Bigboy10182000
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I can’t get behind Higgins/Jefferson types with what we have. I’d take Shenault before them and I’m not a big fan of his. I don’t want ANY “power forward” types. We need speed
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modogg
Footballguy
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
Jon Kitna on Reagor as a 10th grader.
I'm stoked on this pick. Not a college guy and nowhere near a scout, but Reagor seems like a great fit. Looking at his highlights, he seems to know how to use his hands, runs good routes, has good size, tracks the ball well, catches everything with his hands and is a threat to score from everywhere on the field. What's not to like?
I'm stoked on this pick. Not a college guy and nowhere near a scout, but Reagor seems like a great fit. Looking at his highlights, he seems to know how to use his hands, runs good routes, has good size, tracks the ball well, catches everything with his hands and is a threat to score from everywhere on the field. What's not to like?
sporthenry
Footballguy
Fair, perhaps that is the John Madden quote of the thread. Every pick is on Howie. But if you take Jefferson or trade up for Lamb, you can hide behind the consensus. When you go outside the consensus, I feel like you need to be right more than if you didn't.
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Deranged Hermit
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I’m sure some of the stuff I posted about him has already been buried. But if you go back and look, his tape is off the charts good and exactly what we need. A lot of people are going to give him #### about his 40 time with the combine but he apparently ran a 4.28 at his pro day that’s to go along with elite vertical and long jump and tape.
They want to comp Ruggs as Hill. Nope. This is the Hill comp.
The Noid
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Digging further, his catches over those two years: 115. So, if 61% of his 229 targets should have been caught, that's 139 that "should" have been caught, 24 more than he actually caught. So, if 15 were drops, what were the other 9??
DJackson10
Footballguy
The tape is questionable at best To say he played against bad Defenses is generous at best. Plus Big 12 players tend to stat pad offensively.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Not defending the pick, but Howie has to make the picks he wants to build a winning team. That's how he'll be judged, not on how he fails. There's no hiding behind anything.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
The list of those guys we have had and picked is a long and disastrous list. Both draft and FA.
Small WR’s can score TD’s without having to “go up and get it”....
The Noid
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That was/is supposed to be JJAW, who they just used a 2nd round pick on last year. Might be that they aren't ready to write him off yet.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Higgins is another guy I don't want. He seemed to beat up on softer competition and his issues with staying on the field. Didn't miss any games but he was out a good amount of plays during games or knocked out of games. Missed more then half of the title game this past January with a knock
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
When you have to reach that deep to try and justify a pick or find any good in it (Not saying you did here) thats not a good look
Ted Lange as your Bartender
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sporthenry
Footballguy
The one highlight was just busted coverage. Then he just ran by the other guys. I don't care enough to look it up but how many of those guys will be playing on Sunday? Every guy in the draft has a tape that looks good. At the end of the day, nobody really knows hence why we have JJAW and not McLaurin or DK.
modogg
Footballguy
i am wondering what will Alshon look like next year. Have heard some rumors he was battling some nagging injuries all last year. maybe that is the case and Alshon can show something this year. Or maybe they haven't given up on JJ and think he just needed more time. i am hoping the Eagles coaches and scouts have some feelings like this, and if so Raegor was the right call
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Alshon is definitely a wildcard. You can't trade him and it makes no sense to cut him since he has a large cap hit. You're kind of stuck.
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Pigskin Fanatic
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having become a Reager expert over the past hour
the actual point of what is being shared on Reager is how bad his QB and the offense around him has been as compared to the other receivers expected to get drafted as top 10 receivers in this draft prior to draft starting. I saw one stat that in his Jr year he was open 73% of targets, but of those less than 40% was actually catchable. So there is quite a bit of apologist type analysis on his sub 1000 yd stats. So not exactly a reach, though it could be read that way.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Deamon
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DJackson10
Footballguy
Tackling is down right pathetic, The DBs look like they are trying to compete with the Eagles secondary in letting guys go right by him. Only 2 defenses Sooners and Baylor were in the top 50 of total defense or passing. Both total defense were near in the 40s. Really do not trust Big 12 skill players offensively. its a bunch of padded stats.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
assumption that he could have traded up to get Lamb ahead of Dallas but didn't.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Plus just watching his highlights does nothing they are only his good plays. They won't show the negatives. I've watched what I could that was available of all 22s and what full games I could find online full games of players. his 2018 tape vs Ohio State doesn't look good and he looked a lot slower against that defense
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Its hard to make that assumption. And I say that as someone devastated to not get Lamb
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I’m not going to over analyze it. When I watch him with the ball in his hands or blowing by people this is what I want for Wentz. This is what we need and lack. If he turns out to be “just a speed guy” I’m STILL ok with it because we don’t have that either.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Weird to see Curtis Samuel as the #1 comparison when Curtis Samuel could be easily traded for.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
u're right, assumption is the wrong word. it was the collective desire of most of us on this thread today.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
The Eagles could take a page out of the Ravens playbook. If you can't draft a need, just take BPA. Just, for the love of god, don't reach.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Shenault also had terrible QB play (Thats being generous) and did more with less. I would argue that Sheanult had worse QB play for him then Reagor plus Reagor has questionable hands as well. Before the combine Reagor was views ad a mid day 2 pick. He jumped higher because of his combine and pro day. Not always the greatest to judge a player on. Some guys sure. Plus I don't trust any WR or QB or even RB in the Big 12. You want productive playmakers go get em in the SEC or B1G. Heck some of the ACC skill guys too.having become a Reager expert over the past hour
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
My issue is you don't draft "just a speed guy" in the first round. If you get drafted in the 1st round your product better justify that. You can't be drafting specialist when you need WRs overall.
modogg
Footballguy
yeah, Eagles kind of put themselves in this situation with such an obvious need going into the draft. But could be looked at a few ways. Could be the Eagles where you have a decent roster, and only real weakness is WR (possibly LB, but the team likely plays nickel or dime a lot going forward). Or you could be a team like Dallas, where you have multiple significant needs like OL, secondary, and DL, and you draft a best player available because you can't fix all those needs
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
only mention i see, so no negative points for body catches or obvious dropsies.
sporthenry
Footballguy
I mean he could have traded up and gotten him. What the price would have been is the real question. We'll never know but I think why I'd always comp Reagor to Lamb is they clearly didn't think enough to get Lamb but thought enough to take Reagor and not draft back. Some people won't like it but using draft points is better than looking at highlights and telling me this was a good pick.
The difference between where Lamb went and Reagor went was a late 3rd rounder. I don't know where you think Reagor would have went but I have to think they could have at least traded down to the mid 20s and gotten a late 3rd or early 4th rounder. Because Howie didn't want to risk losing him, that is why I'll always put them in the same category.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Shenault basically wasn’t even a WR....but yeah, go on lol.
It’s 2020. Speed matters when you have none and you just gave a QB 100 million. Get him talent to grow with.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I'm not going to name them all, but there were at least a dozen players I would have taken over Reagor. Three are WR.
They have need at LB, S, WR. There were some stud Safeties and LB still there especially.
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sporthenry
Footballguy
Actually, multiple reports that I've read say drops are an issue for him. Seems to be more concentration than anything else.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Yup, you want the next Tyreek Hill, don't look at Big12.
What conference is Okie State in again?
Speaking of bad defenses,good thing they didn't draft Aiyuk out of Pac12. Where did DJax go again? You of all people should know.
DJackson10
Footballguy
I watched a lot of his games too. I think a lot of guys in the conference offensively are overrated by a lot. A lot of stats padded because it's nothing but high scoring games. I don't even think the Big 12 knows what the definition of Defense is anymore. The Defensive play in the conference is an absolute joke at time. Ive seen better at the Middle School level. I remember being at a football camp about 3 yrs ago they had a former NFL scout there who worked in NE/Pitt/SF and GB over the years. Wasn't a big name guy but a guy who was able to make a consistent career. He said the one thing that got him to be in his job so long with consistency was knowing where to look for guys. If you want some flashy speed highlight reel guy go to the Big12. But if you want a productive WR you go looking into the B1G or SEC. ACC sometimes has a hidden Gem and theres always a guy on the west coast somewhere that flashes in someones eyes. The Big 12 Skill guys are more gadget guys specialists.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Ok. So they “reached” because their WR rankings were different than yours. Got it.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
No, they reached because they painted themselves in a corner and thought they HAD to draft a wr. There were much better prospects at LB and S they could have taken (especially lb). Both are positions of need as well.
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sporthenry
Footballguy
This. Great franchises are in the position to take BPA. This team isn't. Decided not to address WR at all in FA and likely didn't take BPA.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Who painted us in this corner?
If you want to argue whether or not the general manager got us into this, I don’t think you’ll find much resistance from anyone on this board. but here we are, so what are you going to do? Just continue to neglect the position every single year? You just gave a quarterback over $100 million you have to give him weapons. A LBer or safer does nothing for that investment. Some teams have the luxury of picking the best player available. SOME. Sadly, we are not one of those teams.
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