works out for their fans with regards to home-field advantage.

I’m sure it’ll work out for the Raiders as an organization regardless. 

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27 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Yeah, I commented on the “away fan” presence issue earlier & was called a hater for it (despite years of evidence of me being supportive of the a Raiders here in the past several years of membership/participation) 

Las Vegas is such a great destination for a road game. Like I said, as a Niner fan I’m MUCH more likely to go to LV than I ever was to Oakland, and I’m a 15 min BART ride from Oakland. 

in that example, that’s one less Raider fan in a seat. It’s just math. 

i wish the Raiders the best in their new destination. It’s an interesting gamble & time will tell if it works out for their fans with regards to home-field advantage.

I’m sure it’ll work out for the Raiders as an organization regardless. 

Dang you are over sensitive. 

For the record, I don't think it is a Raider hating thing but a love for the bay area because you live there and pouting because the Raiders are leaving thing. 

I stand by my statement that with anything to do with the relocation you looked to poo on it. I have no idea why you are taking that as some personal offense and that I just spat on your kids and wife or something. It wasn't "lying" about what you were doing and it wasn't calling you a "hater" or anything else. Simply that, based on your posts, everything about the relocation you looked to poo on it. 

Can you do a Frozen move on this? Don't make me sing the song to you. 

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6 hours ago, DA RAIDERS said:

 I imagine that a lot of people are going to want to go to Vegas to see their team play. 

The exact same sentiment stands for non-Vegas dwelling Raider fans.

In the end, a city like Vegas is going to attract a lot of non-Vegas residents to games. The city is a huge draw globally, and domestically always super cheap to fly to, find great deals on hotels, etc.

I think you are going to find a few games with an increased # of away fans when we play teams with large distributed bases and fans who traditionally travel (New England, Pittsburgh, and Dallas are a few off the top of my head). That's no different than it was before. 

But given that it's just as easy for Raider fans to do the same, this all evens out in the wash. What you are going to see in terms of mix of home:away fans will be no different than it was in Oakland, or any other NFL stadium.

(Except of course for Chargers home games, the exception that proves the rule.)

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1 hour ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

The exact same sentiment stands for non-Vegas dwelling Raider fans.

In the end, a city like Vegas is going to attract a lot of non-Vegas residents to games. The city is a huge draw globally, and domestically always super cheap to fly to, find great deals on hotels, etc.

I think you are going to find a few games with an increased # of away fans when we play teams with large distributed bases and fans who traditionally travel (New England, Pittsburgh, and Dallas are a few off the top of my head). That's no different than it was before. 

But given that it's just as easy for Raider fans to do the same, this all evens out in the wash. What you are going to see in terms of mix of home:away fans will be no different than it was in Oakland, or any other NFL stadium.

(Except of course for Chargers home games, the exception that proves the rule.)

At least both Chargers games each season will continue to be home games. 

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1 hour ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

The exact same sentiment stands for non-Vegas dwelling Raider fans.

In the end, a city like Vegas is going to attract a lot of non-Vegas residents to games. The city is a huge draw globally, and domestically always super cheap to fly to, find great deals on hotels, etc.

I think you are going to find a few games with an increased # of away fans when we play teams with large distributed bases and fans who traditionally travel (New England, Pittsburgh, and Dallas are a few off the top of my head). That's no different than it was before. 

But given that it's just as easy for Raider fans to do the same, this all evens out in the wash. What you are going to see in terms of mix of home:away fans will be no different than it was in Oakland, or any other NFL stadium.

(Except of course for Chargers home games, the exception that proves the rule.)

I will go from haven't being to a home game since 2001 to going once a year if not more.

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8 hours ago, Chadstroma said:

Maybe... maybe not. Our reputation isn't exactly welcoming to visiting teams fans. That was the case in both Oakland and LA. Sure, Vegas is a different kind of city and has draw plus a shiny new stadium which we haven't had in... ever? Bet I am leaving towards the intimidation factor helping us keep the visitors from overwhelming our home games. I mean, heck, we overwhelm Chargers when they were in SD and now LA. When we play Rams, same will happen. That intimidation should travel to Vegas. 

i humbly disagree.  

oaktown is oak town.  it carries it's own intimidation.  people saying they wouldn't travel to oakland because it was oakland, say that for a reason.  it's an f'ing #### hole around the stadium.  although!, they are/were, seriously missing the boat.  most of the time, i would stay in the city.  or at friends house's, in the burbs.  almost never in oakland.   the 2 times i stayed at the motel 6, just south of the stadium, were nights to remember.  where else does a motel 6 have an armed guard.  with a shot gun.  :eek:  good times.  and yes, i was pulled into a broom closet, by an oakland pd officer.  at the bar in the radisson, next door, simply to help diffuse a fight in the bar.  me. my buddy and the cop in the closet.  :lmao: 

LA, my home town, was all about the gang bangers.  ice cube, etc, were just the tip of the iceberg.  heeyyyyy oooohhhhh!!!  but that was the reality.  the coli, is in the hood.  i grew up not far away, in downtown.  we took over SD, simply to prove a point.  SD is LA's #####.

vegas has none of that intimidation.  it's Disneyland for adults.  IMHO, if they don't/won't allow tailgating, the mystique will die in oakland.   i'm still not sure, if they are sticking with the initial plan to not allow tailgating, but if it's illegal, that will ruin a lot of what made oakland great.  over the last 18 years, the parking lot, was often the best part of the game experience.  

i was initially priced out.  now they say they're sold out.  prices are through the roof.  a working dude like me, can't/won't pay $400 for crap seats.  especially, if i have to uber from my hotel with whatever lame ### pregame i can create.  

one road game we went to was in AZ.  the pregame experience, sucked.  we paid $40, to park a mile away from the stadium.  tailgating wasn't happening.  that mile walk, was a buzz kill.  we stopped at some restaurant, in the middle of the walk, for a beverage.  mostly empty.  i worry that vegas will be the same.

sorry for the ramble.  drinks

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65k PSLs gone hot. Yeah, I get it... shateload of those are to the casinos. But here's the true.. If the Raiders are good, Raider fans will grossly outnumber and overwhelm any opposing. Never going to be Arrowhead, but that shouldn't be the comp. The comp should be the next best alternative (Oakland, Carson, blah blah). Raiders are WAY better off in the Death Roomba with Grudock than anytime I can remember as a 30+ yr fan. Apologies to the OG Oakland peepers and bored 40whiner saucers.

Cheers tho, always ... to ALL of you. Take your Zinc, get some Sun, break the Vid. Remember to kiss your babes and your wives. And just say nill to the Gates Bill

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9 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Yeah, I commented on the “away fan” presence issue earlier & was called a hater for it (despite years of evidence of me being supportive of the a Raiders here in the past several years of membership/participation) 

Las Vegas is such a great destination for a road game. Like I said, as a Niner fan I’m MUCH more likely to go to LV than I ever was to Oakland, and I’m a 15 min BART ride from Oakland. 

in that example, that’s one less Raider fan in a seat. It’s just math. 

i wish the Raiders the best in their new destination. It’s an interesting gamble & time will tell if it works out for their fans with regards to home-field advantage.

I’m sure it’ll work out for the Raiders as an organization regardless. 

there are some proud homers in here.  nothing wrong with that.  dissension isn't received well.  

i  am called a hater.  for using what, i think, is common sense.  :shrug:  i'm a gruden hater. right or wrong, that is true.  but i am NOT a raider hater.  the 2 are separate.  one can think the coach is a clown, and still root for the team.  based on results, over the last 18 years, questioning the teams MO, is warranted.

my saying that keelan doss was/would be/always will be, an after thought in the NFL, brought great anger my way.  :lmao: 

my f'ing name is da raiders.  it's as old as this board, back to the old yeller days.  i have gone to at least one game, or more, for the last 30 years.  many of them road games.  i couldn't talk for 3 days after the home opener last year.  screaming F AB, all night!!!  i made sure to be there for the last game against JAX.  oooof.  but i was there.  giving my love.  every ounce of my energy.  my money and my heart.  i flew up sunday morning, and had to buy a flight home sunday night, due to a work emergency.

i love this team.  i'll always love this team.  but, i refuse to drink the gruden koolaid.  so, i am labeled a hater.  :banned:  

GO RAIDERS

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4 hours ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

The exact same sentiment stands for non-Vegas dwelling Raider fans.

In the end, a city like Vegas is going to attract a lot of non-Vegas residents to games. The city is a huge draw globally, and domestically always super cheap to fly to, find great deals on hotels, etc.

I think you are going to find a few games with an increased # of away fans when we play teams with large distributed bases and fans who traditionally travel (New England, Pittsburgh, and Dallas are a few off the top of my head). That's no different than it was before. 

But given that it's just as easy for Raider fans to do the same, this all evens out in the wash. What you are going to see in terms of mix of home:away fans will be no different than it was in Oakland, or any other NFL stadium.

(Except of course for Chargers home games, the exception that proves the rule.)

agreed.  except that ticket prices, currently, are pushing the above average spending fan(me) to the side.  let alone, the average spending fan.  

when i went to the super bowl(look at me), in SD, AKA, black hole south.  the corporate nature of the game, killed the vibe.  it should have been a raider dominated crowd, due to being in SD.  it wasn't.  average fan was priced out.  TB had to travel across the country.  those that committed to the trip, obviously committed to spending the money.  they easily outnumbered raider fans.  at least it felt that way, as they kicked our ###.

my fear, is that the corporate, soul less, nature of vegas, will be similar.  i hope i'm wrong.

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3 minutes ago, DA RAIDERS said:

agreed.  except that ticket prices, currently, are pushing the above average spending fan(me) to the side.  let alone, the average spending fan.  

when i went to the super bowl(look at me), in SD, AKA, black hole south.  the corporate nature of the game, killed the vibe.  it should have been a raider dominated crowd, due to being in SD.  it wasn't.  average fan was priced out.  TB had to travel across the country.  those that committed to the trip, obviously committed to spending the money.  they easily outnumbered raider fans.  at least it felt that way, as they kicked our ###.

my fear, is that the corporate, soul less, nature of vegas, will be similar.  i hope i'm wrong.

You're comparing the Superbowl to regular season Raider games. Maybe year 1 in the Doomba will have some very VERY moderate comparability. Don't sweat it after that (or even next year) if Grudock gonna Grudock. Notice how Gru is back in black, as we make your comp. RIP Al, but young Gru > K.Mack. Cheers, bruvinskis

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3 hours ago, Chadstroma said:

I will go from haven't being to a home game since 2001 to going once a year if not more.

you're cool paying $225 for the worst seat, for the worst match up?  NO is $595, for the worst seat.  TB, $420.  KC, $398.  that's a STEEP ticket!  for a crappy seat.  i paid $200 for lower level, row 10ish, opening game, in NO a few years ago. the, jack del rio goes for 2, game.

i get it, that it's a new stadium.  but it's not sustainable.  and it won't encourage or foster any local fanbase growth.  and i don't see them lowering prices.  :lmao:  

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4 minutes ago, LawFitz said:

You're comparing the Superbowl to regular season Raider games. Maybe year 1 in the Doomba will have some very VERY moderate comparability. Don't sweat it after that (or even next year) if Grudock gonna Grudock. Notice how Gru is back in black, as we make your comp. RIP Al, but young Gru > K.Mack. Cheers, bruvinskis

i'm comparing the corporate aspect of the SB, to the corporate aspect of LV.  not the games.

 

and i agree, when the shine wears off the DOOMBA, resale tickets will be cheaper.  not sure the game atmosphere will ever be the same.

 

eta:  can't stand gruden. ;) 

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1 minute ago, DA RAIDERS said:

not sure the game atmosphere will ever be the same.

Nothing is life is for sure. And none of us has stepped foot in the Doomba. Ease off the gas, and let's see. Vegas is prouder than you credit, I think. And LA and Oak are a lot closer than KC and Mia. The single biggest determinant of home field advantage will be whether the home field believes in the home team.

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5 minutes ago, LawFitz said:

Nothing is life is for sure. And none of us has stepped foot in the Doomba. Ease off the gas, and let's see. Vegas is prouder than you credit, I think. And LA and Oak are a lot closer than KC and Mia. The single biggest determinant of home field advantage will be whether the home field believes in the home team.

i'm with ya brother.  i'm 90% certain, i'll go to a home game.  this year. just gotta pull the right corporate strings.   i'm gonna miss the #### out of that parking lot though.  :cry: 

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On 5/20/2020 at 9:15 AM, Chadstroma said:

That is one hell of a deal for him. Not worth the $9 million but worth more than what is it $1.1 total?

at that price, he's a steal.  don't love him/don't hate him.  but he's easily 1.1 decent, if not a lot more.  

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6 hours ago, DA RAIDERS said:

i love this team.  i'll always love this team.  but, i refuse to drink the gruden koolaid.  so, i am labeled a hater.  :banned:  

GO RAIDERS

I have mixed feelings about him as well. He’s a good motivator of people, but he’s never developed a young QB that I can recall. And that contract - woof. Still scratching my head over that. I’ve heard some question whether he’s evolved with the game, but I’m not sure that’s relevant. One can still win by running the ball & playing good defense.

that said, he’s fun to watch on the sidelines & in post-game pressers.

2019 the team showed well at times. It’ll be interesting to see if Gruden can bring back his mojo. 2020 seems like an important year for Gru’s credibility. I just don’t know why you’d pay any coach that much. 

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3 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

 

I have mixed feelings about him as well. He’s a good motivator of people, but he’s never developed a young QB that I can recall. And that contract - woof. Still scratching my head over that. I’ve heard some question whether he’s evolved with the game, but I’m not sure that’s relevant. One can still win by running the ball & playing good defense.

that said, he’s fun to watch on the sidelines & in post-game pressers.

2019 the team showed well at times. It’ll be interesting to see if Gruden can bring back his mojo. 2020 seems like an important year for Gru’s credibility. I just don’t know why you’d pay any coach that much. 

Here's why:

Jack Del Rio

Tony Sparano

Dennis Allen

Hue Jackson

Tom Cable

Lane Kiffin

Art Shell

Norv Turner

Bill Callahan

 

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6 hours ago, LawFitz said:

The single biggest determinant of home field advantage will be whether the home field believes in the home team.

I said the same. Winning brings local fans. 

And of course, losing can have the opposite effect.

With Vegas, the Raiders will need locals to go to games & also to root root root for the home team. The former is easier than the latter.

its football. I don’t see it as underestimating the locals - I think It’s underestimating them if they’re a Broncos, Chiefs or Chargers fan and one expects them to switch allegiance just because the Raiders moved to their back yard.  Vegas is a melting pot.

i think it’s more likely that Nevadans support the Raiders than Las Vegas-ans (didn’t want to call them “Las Vegans” - sounded too woke. lol) 

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Just now, ICON211 said:

Here's why:

Jack Del Rio

Tony Sparano

Dennis Allen

Hue Jackson

Tom Cable

Lane Kiffin

Art Shell

Norv Turner

Bill Callahan

Niners have an arguably worse list including Singletary, Erickson, also Norv Turner & Hosler, and they didn’t back up a Brinks truck up to Shanahan’s house. 

i mean, yeah, sure, that’s a long list Of mediocrity - but it seems like the Raiders were competing against themselves because they pursued Gruden hard, & he was able to name his price.

hey; it’s not my money. They got their guy. Still an awful lot to pay a HC. 

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37 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Niners have an arguably worse list including Singletary, Erickson, also Norv Turner & Hosler, and they didn’t back up a Brinks truck up to Shanahan’s house. 

i mean, yeah, sure, that’s a long list Of mediocrity - but it seems like the Raiders were competing against themselves because they pursued Gruden hard, & he was able to name his price.

hey; it’s not my money. They got their guy. Still an awful lot to pay a HC. 

It is a lot, but there is no salary cap for coaches and this franchise really needed some stability and a respected guy they knew was going to be around for a while.

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9 minutes ago, ICON211 said:

It is a lot, but there is no salary cap for coaches and this franchise really needed some stability and a respected guy they knew was going to be around for a while.

This flip side is if it doesn’t work out, 10 years is a long time to be stuck with the wrong guy & 100M is a lot to pay him. 

Most local folks I know are still in wait & see mode with him. Hate to put too much weight on a draft, but it feels like he’s going to have to hit on his 2020 picks to level up that trust. I’m sure his first pick this year had Al Davis smiling up from the grave since he took the fastest of the 3 WRs. heh

I’m not a Gruden hater at all. He seems to be off to a good start. The culture seems like it’s improved a lot. There’s a sense of competence when they take the field & if I recall, dumb penalties are down under his leadership. 

is all that worth $100M/10 years? I dunno...I think he’d need to win a SB to justify that contract. 

to his credit he did say if he wasn’t winning he wouldn’t take their $. That would be bold and unprecedented. 

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12 hours ago, LawFitz said:

Death Roomba 

 

11 hours ago, LawFitz said:

Doomba 

This made me chuckle. But I highly prefer The Plunder Dome. 

PSLs netted way above expectations ($549MM against initial expectations of $250MM and was at $478MM when initial sell outs occurred in Jan. The rest comes from different payment structures from PSL holders). Also heard that 40% of PSLs went to people outside of Vegas and Nevada.

I dont think that's other teams' fans buying PSLs so I think we'll be just fine with our home crowd.

I do regret that high single game ticket prices price out the regular fan but that's also been the state of pro sports for a long time. Nothing new about having to break bank to take a family of four to a game.

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5 minutes ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

regret that high single game ticket prices price out the regular fan but that's also been the state of pro sports for a long time. Nothing new about having to break bank to take a family of four to a game.

Yeah, that’s not new, nor is it specific to the Raiders. Tickets were already getting steep at the coliseum, and the new place is unlikely to smell like urine, so presumably a better value .  lol

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23 minutes ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

 

This made me chuckle. But I highly prefer The Plunder Dome. 

PSLs netted way above expectations ($549MM against initial expectations of $250MM and was at $478MM when initial sell outs occurred in Jan. The rest comes from different payment structures from PSL holders). Also heard that 40% of PSLs went to people outside of Vegas and Nevada.

I dont think that's other teams' fans buying PSLs so I think we'll be just fine with our home crowd.

I do regret that high single game ticket prices price out the regular fan but that's also been the state of pro sports for a long time. Nothing new about having to break bank to take a family of four to a game.

If true, it sounds list Oakland and LA will be in the house, big time!

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5 hours ago, joey said:

If true, it sounds list Oakland and LA will be in the house, big time!

Unless it’s by enterprising out of state ticket brokers gambling on buying season tickets to resell at profit for a hot new stadium in a hot vacation destination.

i’d have more confidence it’ll be filled with Oakland fans if those PSL sales were mostly coming from CA. :shrug: 

I don’t think we’ll really know until they play games there post COVID19. 

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6 hours ago, joey said:

If true, it sounds list Oakland and LA will be in the house, big time!

I would love to see a geographic breakdown of PSL holders. And compare the in-city/-state to out-of-city/-state ratio against other NFL teams' season ticket holders.

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Love this! https://www.raiders.com/news/derek-carr-posts-footage-of-desert-workouts-with-his-receivers

I have seen past reports of Zay Jones doing a lot of work with Carr. If we get what we think we are getting out of the new guys... Zay fulfills his potential... Renfrow continues to develop... Williams is healthy and plays at the level I know he can.... Waller continues to ball...  that is a sick passing game there.

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1 hour ago, Chadstroma said:

Love this! https://www.raiders.com/news/derek-carr-posts-footage-of-desert-workouts-with-his-receivers

I have seen past reports of Zay Jones doing a lot of work with Carr. If we get what we think we are getting out of the new guys... Zay fulfills his potential... Renfrow continues to develop... Williams is healthy and plays at the level I know he can.... Waller continues to ball...  that is a sick passing game there.

Thanks for posting -- great to see these guys working together -- wanted to see a few deeeeeeeep balls thrown to a flat-out-speeding Ruggs just to see the match there. But great seeing the work getting put in.

Share the enthusiasm on our new-look passing game, but still skeptical about Zay Jones stepping up from out of nowhere if he hasn't done it so far in his career (with us or prior) and with new competition with Agholor and Edwards, going to be interesting to see who rises to the top of the final depth chart. 

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30 minutes ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

Thanks for posting -- great to see these guys working together -- wanted to see a few deeeeeeeep balls thrown to a flat-out-speeding Ruggs just to see the match there. But great seeing the work getting put in.

Share the enthusiasm on our new-look passing game, but still skeptical about Zay Jones stepping up from out of nowhere if he hasn't done it so far in his career (with us or prior) and with new competition with Agholor and Edwards, going to be interesting to see who rises to the top of the final depth chart. 

I got you with Zay. If it wasn't for seeing this and other times of him putting in work with Carr, I wouldn't have much hope for him and say there was a good chance he didn't make the 53 since I am not sure if his contract (I don't remember what it was) might not make sense to keep him in reserve. If he doesn't or ends up in a forgotten reserve then it won't be from a lack of trying. I love to see these guys getting out there on their own and working on their craft. The "chemistry" of QB to WR/TE is so important and really only comes from time together. 

It will be interesting. Obviously Ruggs will get every chance to be on the field a ton. Speed for days, athletic ability up the wazoo and seemingly ignored because of being on Alabama- he is a damn fine WR. The more I dig into him since we drafted him the more I like him. The things I usually don't like about the speed guys, he doesn't seem to have except maybe a limited route tree (But that said, T. Hill has about as limited a true and produces all over the place) but I suspect that that is a product of his speed in that HS and Alabama WANTED him to blow the top off of D's so here... run 10 Go routes in a row kid. He has good hands (doesn't drop a lot), doesn't go down if you breath on him (SO many speed guys do) and plays physical. I think he is not only fast but knows how to use his speed. I saw one play where he goes like he is running a go and then BOOM stops, swipes the CB away and turns him around, catches the ball and goes... it was beautiful and clear the CB got screwed trying to keep up with him and thinking here is another go route.... and when it wasn't.... he was helpless. I look forward to him. 

Williams as the incumbent vet that has produced in the NFL when given the chance and showed flashes last year before being hampered with injury. I would love to see this guy prosper. He was under utilized in SD and got the chance to shine last year even though he was trust into a poorly fitting role (He isn't a #1 but is a dang good #2 in my estimation) and then the injury.  He had a great 1st game with us and then decent showings after that (not tons of yardage or catches but TDs in each I believe) and then go hurt, was out a couple of games but clearly never was the same player when back for the rest of the year. I am higher on him than his stats showed last year. 

Renfrow clearly made strides last in the season and went from a rookie to having the game slow for him. He did well early in the year but it was clear he was playing catch up in his head. After his injury it was clear the game slowed down for him. I think I remember reading a quote from him about how late in the year he was talking about not having to think as much and just play late in the year. It showed. I think he is a solid slot guy for sure and a good fit with speed guys like Ruggs and don't forget Williams ain't slow. 

I love Edwards as a compliment and just polar opposite of Ruggs. He isn't going to burn you with speed but he will bully the CB to get balls. I think I remember a quote about him that it isn't a 50/50 ball but a 60/40 ball every time with him. 

With Agholar, I am interested to see how this plays out. He really struggled on the outside in Philly but came alive in the slot. Do they try to give him outside looks? Does he take away snaps from Renfrow? Does he flop?

Doss, Ateman and Gafford all are depth guys that have shown they can contribute but just aren't there yet or maybe ever to consistently do so on the level we need them to. Normally, I might say we might go WR heavy and keep a couple but we also have a TE heavy roster right now too... without Agholar and/or Jones flopping these guys will be cut and hoping for a PS or get picked up by another team. Ratliff-Williams, Pierson-El and Mariner..... gawd help those guys. Put good tape together boys and hope another team picks you up or you get a PS invite. Maybe Ratliff-Williams makes it as a kick returner. Doss plays a good amount of ST so maybe if he shows enough development there, adds value as ST and Agholar and/or Jones put themselves on the block- he gets in. Ateman and Gafford have time in on the system but I am not sure they will do much more than what they have done in the past. Maybe PS and hope for an opportunity. 

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The Raiders had their sights set on Damon Arnette no matter what

by Cory Kinnan

The Las Vegas Raiders left the 2020 NFL Draft with a good haul of players. From Alabama wide receiver to Ohio State cornerback Damon Arnette, general manager Mike Mayock brought in talent at much needed positions of value as the franchise starts their new beginning in Las Vegas.

In fact, Mayock had his sights set on Arnette from the start and found himself in a predicament with his second pick in the first round. Mayock knew selecting Arnette with the 19th pick was a bit of a reach for where he was valued by scouts and teams around the league.

However, the Raiders did not have another pick from the 19th pick all the way until the 80th pick in the 2020 NFL Draft. Mayock tried to trade down from the 19th pick to a place where he could select Arnette in a range where it would not have seemed like as much of a reach as it is pitched as at this point.

Mayock could not find a trade partner, and instead of risking losing Arnette all together, decided to take him with the 19th pick in the draft no matter the public perception. While this writer liked the pick much more than the public, the Raiders have received a bit of scrutiny for selecting Arnette as high as they did.

 

https://withthefirstpick.com/2020/05/26/raiders-sights-set-damon-arnette-no-matter/

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15 hours ago, Chadstroma said:

I got you with Zay. If it wasn't for seeing this and other times of him putting in work with Carr, I wouldn't have much hope for him and say there was a good chance he didn't make the 53 since I am not sure if his contract (I don't remember what it was) might not make sense to keep him in reserve. If he doesn't or ends up in a forgotten reserve then it won't be from a lack of trying. I love to see these guys getting out there on their own and working on their craft. The "chemistry" of QB to WR/TE is so important and really only comes from time together. 

It will be interesting. Obviously Ruggs will get every chance to be on the field a ton. Speed for days, athletic ability up the wazoo and seemingly ignored because of being on Alabama- he is a damn fine WR. The more I dig into him since we drafted him the more I like him. The things I usually don't like about the speed guys, he doesn't seem to have except maybe a limited route tree (But that said, T. Hill has about as limited a true and produces all over the place) but I suspect that that is a product of his speed in that HS and Alabama WANTED him to blow the top off of D's so here... run 10 Go routes in a row kid. He has good hands (doesn't drop a lot), doesn't go down if you breath on him (SO many speed guys do) and plays physical. I think he is not only fast but knows how to use his speed. I saw one play where he goes like he is running a go and then BOOM stops, swipes the CB away and turns him around, catches the ball and goes... it was beautiful and clear the CB got screwed trying to keep up with him and thinking here is another go route.... and when it wasn't.... he was helpless. I look forward to him. 

Williams as the incumbent vet that has produced in the NFL when given the chance and showed flashes last year before being hampered with injury. I would love to see this guy prosper. He was under utilized in SD and got the chance to shine last year even though he was trust into a poorly fitting role (He isn't a #1 but is a dang good #2 in my estimation) and then the injury.  He had a great 1st game with us and then decent showings after that (not tons of yardage or catches but TDs in each I believe) and then go hurt, was out a couple of games but clearly never was the same player when back for the rest of the year. I am higher on him than his stats showed last year. 

Renfrow clearly made strides last in the season and went from a rookie to having the game slow for him. He did well early in the year but it was clear he was playing catch up in his head. After his injury it was clear the game slowed down for him. I think I remember reading a quote from him about how late in the year he was talking about not having to think as much and just play late in the year. It showed. I think he is a solid slot guy for sure and a good fit with speed guys like Ruggs and don't forget Williams ain't slow. 

I love Edwards as a compliment and just polar opposite of Ruggs. He isn't going to burn you with speed but he will bully the CB to get balls. I think I remember a quote about him that it isn't a 50/50 ball but a 60/40 ball every time with him. 

With Agholar, I am interested to see how this plays out. He really struggled on the outside in Philly but came alive in the slot. Do they try to give him outside looks? Does he take away snaps from Renfrow? Does he flop?

Doss, Ateman and Gafford all are depth guys that have shown they can contribute but just aren't there yet or maybe ever to consistently do so on the level we need them to. Normally, I might say we might go WR heavy and keep a couple but we also have a TE heavy roster right now too... without Agholar and/or Jones flopping these guys will be cut and hoping for a PS or get picked up by another team. Ratliff-Williams, Pierson-El and Mariner..... gawd help those guys. Put good tape together boys and hope another team picks you up or you get a PS invite. Maybe Ratliff-Williams makes it as a kick returner. Doss plays a good amount of ST so maybe if he shows enough development there, adds value as ST and Agholar and/or Jones put themselves on the block- he gets in. Ateman and Gafford have time in on the system but I am not sure they will do much more than what they have done in the past. Maybe PS and hope for an opportunity. 

nice write up.

i have no faith in zay.  cool to see him working with dk.   but, he's just a depth a piece.

t will has talent, but he's never been the 1 and just seems underwhelming.  he looked the part on opening day last year.  definitely passed the eyeball test.  seemed to stand up, and take on the F AB chants and had his best game of the year.  the place was going nuts for him.  and we beat the donks.  never had another 100 yard game, or more than 5 catches, the rest of the year.  had a few flashes, but underwhelming to me(i know he got hurt.  i hate foot injuries).  and i don't read too much into his vet status.  they don't draft wr/db/wr?/wr, if they're thrilled with the wrs.  i think if edwards shines, t will is gone next year.

wouldn't it be sweet if renfrow turns into some sort of amendola/edelman type.  between him and waller, that safety net could be huge for dk

ruggs is a wild card.  i'm not comparing him to tyreek just yet.  it's not fair.  tyreek is different.  he's special.  also a POS.

agohlor is more insurance than anything else imho.  his drops were bad in philly.  

the rest are scrubs and will be lucky to make the team.

man this group is young.  witten gonna feel like a grandpa in those meetings.

thx for reading, fun to talk raiders!

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5 hours ago, Hankmoody said:

I don't have a problem with that. The draft isn't just about scouting players the best, it is about the decisions you make in the draft. You have your evaluation and you guess the evaluation of other teams. If you want a guy because you are high on him and are confident you are higher than others then trading down makes great sense. This article shows Mayock knows what he wants (we already knew that) but also knows the big board too and can operate it. "But Chad, how can you say that? He didn't trade down!" Well... yea.... it takes two to trade. You can not make a unilateral decision to trade down. You must find someone who wants to move up and then that trade has to make sense- does it still put you in a spot to get your guy? Do you get value for taking the risk of not getting you guy? After the last draft, Mayock has my full confidence to do whatever he wants to do. The more that I have read up and watched tape etc of these players, the more I think I see what Mayock was seeing in making these moves. In the end, if you drafted Tom Brady #1 overall even though he had a 6th round grade, would it have been a bad pick because the 'value' wasn't there?

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While we did a great job addressing WR need in draft and FA last year, it's still a huge bag of question marks until we see how things pan out on the field.

Agree we're likely not going to see much out of Zay Jones, and Ty Williams also has to show consistency (and health) be a true #2. Refrow looks solid as a possession receiver but even he looked a little variable out of the gate.

For all the promise and skill they have, and how much they fit the team's need for size and speed, Ruggs and Edwards have yet to play a down in the NFL.

Ateman, Gafford, Ratliff-Williams, Doss, and Mariner are raw and unproven and more likely than not camp fodder.

What I hope to see from this group is contribution. A consistent high level of play that helps us open up our offense and keep Ds on their toes and helps us play possession ball complimented by our velvet hammer, Jacobs.

I am OK if this unit develops and gels over time -- they don't need to be the best WR corps on Day 1. They just need to be dependable and tough and reliable -- something we haven't had since arguably Crabtree.

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16 hours ago, Chadstroma said:

I don't have a problem with that. The draft isn't just about scouting players the best, it is about the decisions you make in the draft. You have your evaluation and you guess the evaluation of other teams. If you want a guy because you are high on him and are confident you are higher than others then trading down makes great sense. This article shows Mayock knows what he wants (we already knew that) but also knows the big board too and can operate it. "But Chad, how can you say that? He didn't trade down!" Well... yea.... it takes two to trade. You can not make a unilateral decision to trade down. You must find someone who wants to move up and then that trade has to make sense- does it still put you in a spot to get your guy? Do you get value for taking the risk of not getting you guy? After the last draft, Mayock has my full confidence to do whatever he wants to do. The more that I have read up and watched tape etc of these players, the more I think I see what Mayock was seeing in making these moves. In the end, if you drafted Tom Brady #1 overall even though he had a 6th round grade, would it have been a bad pick because the 'value' wasn't there?

Yeah I wasn't being critical of him, I learned to draft this way years ago.  If you can't trade down you don't take a different guy just because the ADP says to, you take your guy.  I can live with being wrong about that way easier than I can if I take someone else or trade down and watch my guy get sniped.  Watching "my guy" win a championship or Super Bowl for someone else sucks.  And I trust Mayock's talent evaluation as well. 

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https://amp.barstoolsports.com/blog/2386743/working-mans-nfl-player-life-of-free-agency-part-ii-the-raiders?__twitter_impression=true

This was a fun read. It gives a perspective that we don't get very often (ever?). Will Compton talking about what he went through from the Saints release to signing with the Raiders. 

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11 hours ago, Chadstroma said:

https://amp.barstoolsports.com/blog/2386743/working-mans-nfl-player-life-of-free-agency-part-ii-the-raiders?__twitter_impression=true

This was a fun read. It gives a perspective that we don't get very often (ever?). Will Compton talking about what he went through from the Saints release to signing with the Raiders. 

Great article, thanks for sharing!

I really like Will Compton, both as a player and from his Bussin' with the Boys podcast -- the episode with Maxx Crosby really showed how down to earth he was, how intelligent and introspective he is, and by total contrast how much of an egotistical blowhard Taylor Lewan can be.

I know we drafted Muse and there is some hype around UFDA Javin White, but I wonder if we look to resign Compton at some point.

I'm not a huge believer in Morrow -- he's athletic and has experience in our system, and we definitely invested in him, having shelled out over $3M for his tender -- but behind him, there is little depth (who is there? Marquel Lee? Nick Usher? Kyle Wilber? Justin Phillips? Ukeme Eligwe? 

Thought Compton handled himself well and I like the dude. If not with us, hope he lands somewhere and contributes. 

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On 5/28/2020 at 1:35 AM, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

 

I am OK if this unit develops and gels over time -- they don't need to be the best WR corps on Day 1. They just need to be dependable and tough and reliable -- something we haven't had since arguably Crabtree.

We all should keep our expectations low until mid-season.   Many of these players are young and/or relatively new to the team.  I expect the WR Corp to look different from the first game to the 8th game to the last game of the season.   

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2 hours ago, DocHolliday said:

We all should keep our expectations low until mid-season.   Many of these players are young and/or relatively new to the team.  I expect the WR Corp to look different from the first game to the 8th game to the last game of the season.   

If there is one thing all of the Raider Nation here in this thread -- wide-eyed optimists, hardened pessimists, and everyone in between -- are used to, since the turn of the millennium, it's keeping expectations low.

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