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*Official 2020 Philadelphia Eagles Thread* - Fans not allowed at the Linc this season, until they are. Maybe.

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1 minute ago, sporthenry said:

I mean it's a home run pick. High ceiling but also seems like low floor. Seeing him run by non-NFL CBs isn't any more useful than his 4.47 40. I think deciding if a guy is a great pick or a bust on draft night is a fool's errand. All I really do is look at value and for that, the Eagles didn't do well. Nobody will remember if he becomes Desean 2.0 but if he doesn't it will be magnified. Similar with Lamb, I'm not saying he'll be the best but arguably #1 receiver was on the board and theoretically available to them at a cost and they elected to stay put. 

Time will tell how it all plays out. In some respects, I give them credit for going outside the box. But at this point, it's all on Howie. This draft seems incredibly important to his future and this pick seems like it is likely to define it. 

I agree with what your saying. But any pick is on Howie. 

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15 minutes ago, modogg said:

now this is finally a good post from you. 1 round and you already have judged the draft. Definitely an informed fan here, and not some d-bag Dallas wanna be fan. I'll be enjoying my winnings betting against Dallas next year and watching them miss the playoffs again

Philly fans never disappoint.

 

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So, on one hand, Reagor had 15 drops on 229 targets the last 2 years. On the other, only 61% of those 229 targets were catchable. 

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Just now, Deranged Hermit said:

Wouldn't mind seeing them trade up to get get Tee Higgins to hedge their bets a bit. Plus I like him better than Raegor.

Higgins isn't bad, but i would really like Shenault. Guy has a huge upside potential as well. 

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Just now, Deranged Hermit said:

Wouldn't mind seeing them trade up to get get Tee Higgins to hedge their bets a bit. Plus I like him better than Raegor.

I can’t get behind Higgins/Jefferson types with what we have. I’d take Shenault before them and I’m not a big fan of his. I don’t want ANY “power forward” types. We need speed 

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Just now, The Noid said:

So, on one hand, Reagor had 15 drops on 229 targets last year. On the other, only 61% of his 229 targets were catchable. 

and his QB play was pretty atrocious last year

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Jon Kitna on Reagor as a 10th grader.

I'm stoked on this pick. Not a college guy and nowhere near a scout, but Reagor seems like a great fit. Looking at his highlights, he seems to know how to use his hands, runs good routes, has good size, tracks the ball well, catches everything with his hands and is a threat to score from everywhere on the field. What's not to like?

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4 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

I agree with what your saying. But any pick is on Howie. 

Fair, perhaps that is the John Madden quote of the thread. Every pick is on Howie. But if you take Jefferson or trade up for Lamb, you can hide behind the consensus. When you go outside the consensus, I feel like you need to be right more than if you didn't. 

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1 minute ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

I can’t get behind Higgins/Jefferson types with what we have. I’d take Shenault before them and I’m not a big fan of his. I don’t want ANY “power forward” types. We need speed 

They need size. Someone who can go up and get a throw in the endzone.

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2 minutes ago, modogg said:

and his QB play was pretty atrocious last year

I’m sure some of the stuff I posted about him has already been buried. But if you go back and look, his tape is off the charts good and exactly what we need. A lot of people are going to give him #### about his 40 time with the combine but he apparently ran a 4.28 at his pro day that’s to go along with elite vertical and long jump and tape. 
 

They want to comp Ruggs as Hill.  Nope. This is the Hill comp. 

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3 minutes ago, The Noid said:

So, on one hand, Reagor had 15 drops on 229 targets the last 2 years. On the other, only 61% of those 229 targets were catchable. 

Digging further, his catches over those two years: 115. So, if 61% of his 229 targets should have been caught, that's 139 that "should" have been caught, 24 more than he actually caught. So, if 15 were drops, what were the other 9??

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27 minutes ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

The tape is questionable at best To say he played against bad Defenses is generous at best. Plus Big 12 players tend to stat pad offensively. 

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1 minute ago, sporthenry said:

Fair, perhaps that is the John Madden quote of the thread. Every pick is on Howie. But if you take Jefferson or trade up for Lamb, you can hide behind the consensus. When you go outside the consensus, I feel like you need to be right more than if you didn't. 

Not defending the pick, but Howie has to make the picks he wants to build a winning team. That's how he'll be judged, not on how he fails. There's no hiding behind anything.

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1 minute ago, Deranged Hermit said:

They need size. Someone who can go up and get a throw in the endzone.

The list of those guys we have had and picked is a long and disastrous list. Both draft and FA. 
 

Small WR’s can score TD’s without having to “go up and get it”....

 

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1 minute ago, Deranged Hermit said:

They need size. Someone who can go up and get a throw in the endzone.

That was/is supposed to be JJAW, who they just used a 2nd round pick on last year. Might be that they aren't ready to write him off yet. 

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7 minutes ago, Deranged Hermit said:

Wouldn't mind seeing them trade up to get get Tee Higgins to hedge their bets a bit. Plus I like him better than Raegor.

Higgins is another guy I don't want. He seemed to beat up on softer competition and his issues with staying on the field. Didn't miss any games but he was out a good amount of plays during games or knocked out of games. Missed more then half of the title game this past January with a knock 

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1 minute ago, DJackson10 said:

The tape is questionable at best To say he played against bad Defenses is generous at best. Plus Big 12 players tend to stat pad offensively. 

Go into detail on what in that link is questionable and/or bad

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8 minutes ago, The Noid said:

So, on one hand, Reagor had 15 drops on 229 targets the last 2 years. On the other, only 61% of those 229 targets were catchable. 

When you have to reach that deep to try and justify a pick or find any good in it (Not saying you did here) thats not a good look 

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1 minute ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Go into detail on what in that link is questionable and/or bad

The one highlight was just busted coverage. Then he just ran by the other guys. I don't care enough to look it up but how many of those guys will be playing on Sunday? Every guy in the draft has a tape that looks good. At the end of the day, nobody really knows hence why we have JJAW and not McLaurin or DK. 

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The pick is fine.  If it turns out😅

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3 minutes ago, Deranged Hermit said:

They need size. Someone who can go up and get a throw in the endzone.

i am wondering what will Alshon look like next year. Have heard some rumors he was battling some nagging injuries all last year. maybe that is the case and Alshon can show something this year. Or maybe they haven't given up on JJ and think he just needed more time. i am hoping the Eagles coaches and scouts have some feelings like this, and if so Raegor was the right call

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1 minute ago, modogg said:

i am wondering what will Alshon look like next year. Have heard some rumors he was battling some nagging injuries all last year. maybe that is the case and Alshon can show something this year. Or maybe they haven't given up on JJ and think he just needed more time. i am hoping the Eagles coaches and scouts have some feelings like this, and if so Raegor was the right call

Alshon is definitely a wildcard. You can't trade him and it makes no sense to cut him since he has a large cap hit. You're kind of stuck.

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3 minutes ago, DJackson10 said:

When you have to reach that deep to try and justify a pick or find any good in it (Not saying you did here) thats not a good look 

having become a Reager expert over the past hour :grad: the actual point of what is being shared on Reager is how bad his QB and the offense around him has been as compared to the other receivers expected to get drafted as top 10 receivers in this draft prior to draft starting. I saw one stat that in his Jr year he was open 73% of targets, but of those less than 40% was actually catchable. So there is quite a bit of apologist type analysis on his sub 1000 yd stats. So not exactly a reach, though it could be read that way.

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1 minute ago, Ted Lange as your Bartender said:

Why does he have to be better than Lamb?

Ok, in the same ball-park as Lamb.

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4 minutes ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Go into detail on what in that link is questionable and/or bad

Tackling is down right pathetic, The DBs look like they are trying to compete with the Eagles secondary in letting guys go right by him. Only 2 defenses Sooners and Baylor were in the top 50 of total defense or passing. Both total defense were near in the 40s. Really do not trust Big 12 skill players offensively. its a bunch of padded stats. 

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1 minute ago, Ted Lange as your Bartender said:

Why does he have to be better than Lamb?

assumption that he could have traded up to get Lamb ahead of Dallas but didn't.

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10 minutes ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Go into detail on what in that link is questionable and/or bad

Plus just watching his highlights does nothing they are only his good plays. They won't show the negatives. I've watched what I could that was available of all 22s and what full games I could find online full games of players. his 2018 tape vs Ohio State doesn't look good and he looked a lot slower against that defense 

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9 minutes ago, sporthenry said:

The one highlight was just busted coverage. Then he just ran by the other guys. I don't care enough to look it up but how many of those guys will be playing on Sunday? Every guy in the draft has a tape that looks good. At the end of the day, nobody really knows hence why we have JJAW and not McLaurin or DK. 

I’m not going to over analyze it. When I watch him with the ball in his hands or blowing by people this is what I want  for Wentz. This is what we need and lack. If he turns out to be “just a speed guy” I’m  STILL ok with it because we don’t have that either. 

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The Eagles could take a page out of the Ravens playbook. If you can't draft a need, just take BPA. Just, for the love of god, don't reach.

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7 minutes ago, Pigskin Fanatic said:

having become a Reager expert over the past hour :grad: the actual point of what is being shared on Reager is how bad his QB and the offense around him has been as compared to the other receivers expected to get drafted as top 10 receivers in this draft prior to draft starting. I saw one stat that in his Jr year he was open 73% of targets, but of those less than 40% was actually catchable. So there is quite a bit of apologist type analysis on his sub 1000 yd stats. So not exactly a reach, though it could be read that way.

Shenault also had terrible QB play (Thats being generous) and did more with less. I would argue that Sheanult had worse QB play for him then Reagor plus Reagor has questionable hands as well. Before the combine Reagor was views ad a mid day 2 pick. He jumped higher because of his combine and pro day. Not always the greatest to judge a player on. Some guys sure. Plus I don't trust any WR or QB or even RB in the Big 12. You want productive playmakers go get em in the SEC or B1G. Heck some of the ACC skill guys too. 

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4 minutes ago, DJackson10 said:

Plus just watching his highlights does nothing they are only his good plays. They won't show the negatives. I've watched what I could that was available of all 22s and what full games I could find online full games of players. his 2018 tape vs Ohio State doesn't look good and he looked a lot slower against that defense 

I’ve watched every game of his. He’s legit. 

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2 minutes ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

I’m not going to over analyze it. When I watch him with the ball in his hands or blowing by people this is what I want  for Wentz. This is what we need and lack. If he turns out to be “just a speed guy” I’m  STILL ok with it because we don’t have that either. 

My issue is you don't draft "just a speed guy" in the first round. If you get drafted in the 1st round your product better justify that. You can't be drafting specialist when you need WRs overall. 

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2 minutes ago, Deranged Hermit said:

The Eagles could take a page out of the Ravens playbook. If you can't draft a need, just take BPA. Just, for the love of god, don't reach.

yeah, Eagles kind of put themselves in this situation with such an obvious need going into the draft. But could be looked at a few ways. Could be the Eagles where you have a decent roster, and only real weakness is WR (possibly LB, but the team likely plays nickel or dime a lot going forward). Or you could be a team like Dallas, where you have multiple significant needs like OL, secondary, and DL, and you draft a best player available because you can't fix all those needs

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25 minutes ago, ProstheticRGK said:

Jon Kitna on Reagor as a 10th grader.

I'm stoked on this pick. Not a college guy and nowhere near a scout, but Reagor seems like a great fit. Looking at his highlights, he seems to know how to use his hands, runs good routes, has good size, tracks the ball well, catches everything with his hands and is a threat to score from everywhere on the field. What's not to like?

 

1 minute ago, Deamon said:

How are his hands

 

only mention i see, so no negative points for body catches or obvious dropsies.

 

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3 minutes ago, Deranged Hermit said:

The Eagles could take a page out of the Ravens playbook. If you can't draft a need, just take BPA. Just, for the love of god, don't reach.

Ok. So they reached. Who was the best player available?

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1 minute ago, Ted Lange as your Bartender said:

Its hard to make that assumption.  And I say that as someone devastated to not get Lamb

I mean he could have traded up and gotten him. What the price would have been is the real question. We'll never know but I think why I'd always comp Reagor to Lamb is they clearly didn't think enough to get Lamb but thought enough to take Reagor and not draft back. Some people won't like it but using draft points is better than looking at highlights and telling me this was a good pick. 

The difference between where Lamb went and Reagor went was a late 3rd rounder. I don't know where you think Reagor would have went but I have to think they could have at least traded down to the mid 20s and gotten a late 3rd or early 4th rounder. Because Howie didn't want to risk losing him, that is why I'll always put them in the same category.

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2 minutes ago, DJackson10 said:

Shenault also had terrible QB play (Thats being generous) and did more with less. I would argue that Sheanult had worse QB play for him then Reagor plus Reagor has questionable hands as well. Before the combine Reagor was views ad a mid day 2 pick. He jumped higher because of his combine and pro day. Not always the greatest to judge a player on. Some guys sure. Plus I don't trust any WR or QB or even RB in the Big 12. You want productive playmakers go get em in the SEC or B1G. Heck some of the ACC skill guys too. 

Shenault basically wasn’t even a WR....but yeah, go on lol. 

1 minute ago, DJackson10 said:

My issue is you don't draft "just a speed guy" in the first round. If you get drafted in the 1st round your product better justify that. You can't be drafting specialist when you need WRs overall. 

It’s 2020. Speed matters when you have none and you just gave a QB 100 million. Get him talent to grow with. 

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2 minutes ago, LTsharks said:

Ok. So they reached. Who was the best player available?

I'm not going to name them all, but there were at least a dozen players I would have taken over Reagor. Three are WR.

They have need at LB, S, WR. There were some stud Safeties and LB still there especially. 

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3 minutes ago, Pigskin Fanatic said:

 

 

only mention i see, so no negative points for body catches or obvious dropsies.

 

Actually, multiple reports that I've read say drops are an issue for him. Seems to be more concentration than anything else.

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1 minute ago, DJackson10 said:

Shenault also had terrible QB play (Thats being generous) and did more with less. I would argue that Sheanult had worse QB play for him then Reagor plus Reagor has questionable hands as well. Before the combine Reagor was views ad a mid day 2 pick. He jumped higher because of his combine and pro day. Not always the greatest to judge a player on. Some guys sure. Plus I don't trust any WR or QB or even RB in the Big 12. You want productive playmakers go get em in the SEC or B1G. Heck some of the ACC skill guys too. 

Yup, you want the next Tyreek Hill, don't look at Big12. 

What conference is Okie State in again?

Speaking of bad defenses,good thing they didn't draft Aiyuk out of Pac12. Where did DJax go again? You of all people should know.

 

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1 minute ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

I’ve watched every game of his. He’s legit. 

I watched a lot of his games too. I think a lot of guys in the conference offensively are overrated by a lot. A lot of stats padded because it's nothing but high scoring games. I don't even think the Big 12 knows what the definition of Defense is anymore. The Defensive play in the conference is an absolute joke at time. Ive seen better at the Middle School level. I remember being at a football camp about 3 yrs ago they had a former NFL scout there who worked in NE/Pitt/SF and GB over the years. Wasn't a big name guy but a guy who was able to make a consistent career. He said the one thing that got him to be in his job so long with consistency was knowing where to look for guys. If you want some flashy speed highlight reel guy go to the Big12. But if you want a productive WR you go looking into the B1G or SEC. ACC sometimes has a hidden Gem and theres always a guy on the west coast somewhere that flashes in someones eyes. The Big 12 Skill guys are more gadget guys specialists. 

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Just now, Deranged Hermit said:

I'm not going to name them all, but there were at least a dozen players I would have taken over Reagor. Three are WR.

Ok. So they “reached” because their WR rankings were different than yours. Got it. 

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