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I know we have many people from the state of Florida in this forum and I also know that Florida is typically a swing state from one election to the next.  I've been thinking of creating a thread for Florida politics for a while, given how many different things are going on here that people are continually fighting over.  I've been in this state for 2.5 years now after moving from the Carolinas where I grew up and lived the rest of my life.  In those states individual votes didn't really matter on a national level.  NC is starting to become a little more purple as far as electorate, but that doesn't have a chance of showing up nationally on a consistent basis until all the gerrymandering is addressed.  

Anyway, moving here was a huge culture shock...living in a state where there is true debate is very different.  I thought it'd be interesting to see what fellow Floridians thought about the issues we are tackling as well as getting, from the outsiders, what their perceptions were of the things we are fighting over.  I figured, I'd put a topic or two in here that is being discussed in while the government was in session and also use the thread to update happenings in the state.  

I'll start by saying, in a really odd turn of events, I have found myself agreeing with DeSantis on way more things than I thought I would.  Generally speaking, he's a pretty moderate guy who completely embraced Trump during the primaries.  He hasn't governed that way and has pissed off many of those die hard Trump guys.  With that said, he enjoys over 60% approval in the state, which I find remarkable given the first impression he left during the primaries.  This is WELL above Trump's approval rating in the state.

Amendment 4:  Voting Rights for Felons
Assault Weapons Amendment for 2020
School Voucher Issues

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I want to start with Amendment 4 which was on the ballot in 2018 and received over 60% approval.  It reads as follows:

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No. 4 Constitutional Amendment Article VI, Section 4. Voting Restoration Amendment This amendment restores the voting rights of Floridians with felony convictions after they complete all terms of their sentence including parole or probation. The amendment would not apply to those convicted of murder or sexual offenses, who would continue to be permanently barred from voting unless the Governor and Cabinet vote to restore their voting rights on a case by case basis.

Prior to this amendment Rick Scott had a personally run "committee" where he and his "committee" decided unilaterally all the cases filed for restoration of voting rights.  I'm pretty sure you can guess how well that went for most all those who applied and were lucky enough to even be acknowledged by the "committee" to have their pleas heard.  Knowing this, people showed up and made their voices heard by voting FOR the amendment in an overwhelming manner.  The legislature has been fighting it ever since.  At a 10,000 foot level the legislature is including court costs, court fees etc as part of "all terms of their sentence".  Few have an issue with penalties assessed as part of sentencing ala "I sentence you to 5 years in prison and a fine of $10,000"...few are disputing that the $10,000 is definitely part of the sentence and should be included as such.  Serve your time, pay your $10,000 and you can vote.  Legislature isn't satisfied and now there are lawsuits.  I rather large blow was dealt via the State Supreme Court saying they believed that it was fine to include those sorts of costs despite them not being listed in the amendment.  This was an opinion, not a ruling (sorry...legal term escapes me) but nonetheless the legislature is using it as a rock to hide behind.  

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I have family that lives in Ft Myers and Sanibel. Like you, they have also been pleasantly surprised by DeSantis. Especially with regards to environmental issues.

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2 hours ago, That one guy said:

I voted in favor of this last time, will do again

 The only thing left is the legislature to do the right thing.  It's out of our control now.

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Great thread, @The Commish! Like you, I'm a Florida transplant. Moved to Miami five years ago after spending nearly my entire life in the Northeast. (It was mostly a cost-of-living decision, although my wife grew up down here and the weather was a big factor for her. I've ... come around to that point of view.)

After basically having no competitive elections ever when i lived up north, I guess it's cool to finally feel like my vote matters. But as a Democrat, Florida has become the ultimate ####-tease. We always make it close, but can never seem to win unless it's a race where we don't need Florida to put us over the top. The two 2018 races were basically a big FU to political scientists or anyone else who had a theory about the Florida electorate. Dems ran an old, bland centrist for Senate whose only real accomplishment was being the only Democrat who could continue to get elected statewide, and they ran a dynamic-but-flawed young African American for governor. Both lost by the same razor-thin margin, so the only possible conclusion to draw from that is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

A couple other thoughts:

  • I too have been pleasantly surprised by DeSantis so far. I think he ran as a super-Trumpy doofus, which led me to believe he was an empty suit, but he's actually a very smart guy, and I actually think he could be positioning himself very well to run for president in 2024. On the one hand, he comes across as a genial guy, with no super-hard edges. On the other, he already established his brand as a Trump supporter, so the base likes him. Plus, he's struck a moderate tone, but it's not like he's taken any positions that really put him crosswise with his base. 
  • The Amendment 4 legislation sucks, but I'm cautiously optimistic that the worst effects can be mitigated. For one thing, the court's ruling wasn't as expansive on fees as it could have been. Also, from what I've read there's a bit of an 80/20 dynamic in terms of who owes fees. The majority of ex-felons only owe a small amount. And there are campaigns to raise money to help those people pay off their debts (I'd love to see a Bloomberg/Steyer type write a check and take care of it in one fell swoop). My biggest concern is that the net effect of all these laws and lawsuits will be to discourage ex-felons from even bothering to register, and that we won't even be able to measure the impact of that.
  • Speaking of electoral reform, the other court case to keep an eye on is the lawsuit arguing that candidates should be listed in random order on the ballot, rather than always putting the incumbent party at the top. Aside from the fact that this gave us the infamous butterfly ballot, it's been estimated that such positioning can impact results by up to five points.
  • As close as they always come to winning, I am super-disillusioned with the Florida Democratic Party. How is it that a party with its base in one of the most heavily Latino cities in the US can't seem to build a bench of Latino candidates to run statewide? I forget if the stat is that Dems have never elected a South Florida Latino or that they've never even nominated one, but either way it's a disgrace. Yes, I know the Cubans have historically been Republican, but that's changing with the younger generation, plus tons of other Latinos have been moving to the state in recent years, and other than the Venezuelans, they all should be natural Democrats. Hundreds of thousands of Puerto Ricans moved to Florida after Maria, all of whom had plenty of reason to be pissed at Trump and the GOP, and yet the Dems let themselves get outflanked by Rick Scott. Meanwhile, DeSantis picks a Cuban-American as his running mate while Gillum picks a white dude from Orlando who gets hit with accusations of anti-Semitism. Trump has been laser-targeting conservative Latinos for the past three years, and if he ends up winning the state it will be because he managed to hold down his margins among that group.
  • The only Dem that anyone seems remotely excited about is Nikki Fried, but my guess is she doesn't risk challenging DeSantis in '22 and waits until he's term limited in '26.

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The whole “voting tax” thing is messed up and a sad way to basically block something Fl voters approved. I applaud some of the environmental initiatives DeSantis has enacted, but a lot of the other stuff is typical draconian business as usual GOP fare.

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Has sports betting been reintroduced?  Last time I researched a couple years ago the subject seemed to have been gaining traction, but don’t know how far forward it has actually gone.  I know it’s ultimately an inconsequential topic, but I like poker and sports betting and it angers me greatly that such activities are so hard to participate in while our state is all in with their lottery offerings 

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1 hour ago, That one guy said:

Has sports betting been reintroduced?  Last time I researched a couple years ago the subject seemed to have been gaining traction, but don’t know how far forward it has actually gone.  I know it’s ultimately an inconsequential topic, but I like poker and sports betting and it angers me greatly that such activities are so hard to participate in while our state is all in with their lottery offerings 

This is where me being here only a couple years leaves me lacking.  Speaking personally, I have a place not two miles from my house that has dog track betting and poker.  That's all that's in the place.  I thought these places were common, no?  Reading this post leads me to believe that's not the case.  :oldunsure:

 

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I’m interested in this topic since my wife and I will be moving to FL in June. As zftcg noted above, it’ll be interesting to be in a place where my presidential vote will actually matter. 

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Lifelong FL here, born and raised in Miami. I've also lived in Hollywood, Ft. Lauderdale, Juno Beach, Pompano Beach, Jensen Beach, Stuart, Jax Beach, Jax, Destin and now Hernando in Citrus County. There is much political diversity depending on which part of the state you are in. The panhandle is decidely conservative with many AL, MISS, LA, GA transplants. Where I live now is also very conservative with old time FL Crackers. S. FL is mostly liberal with many northerners.

I did not vote for DeSantis but he is doing better than I had hoped. He recently just approved a state land purchase that had been approved for private oil drilling near the everglades, this will prevent the drilling. He also is against offshore drilling in the Gulf (thank god).

Keep your eye on former FL Attorney General Pam Bondi as Trump just appointed her to his legal team for the impeachment hearing. I know Trump thinks she's easy on the eyes and is grooming her for AG in case Barr takes a fall.

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1 hour ago, Blue Dot Orange Dot said:

I’m interested in this topic since my wife and I will be moving to FL in June. As zftcg noted above, it’ll be interesting to be in a place where my presidential vote will actually matter. 

Where are you moving to?

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12 hours ago, zftcg said:
  • The only Dem that anyone seems remotely excited about is Nikki Fried, but my guess is she doesn't risk challenging DeSantis in '22 and waits until he's term limited in '26.

She is a very bright spot, if Adam Putnam had beat her for AG commish we'd really be screwed. She is also a big push for the weed.

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Just now, Joe Mammy said:

She is a very bright spot, if Adam Putnam had beat her for AG commish we'd really be screwed. She is also a big push for the weed.

She didn’t run against Putnam. He was term limited out (and lost the primary to DeSantis). I think she beat Caldwell? And while I can’t prove it, my theory is that the weed thing got just enough young voters excited for her that she slightly outperformed the other Dems and eked out a win

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Like others, I didn't vote for Desantis but I've been decently happy with the job he's done.

Regarding betting/poker/etc., it's tough to get anything done with the Seminoles having their agreement with FL. Also, you have some big boys, like Disney, who will fight like hell to prevent gambling to grow here (especially new casinos).

The Naples Fort Myers Greyhound Track has started stacking up concrete blocks on their new poker room so that's pretty exciting. 👍

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4 hours ago, zftcg said:

She didn’t run against Putnam. He was term limited out (and lost the primary to DeSantis). I think she beat Caldwell? And while I can’t prove it, my theory is that the weed thing got just enough young voters excited for her that she slightly outperformed the other Dems and eked out a win

Everytime I get gas and see Fried's picture on the gas pump, I think of when Jack Nicholson played the Joker.

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6 minutes ago, eoMMan said:

Like others, I didn't vote for Desantis but I've been decently happy with the job he's done.

Regarding betting/poker/etc., it's tough to get anything done with the Seminoles having their agreement with FL. Also, you have some big boys, like Disney, who will fight like hell to prevent gambling to grow here (especially new casinos).

The Naples Fort Myers Greyhound Track has started stacking up concrete blocks on their new poker room so that's pretty exciting. 👍

What does this mean?

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4 hours ago, Blue Dot Orange Dot said:

St. Pete. It’s our early retirement spot. 

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Moved to Florida all the way back in 2007, pretty much straight out of college. It's definitely a unique state with its positives(warm almost all year, great food) and negatives(hurricanes, out of state drivers), but I enjoy it here. I did vote for Rick Scott, but regretted it in a big way when the St. Lucie River got poisoned by the runoff, and I had a very hard time choosing a gubernatorial candidate last time around. Would up going with DeSantis, mostly because his rival was facing legal trouble, but for a lot of local candidates, I split between Democrat and Republican, whoever was going to stop dumping crap into the river. I will say that DeSantis has kept himself out of the spotlight, aside from his claims to support Trump, and he's trying to clean up the rivers, so that's a start.

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6 hours ago, Blue Dot Orange Dot said:

I’m interested in this topic since my wife and I will be moving to FL in June. As zftcg noted above, it’ll be interesting to be in a place where my presidential vote will actually matter. 

Where in FL are you moving?  Welcome!!  It's hot as #### down here!

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10 minutes ago, The Commish said:

Where in FL are you moving?  Welcome!!  It's hot as #### down here!

See above - St. Pete. We’ll be coming from Texas and we are definitely looking forward to it. 

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1 minute ago, Blue Dot Orange Dot said:

See above - St. Pete. We’ll be coming from Texas and we are definitely looking forward to it. 

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1 hour ago, Apple Jack said:

What does this mean?

Oh, my bad. Just meant they started construction. They started the foundation/walls made of concrete blocks. 

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1 hour ago, Blue Dot Orange Dot said:

See above - St. Pete. We’ll be coming from Texas and we are definitely looking forward to it. 

Nice! Beach or golf? Those are your only options :lol:

 My brother lives in Tampa, and his mother-in-law has a place on St. Pete Beach. Gulf Coast is a little slow for me, but the beaches are way better (at least when there’s not a red tide, though that affects both coasts). Enjoy!

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1 minute ago, zftcg said:

Nice! Beach or golf? My brother lives in Tampa, and his mother-in-law has a place on St. Pete Beach. Gulf Coast is a little slow for me, but the beaches are way better (at least when there’s not a red tide, though that affects both coasts). Enjoy!

We’re in the old NE not too far from the bay. Planning on lots of golf and with the Hard Rock not too far away there will be poker as well. I’ll also have to check out Derby Lane but I think the Hard Rock will have more poker action. 

 

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2 hours ago, Kal El said:

I will say that DeSantis has kept himself out of the spotlight, aside from his claims to support Trump, and he's trying to clean up the rivers, so that's a start.

Someone made a good point recently about Florida Republicans. They talk a good game about environmental issues, particularly stuff like red tide, cleaning up rivers and restoring the Everglades. But they always limit their scope to the symptoms. They don’t really want to confront the causes: corporate pollution, overdevelopment, deregulation. And God forbid they talk about the fact that climate change will put most of South Florida under water within a few decades. My conservative sister-in-law in Tampa actually said to me recently, “Do you think the sea levels are rising or is Miami sinking?”

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59 minutes ago, zftcg said:

Someone made a good point recently about Florida Republicans. They talk a good game about environmental issues, particularly stuff like red tide, cleaning up rivers and restoring the Everglades. But they always limit their scope to the symptoms. They don’t really want to confront the causes: corporate pollution, overdevelopment, deregulation. And God forbid they talk about the fact that climate change will put most of South Florida under water within a few decades. My conservative sister-in-law in Tampa actually said to me recently, “Do you think the sea levels are rising or is Miami sinking?”

The lobbyists are a huge problem, and the Army Corps of engineers control the water situation around the Lake(a decade ago, the water level of Okeechobee was half of what it was due to drought, and the now exposed muck caught fire. Firefighters couldn't fight it, because if they walked out onto it, they risked the fire burning underneath them and dropping them into it. And boy did it stink! Like someone lit a slimy turd on fire). Big Sugar still has a lot of power around the lake, despite the fact that running the water through the Everglades would both help restore it and filter the water out better than anything the Army can come up with.

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9 hours ago, The Commish said:

This is where me being here only a couple years leaves me lacking.  Speaking personally, I have a place not two miles from my house that has dog track betting and poker.  That's all that's in the place.  I thought these places were common, no?  Reading this post leads me to believe that's not the case.  :oldunsure:

 

I believe that dog tracks are being outlawed in the state, due to an amendment that passed at the same time as Amendment 4. The Palm Beach Kennel Club here barely advertises the races now, choosing to focus more on poker to bring in more clientele.

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1 hour ago, Kal El said:

I believe that dog tracks are being outlawed in the state, due to an amendment that passed at the same time as Amendment 4. The Palm Beach Kennel Club here barely advertises the races now, choosing to focus more on poker to bring in more clientele.

Correct. 2020 is the final year for dog racing in Florida. 

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Have any of you guys ever read The Swamp, by Michael Grunwald? It's a history of the Everglades, but it's really a history of Florida's politics (it was published in the early Aughts, so it basically goes up to the 2000 election).

I read it shortly after moving here, and what struck me about it was that historically, Florida was a southern state not all that different from other states in the Deep South, but since WWII we've gradually been adding population to three blue counties in the SE (Palm Beach, Broward and Miami-Dade). What this means is that electorate has gotten pretty purple, but all the structures were set up in an earlier era, so they're still very favorable to the conservative faction (historically Democrats, now largely Republican). The state is still heavily gerrymandered, and the felon-voting restrictions that Amendment 4 sought to overturn were originally passed in the Jim Crow era along with poll taxes, literacy tests, etc. (I'm pretty sure the only reason the felon stuff survived was because, when most of those things were repealed in the '60s, we were also in the midst of rising crime rates so no one wanted to be seen as "soft").

5 hours ago, Punxsutawney Phil said:

I'm hopeful that with all the displaced Puerto Ricans, felons, and footballguy boomers can turn the state blue sooner than later!!!

I'm really starting to wonder if it will ever happen. Perhaps because conservatives still have such a stranglehold on the state's political system, we haven't seen elderly retirees start to decamp to nearby states, as happened in California in the '90s. Instead, they all just keep moving to the Villages in Orlando. The retirees who die off are replaced by new, slightly younger (but equally conservative) ones.

Also, the one thing Democrats here can absolutely not do is assume that demography is destiny, especially when they're doing such a terrible job of locking up the Latino vote. Honestly, the worst part may not be that there are so few statewide candidates and leaders who are Latino. The worst part is that the Anglos who are in charge don't even seem to have a clue about how to connect with Latinos and orient the party around its single biggest constituency. If they ever figure out how to do that, then we could really see Florida become a blue state. But we're still some distance away from that happening.

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I wish they would move the villages to Orlando. Make things a lot better for Lake, Sumter, and Marion counties. Urban and rural area population about evenly split so elections will continue to be close in the foreseeable future. I think I like that better than Florida turning blue.

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On 1/18/2020 at 9:49 PM, zftcg said:

Great thread, @The Commish! Like you, I'm a Florida transplant. Moved to Miami five years ago after spending nearly my entire life in the Northeast. (It was mostly a cost-of-living decision, although my wife grew up down here and the weather was a big factor for her. I've ... come around to that point of view.)

After basically having no competitive elections ever when i lived up north, I guess it's cool to finally feel like my vote matters. But as a Democrat, Florida has become the ultimate ####-tease. We always make it close, but can never seem to win unless it's a race where we don't need Florida to put us over the top. The two 2018 races were basically a big FU to political scientists or anyone else who had a theory about the Florida electorate. Dems ran an old, bland centrist for Senate whose only real accomplishment was being the only Democrat who could continue to get elected statewide, and they ran a dynamic-but-flawed young African American for governor. Both lost by the same razor-thin margin, so the only possible conclusion to draw from that is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

A couple other thoughts:

  • I too have been pleasantly surprised by DeSantis so far. I think he ran as a super-Trumpy doofus, which led me to believe he was an empty suit, but he's actually a very smart guy, and I actually think he could be positioning himself very well to run for president in 2024. On the one hand, he comes across as a genial guy, with no super-hard edges. On the other, he already established his brand as a Trump supporter, so the base likes him. Plus, he's struck a moderate tone, but it's not like he's taken any positions that really put him crosswise with his base. 
  • The Amendment 4 legislation sucks, but I'm cautiously optimistic that the worst effects can be mitigated. For one thing, the court's ruling wasn't as expansive on fees as it could have been. Also, from what I've read there's a bit of an 80/20 dynamic in terms of who owes fees. The majority of ex-felons only owe a small amount. And there are campaigns to raise money to help those people pay off their debts (I'd love to see a Bloomberg/Steyer type write a check and take care of it in one fell swoop). My biggest concern is that the net effect of all these laws and lawsuits will be to discourage ex-felons from even bothering to register, and that we won't even be able to measure the impact of that.
  • Speaking of electoral reform, the other court case to keep an eye on is the lawsuit arguing that candidates should be listed in random order on the ballot, rather than always putting the incumbent party at the top. Aside from the fact that this gave us the infamous butterfly ballot, it's been estimated that such positioning can impact results by up to five points.
  • As close as they always come to winning, I am super-disillusioned with the Florida Democratic Party. How is it that a party with its base in one of the most heavily Latino cities in the US can't seem to build a bench of Latino candidates to run statewide? I forget if the stat is that Dems have never elected a South Florida Latino or that they've never even nominated one, but either way it's a disgrace. Yes, I know the Cubans have historically been Republican, but that's changing with the younger generation, plus tons of other Latinos have been moving to the state in recent years, and other than the Venezuelans, they all should be natural Democrats. Hundreds of thousands of Puerto Ricans moved to Florida after Maria, all of whom had plenty of reason to be pissed at Trump and the GOP, and yet the Dems let themselves get outflanked by Rick Scott. Meanwhile, DeSantis picks a Cuban-American as his running mate while Gillum picks a white dude from Orlando who gets hit with accusations of anti-Semitism. Trump has been laser-targeting conservative Latinos for the past three years, and if he ends up winning the state it will be because he managed to hold down his margins among that group.
  • The only Dem that anyone seems remotely excited about is Nikki Fried, but my guess is she doesn't risk challenging DeSantis in '22 and waits until he's term limited in '26.

So after years of voting for candidates that made your city to expensive to live in. You come to Florida and vote for the exact same of kind of people that will enact the same kind of laws that lead to leaving.   

 

Brilliant!!

 

 

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17 minutes ago, E Street Brat said:

So after years of voting for candidates that made your city to expensive to live in. You come to Florida and vote for the exact same of kind of people that will enact the same kind of laws that lead to leaving.   

 

Brilliant!!

 

 

I have no problem with folks moving down here. It's part of what makes the state great. My hope is they come with an open mind and bring the good aspects of their political beliefs and not the negative ones. Also I hope they remember the policies that led to the problems they had up North or more importantly the ones that have caused all the problems on the left coast.

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19 minutes ago, rustycolts said:

I have no problem with folks moving down here. It's part of what makes the state great. My hope is they come with an open mind and bring the good aspects of their political beliefs and not the negative ones. Also I hope they remember the policies that led to the problems they had up North or more importantly the ones that have caused all the problems on the left coast.

The problem with that is that the positives almost never come without the negatives. It's also a different culture here, and while Yankees love to tell us how much better it is where they used to live, that probably won't work down here.

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On 1/18/2020 at 11:45 AM, The Commish said:

I want to start with Amendment 4 which was on the ballot in 2018 and received over 60% approval.  It reads as follows:

Prior to this amendment Rick Scott had a personally run "committee" where he and his "committee" decided unilaterally all the cases filed for restoration of voting rights.  I'm pretty sure you can guess how well that went for most all those who applied and were lucky enough to even be acknowledged by the "committee" to have their pleas heard.  Knowing this, people showed up and made their voices heard by voting FOR the amendment in an overwhelming manner.  The legislature has been fighting it ever since.  At a 10,000 foot level the legislature is including court costs, court fees etc as part of "all terms of their sentence".  Few have an issue with penalties assessed as part of sentencing ala "I sentence you to 5 years in prison and a fine of $10,000"...few are disputing that the $10,000 is definitely part of the sentence and should be included as such.  Serve your time, pay your $10,000 and you can vote.  Legislature isn't satisfied and now there are lawsuits.  I rather large blow was dealt via the State Supreme Court saying they believed that it was fine to include those sorts of costs despite them not being listed in the amendment.  This was an opinion, not a ruling (sorry...legal term escapes me) but nonetheless the legislature is using it as a rock to hide behind.  

 

I have pretty much voted against all Florida amendments dating back to the “Pregnant Pig” amendment.

Legislation should come from the elected officials, and all these amendments do is give cover to the cowards who are afraid to sign their name to a law that may harm their re-election efforts.

 

That said, I voted no but I am in favor of restoring voting rights once the penalty has been complete. Including any fines, restitution probation or parole time is completed. 

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I like that we vote on amendments. The problem is that they are written in a way that no one can understand them. You may think you are voting in something you believe in when actually you are voting against it. That was the problem with amendment 3 in 2018. People thought they were voting pro Casino when they were not.  Anytime Disney or The Seminoles are in favor of an amendment you can be sure it's not pro gambling.

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38 minutes ago, Kal El said:

The problem with that is that the positives almost never come without the negatives. It's also a different culture here, and while Yankees love to tell us how much better it is where they used to live, that probably won't work down here.

I worked for Publix for many many years and I swear my biggest pet peeve was having to hear from people how much better it was where ever it was they came from. I always thought why the hell are you here then why didn't you just stay there.

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46 minutes ago, E Street Brat said:

 

I have pretty much voted against all Florida amendments dating back to the “Pregnant Pig” amendment.

Legislation should come from the elected officials, and all these amendments do is give cover to the cowards who are afraid to sign their name to a law that may harm their re-election efforts.

 

That said, I voted no but I am in favor of restoring voting rights once the penalty has been complete. Including any fines, restitution probation or parole time is completed. 

Not sure I am following this logic.  As I understand it, we as an electorate in the state vote on things we want the legislature to create legislation on.  It's still 100% up to them to craft the legislation and put their name on it.  It comes from them specifically.  Is that not correct?  :oldunsure: 

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21 hours ago, Kal El said:

I believe that dog tracks are being outlawed in the state, due to an amendment that passed at the same time as Amendment 4. The Palm Beach Kennel Club here barely advertises the races now, choosing to focus more on poker to bring in more clientele.

Right...but it's my understanding that those places could/would simply televise from places where it was still legal and allow bets that way and in doing so keep the poker rooms too.  Is that not correct?

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41 minutes ago, rustycolts said:

I like that we vote on amendments. The problem is that they are written in a way that no one can understand them. You may think you are voting in something you believe in when actually you are voting against it. That was the problem with amendment 3 in 2018. People thought they were voting pro Casino when they were not.  Anytime Disney or The Seminoles are in favor of an amendment you can be sure it's not pro gambling.

I found some pretty good resources to explain them last election.  That wasn't a problem with Amendment 4 though.  It was clear and precise.  Now it's in the hands of lawmakers intentionally attempting to muddy things up IMO.

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5 minutes ago, The Commish said:

Right...but it's my understanding that those places could/would simply televise from places where it was still legal and allow bets that way and in doing so keep the poker rooms too.  Is that not correct?

Yes. 

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2 minutes ago, The Commish said:

I found some pretty good resources to explain them last election.  That wasn't a problem with Amendment 4 though.  It was clear and precise.  Now it's in the hands of lawmakers intentionally attempting to muddy things up IMO.

The problem is the avg voter will not do what you did.

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1 minute ago, The Commish said:

Not sure I am following this logic.  As I understand it, we as an electorate in the state vote on things we want the legislature to create legislation on.  It's still 100% up to them to craft the legislation and put their name on it.  It comes from them specifically.  Is that not correct?  :oldunsure: 

Not the amendments.  Those are generally written by groups and/or business with something to gain. Then passed into law by way of state elections.  

Do you really think John Morgan cares about 'The People" "The very sick People"  to spend 7 million on on medical marijuana? Of course not. Now he's behind the recreation weed push because he's invested heavily in the AG and dispensary side of. 

 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, rustycolts said:

I worked for Publix for many many years and I swear my biggest pet peeve was having to hear from people how much better it was where ever it was they came from. I always thought why the hell are you here then why didn't you just stay there.

I know, right! I moved from Michigan and I'm not going back. Sure, I miss the fall, but not the clouds from October to April. I like going outside in shorts 85% of the time. The people are friendlier there, but the food is more diverse here.

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23 minutes ago, The Commish said:

Right...but it's my understanding that those places could/would simply televise from places where it was still legal and allow bets that way and in doing so keep the poker rooms too.  Is that not correct?

Probably, but since I don't gamble, I'm not up to date on it. I can see both sides of the argument about greyhounds racing, and a lot of those same arguments could be made about horses, but nobody says anything.

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40 minutes ago, E Street Brat said:

Not the amendments.  Those are generally written by groups and/or business with something to gain. Then passed into law by way of state elections.  

Do you really think John Morgan cares about 'The People" "The very sick People"  to spend 7 million on on medical marijuana? Of course not. Now he's behind the recreation weed push because he's invested heavily in the AG and dispensary side of. 

 

 

 

Hey hey hey!  Don’t go bad mouthing the true King of Central Florida, John Morgan! I’ve had many a beer with John and his family over the years, he truly wants you to be able to party!

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48 minutes ago, E Street Brat said:

Not the amendments.  Those are generally written by groups and/or business with something to gain. Then passed into law by way of state elections.  

Do you really think John Morgan cares about 'The People" "The very sick People"  to spend 7 million on on medical marijuana? Of course not. Now he's behind the recreation weed push because he's invested heavily in the AG and dispensary side of. 

 

 

 

Wait...I'm confused.  If this is the case, then what is the legislature doing exactly by trying to get things NOT in the ballot verbiage into law?  And what exactly is the FL Supreme Court weighing in on per request of the Governor?  If already decided by our vote, this is done.  I"m missing something here.

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22 minutes ago, The Commish said:

Wait...I'm confused.  If this is the case, then what is the legislature doing exactly by trying to get things NOT in the ballot verbiage into law?  And what exactly is the FL Supreme Court weighing in on per request of the Governor?  If already decided by our vote, this is done.  I"m missing something here.

Tried the same with M.M. Wouldn't allow flower to be sold. Same with Daylight savings thay we  voted on still not all year round. Seems like all politicians they feel they know better what is good for us than we do. Amendment 4 will happen but it will take time because of the politicians.

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