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Lynn Bowden Jr RB/WR/QB Kentucky (1 Viewer)
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massraider
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I don't even think he's a 3rd round rookie pick. There are soooo many WRs this year. They bump down the QBs, and even the top of this weak TE class.
He's gonna have to get touches like Kamara in order to be relevant. Is he that skilled a runner? I dunno.
Man, maybe he is.
He's gonna have to get touches like Kamara in order to be relevant. Is he that skilled a runner? I dunno.
Man, maybe he is.
Boston
Footballguy
The other issue is Jacobs is no doubt their #1 and they gave Richard a contract with 4.6 guaranteed...even if he is legit it's gonna be tough to get the touches to be fantasy relevant...my guess is if this works out it's gonna be a better real football move then fantasy move.I don't even think he's a 3rd round rookie pick. There are soooo many WRs this year. They bump down the QBs, and even the top of this weak TE class.
He's gonna have to get touches like Kamara in order to be relevant. Is he that skilled a runner? I dunno.
Man, maybe he is.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I don't believe reasonable dynasty fantasy owners expect much fantasy scoring from Bowden in 2020. When you speak of dynasty, I don't really care about Richard in 2020, I care about whether Bowden shows enough in 2020 to have a bigger role in 2021 and beyond. No one expects a late 3rd / 4th rd dynasty draft rookie to set the woods on fire his first season. If you do, then perhaps you should only be playing in redraft leagues (not aimed at @Boston, just people in general who have too high expectations for players like this).
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massraider
Footballguy
Agreed. Chris Thompson with better rushing skills? Is that the hope/vision?
One small little thing in his favor which is worth mentioning: Gruden and Mayock aren't going anywhere (we think). If the Jets drafted Lynn Bowden, I would be down on him because some new coach comes in, first thing they do is bounce the gadget guy/coach's favorite. Whatever Gruden's vision for Bowden's role is, he'll be able to see it through. It's unlikely that a coach change destroys his value.
I have not been bullish on his prospects, maybe I should be moreso.
Boston
Footballguy
Not sure how you build your Dynasty team but in mine with 22 rosters spots I don't like to use a spot on a guy that has a very minimal chance of hitting...my main goal is to win and keep an overall young roster not to prove to people I can hit on a real flyer...just not worth it and with that amount of roster spots a guy like Richard making 4.6 in guaranteed money is a legit issue for two years so Bowden's appeal to me becomes that much less...now, if you are in a league with those huge rosters then he's fine to grab because that is a totally different animal because you don't have to cut another legit player/prospect to keep him...maybe when discussing a guy like Bowden rosters sizes should be noted because it is almost two different conversations based on that.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yes, roster spots play a role. All of my dynasty leagues have 24-26 man rosters. I really don't see the point in too shallow rosters in dynasty leagues to be honest.
Boston
Footballguy
In our league many guys still want the waiver wire to be relevant and with 22 players it barely is (and barely maybe can overstatement)...I could live with a deeper roster but fully understand why we went with 22.
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Stompin' Tom Connors
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I think these takes are right. Rookies are already a crap shoot as even the most highly touted blue-chip prospects need to prove themselves at the next level. And sometimes they don't (JaMarcus Russell was a "can't miss" prospect going into the draft. More applicable to the position, so was Trent Richardson).
The role a tweener positional rookie like Bowden will have is unknown. He is not a no-brainer to pick up 1st and 2nd down duties if Jacobs goes down. Which is why in addition to retaining Richard they also brought in Booker (I think Booker is mediocre at best, but he does more naturally fit a 2-down back mold than Bowden).
Bowden's fantasy outlook is such that I wouldn't expect much this coming year -- it's watching to see how he can be used and how he performs at this level that makes him an intriguing long-term dynasty pick.
Bowden's upside may be capped given his tweener role, but I do agree that Gruden is a guy who can employ a guy with Bowden's skill set in more ways than simple gadgetry. I fully expect we will see Bowden used on many 3rd and mid/short plays to create mismatches and confusion, even if he isn't the guy the ball goes to.
That is Gruden's game -- gain 6 yards with the first two plays with a run down your throat or an audible run/pass at the line, and create (rather than shy away from) favorable 3rd down/distance opportunities to fully spread the team across the field and leverage the entirety of Gruden's playbook. Create a mismatch or a hole in coverage, move the chains, play the possession game.
So while I wouldn't be rushing to draft Bowden given the unknowns, I do think that given Gruden's ability to use him, his floor is Harvin/Cordarelle, his mid is Reggie Bush (who was solid with flashes before continued injury), and his ceiling could be Darren Sproles.
Will be interesting to see how this pans.
Hankmoody
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LVR invested so heavily at skill positions they are all pretty scary because we have no idea how the distribution will be. I like Bowden and would like him more if he had a WR designation because most of my leagues are tiered PPR so being an RB hurts him there. I completely fell asleep on him at his price in my full PPR league and am kicking myself for it.
az_prof
Footballguy
They could cut Richard next year with 0 Dead Cap space. Yes, Richard is part of the equation this year but they didn't commit to him long term. In dynasty, a back up RB with a contract like this is not that big of an obstacle if of course Bowden is the real deal.Boston said:
And while Jacobs is the #1 there are plenty of touches in that offense for a receiving back.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Curious -- what do you think would have been the right offense?
Outside of Bowden joining the 2008 Dolphins in a wildcat backfield with Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams, I am not sure there is a current "ideal" offense for his talents.
Maybe Patriots because of Bill Belichick using the joker in his base offense?
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
You hit on something here - Bowden might have more value in PPR leagues as I bet he is used for short dumps and wheels that he can gain YACs in space.
I am thinking his base is that he may hold the same value as a WR3 given the relative # of receptions.
JohnnyU
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I can see it coming. The Raiders won't use Bowden the way he should be used. Ok, I can see some gadget plays thrown in, but this man should be playing WR, not RB or QB. But what the hell do I know, they are the experts.
JoeSteeler
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az_prof
Footballguy
I'm guessing this story about using him as a running QB is just an indication that are going to be creative getting him on the field and getting him touches. Long term it isn't good as gadget players like Taysom Hill are typically better in reality than in fantasy where they are inconsistent. I don't expect to start Bowden this year but if he shows enough talent with the touches he gets he has a chance to be the receiving back in 2021 and be valuable. I think we will know pretty quickly if his skills translate to the NFL or not. If so, hold; if not, drop and pick up some other prospect.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Lynn Bowden is being traded to the Miami Dolphins along with a 6th round pick for a 4th round pick.
Nice little move by Miami. I wonder if he ends up as a slot WR for them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but was Chan Gailey the OC for the Steelers when Ward/Randle El were there?
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az_prof
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This doesn't seem like good news for Bowden as the team that went all in on him has bailed before even seeing him in an NFL game. Bowden was a third round pick and is paired with a sixth rounder in exchange for a future fourth, so Raiders gave up value to move on.
Miami seems set at RB with Howard and Breida. Hopefully Miami plans to use Bowden as a receiver because there isn't much depth there behind Parker and Williams. If he is used as a wide receiver this could actually help Bowden.
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That's the plan per Barry Jackson, Miami Herald writer. Miami also has QB/WR/RB Malcolm Perry, who might go to the practice squad.
https://www.raidersbeat.com/report-raiders-were-concerned-lynn-bowden-jr-was-becoming-a-negative-influence-on-other-rookies/ Might be a reason they traded him. Vegas isnt for everybody either Too distracting. If I were running the Vegas organization I would put a premium on character.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Maybe. Williams is back, he missed most of the season and is a clear starter across from Parker. Gisecki broke out. There’s plenty of easy completions to RB’s waiting to be scooped up. Not sure the slot here is going to be insanely productive without more injuries, if Parker, Williams, and Gisecki are all what people think they are, unless Tua grows into a top-5 QB in the future.Slapdash said:
I wish I was wrong as I own Malcolm Perry all over the place and he’s developed chemistry with Tua all offseason (and I think he ends up better than Bowden, but that’s not important here).
JohnnyU
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He should have been drafted as a WR from the beginning. Hopefully Miami realizes that and use him accordingly. As for the character stuff, well, we don't know what's rattling in someone's head but he was a very good player at Kentucky that showed lots of explosiveness all over the field and was a positive influence in the locker room. Having to play QB his last year, while it was needed for Kentucky, it hurt his NFL stock IMO.Slapdash said:
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rockaction
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It's always a concern when your own coaches are questioning your explosiveness publicly. Almost like they're telling you not to show up so hungover or something. You usually do not see that. At all.
As far as Bowden goes, he's got a long road ahead of him with the stigma of being a gadget guy.
As far as Bowden goes, he's got a long road ahead of him with the stigma of being a gadget guy.
He punched a guy before their bowl game and only got to play because it was earlier than they could enforce, he is hanging out at grammas house with a bunch of druggies, and he was traded at a loss at least partly because of charachter issues. I dont think he was ever the saint that you thought he was. Most people would take a shot at QB where they make the big bucks in the NFL instead of staying at wr where they make less. Not sure that is all that selfless. That didnt work out so well when they realized he couldnt throw the ball. He did run well but that O line Kentucky had was EXCELLENT by any standards. He would have been better off getting traded to green bay or some other place without the nightlife and beach distractions.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
My apologies for the other thread, we can keep everything in this one.
Good job JohhnyU
Good job JohhnyU
FairWarning
Footballguy
If Geisicki is out, not a bad role. I picked him up and will start him (Ronald Jones owner). Very concerned that it’s against Hoodie though.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
My first look is where is this Lynn Bowden, Jr. WR, RB ranked this week to take a look. Is he listed as both? Not seeing him come up yet?
Edit: Never mind I found him at like Flex #152 / WR #83 overall. Really?1?!
He's going through the roof on Yahoo pick ups. Tremblay and Dodds come in around 3, 4, 5 total points, while the description talks like he's a default RB, WR #1 for the Dolphins this week as a possibility because of Parker and Grant and because of trick plays.
Edit: Never mind I found him at like Flex #152 / WR #83 overall. Really?1?!
He's going through the roof on Yahoo pick ups. Tremblay and Dodds come in around 3, 4, 5 total points, while the description talks like he's a default RB, WR #1 for the Dolphins this week as a possibility because of Parker and Grant and because of trick plays.
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
He was cut after the trade to the Dolphins in my league, which surprised me as we have deep rosters and 14 teams (dynasty). I picked him up immediately and parked him on the taxi squad along with ironically Malcolm Perry and Kirk Merritt—I figured one of those slasher gadget/offensive athlete guys had a chance at developing a rapport with Tua in practice and emerging once he was the starter.
Don’t know if this will pan out but I was happy to take the risk for free.
Don’t know if this will pan out but I was happy to take the risk for free.
Hankmoody
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