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2 minutes ago, zftcg said:

My son’s school was closed today — an employee at our local community center tested positive last night, and she had interacted with students — but it was clear the whole district was going to shut down soon enough. Miami-Dade is on spring break the week after next anyway

They told us that staff may be asked to report on the 23rd, they'll let us know. I imagine they'll want custodial staff to report, maybe instructional. I don't mind cleaning my room and getting stuff done if the little germ spreaders aren't there.

Stay healthy

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1 hour ago, JamieMurphy said:

They told us that staff may be asked to report on the 23rd, they'll let us know. I imagine they'll want custodial staff to report, maybe instructional. I don't mind cleaning my room and getting stuff done if the little germ spreaders aren't there.

Stay healthy

Thanks. We were planning on driving across the state today to celebrate my dad’s 79th birthday with him but called off the trip because I just couldn’t bring myself to risk it with the two little diseases vectors that are my sons. If my parents got sick, even if I didn’t know it was my kids who caused it, I would never forgive myself. 

Dad was originally opposed to us canceling and said, “We can’t stop living.” I said, “You literally can, and that’s why we’re not coming.”

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The beaches on the east coast were absolute madness this weekend.  We were over trying to watch the space launches, and get the kids out of the house a bit before we lock them down.  I guess all the Orlando hotels were selling the "don't leave because the parks closed, just go to the beaches" shtick.  It worked....there were people everywhere.

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10 hours ago, The Commish said:

The beaches on the east coast were absolute madness this weekend.  We were over trying to watch the space launches, and get the kids out of the house a bit before we lock them down.  I guess all the Orlando hotels were selling the "don't leave because the parks closed, just go to the beaches" shtick.  It worked....there were people everywhere.

We went to the beach in Miami both days this weekend. If they’re not crowded (and the ones we went to were not) beaches are an ideal outdoor activity during this time. But I saw those images of Clearwater today and was horrified. Also, on our way to the beach we passed a number of large gatherings, including a children’s birthday party with the grandparents in attendance :doh:

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DeSantis just closed every bar and night club in the state for 30 days!

Alot of bar workers gonna be hurting.

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You whisper "barracuda", and people say, "huh? what?".

But you say "closed bars" and you have a panic in the middle of spring break!!!!!

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It feels like voter turnout for the primary was pretty decent given the circumstances.  Is this on par with previous years?  Curious what you guys think about this.

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13 minutes ago, The Commish said:

It feels like voter turnout for the primary was pretty decent given the circumstances.  Is this on par with previous years?  Curious what you guys think about this.

I think I saw half a mil more than 2016 (2.2M to 1.7). No idea how that compares to 2008, but it is pretty impressive given the circumstances. Not sure if it has any predictive value for the fall

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40 minutes ago, zftcg said:

I think I saw half a mil more than 2016 (2.2M to 1.7). No idea how that compares to 2008, but it is pretty impressive given the circumstances. Not sure if it has any predictive value for the fall

If being honest....I'm really only interested in the number of people who mailed in a ballot at this point.  It would be evidence towards a mail in election being possible.  I'm confident a large number of people went this route.

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13 minutes ago, The Commish said:

If being honest....I'm really only interested in the number of people who mailed in a ballot at this point.  It would be evidence towards a mail in election being possible.  I'm confident a large number of people went this route.

I voted early on the 7th, before the gravity and reality of what we were facing had set in.

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4 minutes ago, JamieMurphy said:

I voted early on the 7th, before the gravity and reality of what we were facing had set in.

Yeah...I'd be really interested to see when/how people voted.  I couldn't vote and my wife had her ballot, but when it came to either Biden or Bernie, she didn't send it in.

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Voted early on Sunday. I've never voted early before -- our regular polling place is a block away at my son's school, and there are never any lines, even during presidential elections -- but the school was shut down indefinitely after an employee tested positive, and we weren't even sure where our new polling place would be. My wife and discussed not voting because the primary was a done deal, but on Sunday we were driving home and I realized we could swing by a library on Miami Beach that was doing early voting. It was super easy -- in and out in less than five minutes, and one of us stayed in the car with the kids while the other voted -- and I felt like they were doing a good job of keeping things sanitary. Given all the government screw-ups we've been seeing lately, it was nice to see something being done right.

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On 3/16/2020 at 6:28 PM, zftcg said:

We went to the beach in Miami both days this weekend. If they’re not crowded (and the ones we went to were not) beaches are an ideal outdoor activity during this time. But I saw those images of Clearwater today and was horrified. Also, on our way to the beach we passed a number of large gatherings, including a children’s birthday party with the grandparents in attendance :doh:

Well, looks like the #^$&)*%# Millennial spring breakers ruined it for everyone else. Miami-Dade closed all beaches today. From what I hear they have cops chasing away anyone who tries to go.

There goes one of the last remaining outdoor activities you could do with your kids :hot:

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8 minutes ago, zftcg said:

Well, looks like the #^$&)*%# Millennial spring breakers ruined it for everyone else. Miami-Dade closed all beaches today. From what I hear they have cops chasing away anyone who tries to go.

There goes one of the last remaining outdoor activities you could do with your kids :hot:

Yesterday, I saw a few spring breakers on the beach, no big crowds, some throwing frisbees on a great beach day. Even a small beach wedding. Closing the beach seems like a response to big spring break crowds elsewhere.

Today, I walked along the boardwalk, which is still legal. There was orange plastic fencing covering beach entries,  but a very few people got around it. No cops anywhere. About 5 miles offshore were still 2 cruise ships that were there yesterday. There may be no space in the Port of Miami.

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19 minutes ago, SoBeDad said:

Yesterday, I saw a few spring breakers on the beach, no big crowds, some throwing frisbees on a great beach day. Even a small beach wedding. Closing the beach seems like a response to big spring break crowds elsewhere.

Today, I walked along the boardwalk, which is still legal. There was orange plastic fencing covering beach entries,  but a very few people got around it. No cops anywhere. About 5 miles offshore were still 2 cruise ships that were there yesterday. There may be no space in the Port of Miami.

I think the issue with the beaches — and I have some sympathy for public officials here — is that it’s hard to come up with an enforceable policy that allows people to go to the beach but restricts crowd size. Much easier to just keep people off the beach altogether. 

And yes, the cruise ships are just hanging out off the coast because there are no open slots in the port. I heard something today about Trump asking Mickey Arison from Carnival about repurposing ships as floating hospitals. 

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10 hours ago, zftcg said:

Well, looks like the #^$&)*%# Millennial spring breakers ruined it for everyone else. Miami-Dade closed all beaches today. From what I hear they have cops chasing away anyone who tries to go.

There goes one of the last remaining outdoor activities you could do with your kids :hot:

This seems to be case by case.  Up here they are closing the public parks and parking lots, but the beaches are still open...for now anyway.  For those that have houses on the beach, it's going to be virtually impossible to keep everyone off the beach, though I'm not 100% sure why that'd be the goal.  We have some areas/counties that don't even have a reported case yet and the CDC is recommending people be outside in the sun getting fresh air (but be responsible and keep your distance while you're doing it).  Those that live on the beach, that's where they'd go to do that.

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The bros will be the death of us all. 

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12 minutes ago, The Commish said:

First case recorded up near The Villages :mellow: 

Yes but fortunately for those folks the virus can’t be transmitted sexually :pickle:

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58 minutes ago, zftcg said:

Yes but fortunately for those folks the virus can’t be transmitted sexually :pickle:

:lmao: 

I have a couple remarks in mind that would absolutely get me banned :help:  

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1 hour ago, The Commish said:

First case recorded up near The Villages :mellow: 

Not good. God’s waiting room is not a place you want an outbreak. 

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3 minutes ago, The Commish said:

:lmao: 

I have a couple remarks in mind that would absolutely get me banned :help:  

At first I thought maybe I should explain the joke so that some nitpicker didn't come along and Well Actually me about virus transmission. 

Then I realized any explanations would only make it more likely that I'd get banned. Sometimes it's a good idea to let people fill in the blanks on their own.

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4 minutes ago, Osaurus said:

Not good. God’s waiting room is not a place you want an outbreak. 

All kidding aside, this is absolutely true. And not trying to be political about this, but the fact that that place is filled with Trump-loving, Fox News-watching oldsters who might be inclined to minimize the threat makes me even more nervous. It could absolutely become Ground Zero for the outbreak.

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11 minutes ago, zftcg said:
19 minutes ago, Osaurus said:

Not good. God’s waiting room is not a place you want an outbreak. 

All kidding aside, this is absolutely true. And not trying to be political about this, but the fact that that place is filled with Trump-loving, Fox News-watching oldsters who might be inclined to minimize the threat makes me even more nervous. It could absolutely become Ground Zero for the outbreak.

:goodposting: by both of you....much nicer than me.  I was up there to see a friend of my parents and check on her and it might as well be national headquarters for his campaign.  Propaganda everywhere.  Like stepping into an alternate universe.

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13 hours ago, zftcg said:

Absolutely infuriating. I’ve been pleasantly surprised by DeSantis over his first year in office, but he screwed this spring break thing up badly. 

I talked about this briefly in the virus thread.  I think the "Spring Breaking" part of this whole thing should have been absolutely shut down.  I do NOT think the beaches should be closed completely as many, many, many people live right on those beaches and shutting them down is essentially telling them to stay in their houses and don't come out.  CDC has made it clear it is necessary to get out in the fresh air and sunshine.  In my mind, there is a line there that can be seen, but it's a really fine line.

For example, up here, they haven't shut down the beaches but they have closed all the public parks and parking areas.  That seems reasonable to me.  We were over at NSB Friday (not to go to the beach), but those changes made a significant difference in population on the beaches.  They weren't nearly as crowded and it looked easy enough to keep the "social distancing" suggestions.

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Miami Beach issues stay-at-home order, other cities expected to quickly follow suit

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The City of Miami Beach is ordering its residents to stay at home to prevent the further spread of coronavirus, starting Tuesday.

As many as nine other municipalities in North Dade are expected to enact similar orders soon.

The Miami Beach order, which was drafted Monday after discussions among elected officials, instructs members of the public to remain in their homes except to go to work, exercise outdoors, seek medical or veterinary care, provide care to family members, shop for groceries and pet supplies, or abide by law enforcement or court orders, according to a copy of the order obtained by the Miami Herald.

My town is listed among those likely to impose this order soon. I'm assuming this means our babysitter will no longer be able to come help us (she lives a couple towns over). I completely understand the reasons and will absolutely abide by this order if it happens ... but selfishly, I really hope it's not that strict.

Meanwhile, it's interesting to see municipalities moving forward on this while Gov. DeSantis refuses to invoke anything close to that statewide. Maybe that makes sense. Maybe it's less of an issue in more spread-out rural areas. I honestly have no idea.

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49 minutes ago, zftcg said:

Miami Beach issues stay-at-home order, other cities expected to quickly follow suit

My town is listed among those likely to impose this order soon. I'm assuming this means our babysitter will no longer be able to come help us (she lives a couple towns over). I completely understand the reasons and will absolutely abide by this order if it happens ... but selfishly, I really hope it's not that strict.

Meanwhile, it's interesting to see municipalities moving forward on this while Gov. DeSantis refuses to invoke anything close to that statewide. Maybe that makes sense. Maybe it's less of an issue in more spread-out rural areas. I honestly have no idea.

I doubt if the police would stop your baby sitter going to work. But, I have seen more police cars in the streets of Miami Beach the last few days and i think one was eyeing me for a minute as I crossed 41st street yesterday.  They don't need to respond to incidents, as bars and clubs and Ocean Drive are shut down. 

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My backyard is directly abutted to the State Withlacoochee Rails to Trails Bike Path. It is considered a state park and was officially closed today. A 10 foot wide paved 46 mile long trail that runs through the woods, along lakes and rivers and full of nature. It WAS a great getaway from people. Have yet to see any riders or walkers today, it's very weird.

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16 hours ago, SoBeDad said:

I doubt if the police would stop your baby sitter going to work. But, I have seen more police cars in the streets of Miami Beach the last few days and i think one was eyeing me for a minute as I crossed 41st street yesterday.  They don't need to respond to incidents, as bars and clubs and Ocean Drive are shut down. 

The town issued the order last night and it's relatively mild. "Strongly encourage" us to stay inside, etc. Babysitter should be fine. But in case things get stricter, we're in the process of setting up documentation from medical specialists to say that we need caregivers for my son, who is on the autism spectrum.

Meanwhile, looked out the window this morning and saw three guys working on a construction project in the building next door. No masks, no gloves, no distancing. I took a pic and sent it to my friend on the town council. I want the guys to be able to do their jobs, but their employer should be required to take basic steps to protect their health and ours.

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Just in the short time I've been here, I am accustomed to watching the car carriers taking cars back north in the late spring/early summer and coming back fall/winter.  I'm seeing a lot more coming south these days.  I had a convoy of them in front of me yesterday.  It got me wondering why just the airlines?  What about those coming in droves via car?

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27 minutes ago, zftcg said:

The town issued the order last night and it's relatively mild. "Strongly encourage" us to stay inside, etc. Babysitter should be fine. But in case things get stricter, we're in the process of setting up documentation from medical specialists to say that we need caregivers for my son, who is on the autism spectrum.

Meanwhile, looked out the window this morning and saw three guys working on a construction project in the building next door. No masks, no gloves, no distancing. I took a pic and sent it to my friend on the town council. I want the guys to be able to do their jobs, but their employer should be required to take basic steps to protect their health and ours.

They shouldn’t be wearing masks anyway.  Those masks should be going to the hospitals.

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41 minutes ago, jonessed said:

They shouldn’t be wearing masks anyway.  Those masks should be going to the hospitals.

If you're forcing me to work that closely with others knowing that this is easily transmitted by people who don't even know they have it, I'm wearing a mask even if I have to buy it myself.

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2 minutes ago, The Commish said:

If you're forcing me to work that closely with others knowing that this is easily transmitted by people who don't even know they have it, I'm wearing a mask even if I have to buy it myself.

They were forced?  By whom?

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15 minutes ago, jonessed said:

They were forced?  By whom?

And I ALMOST caveated my post above with "not interested in the, 'they don't HAVE to come to work' shtick" knowing of course that if they don't they'll most likely be fired. Should have trusted my gut :kicksrock: 

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7 minutes ago, The Commish said:

And I ALMOST caveated my post above with "not interested in the, 'they don't HAVE to come to work' shtick" knowing of course that if they don't they'll most likely be fired. Should have trusted my gut :kicksrock: 

Probably.  We have no idea who they work for or the circumstances of their employment.  They could easily be independent contractors given the size of the job.

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1 hour ago, jonessed said:

Probably.  We have no idea who they work for or the circumstances of their employment.  They could easily be independent contractors given the size of the job.

Not to generalize, but they did not strike me as the type of people who had a lot of "market power", knowhumsayin'?

I don't know whether they should have had masks. I don't know who they were working for, or what they were working on (the handyman in my building said he thought it may be the elevator; if true, that certainly seems like something that may be important enough that it needs to get done.) And ultimately, it doesn't really matter. The situation I observed was unsafe given present circumstances, and I reported it to the town. I hope that they will handle it in a way that maximizes public safety. If it's true that the job is essential, their employer should be able to structure it in a way that mitigates risk, which they didn't seem to be doing.

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Have you guys been following this story about Kinsa, the smart thermometer company? Saw the CEO being interviewed on Maddow last night. It's not clear how accurate their data is in predicting COVID outbreaks, but what data they do have seems to indicate that Florida may be about to become the new epicenter (check out the heat maps of the US near the bottom of the article I linked to above). Scary stuff, and I really hope it's not accurate.

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49 minutes ago, zftcg said:

Have you guys been following this story about Kinsa, the smart thermometer company? Saw the CEO being interviewed on Maddow last night. It's not clear how accurate their data is in predicting COVID outbreaks, but what data they do have seems to indicate that Florida may be about to become the new epicenter (check out the heat maps of the US near the bottom of the article I linked to above). Scary stuff, and I really hope it's not accurate.

This wouldn't surprise me at all.  We are living in the petri dishes of the states.  People come from all over the world to this one tiny location (comparatively) more consistently than any other location in this country sans NY and CA.  The difference in Florida is the turnaround...people are here a week or two at a time, then an entirely different group of people replace them.

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I saw a tweet earlier alluding to a court win for the voting restoration folks. Could someone who knows a little more flesh this out?

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14 hours ago, zftcg said:

Glad DeSantis finally ordered the stay-in-place directive , but man does his deference to Trump make him look weak

Yeah...I didn't understand that at all.  It's not like the local municipalities hadn't already taken lead on this.  Florida keeps coming up in the CV thread.  He's gotten some things right and some wrong (as we'd expect from anyone in that position), but it does seem like he's focused on testing, reducing exposure from outside the state and making sure internal hotspots are equipped to handle what's about to hit.  It kinda sucks when you see the train barreling down the tracks and there's nothing you can do about it by the time you see it.  I think his two biggest missteps thus far are not shutting down spring break and allowing churches to be "essential".  It's all well and good to keep outside infection but if you aren't doing it internally too, you're missing a large method of spread.  I don't understand either of those decisions.

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Not sure what they expected, denying unemployment benefits was a feature, not a bug. I feel badly for the folks who are losing their businesses and 401ks.

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/04/03/its-a-sh-sandwich-republicans-rage-as-florida-becomes-a-nightmare-for-trump-1271172

“It’s a sh-- sandwich, and it was designed that way by Scott,” said one DeSantis advisor. “It wasn’t about saving money. It was about making it harder for people to get benefits or keep benefits so that the unemployment numbers were low to give the governor something to brag about.”

Already anxious about Trump’s chances in the nation’s biggest swing state, Republicans now are dealing with thousands of unemployed workers unable to navigate the Florida system to apply for help. And the blowback is directed straight at Trump’s top allies in the state, Gov. Ron DeSantis and Sen. Rick Scott.

Privately, Republicans admit that the $77.9 million system that is now failing Florida workers is doing exactly what Scott designed it to do — lower the state’s reported number of jobless claims after the great recession.

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22 hours ago, JamieMurphy said:

Not sure what they expected, denying unemployment benefits was a feature, not a bug. I feel badly for the folks who are losing their businesses and 401ks.

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/04/03/its-a-sh-sandwich-republicans-rage-as-florida-becomes-a-nightmare-for-trump-1271172

“It’s a sh-- sandwich, and it was designed that way by Scott,” said one DeSantis advisor. “It wasn’t about saving money. It was about making it harder for people to get benefits or keep benefits so that the unemployment numbers were low to give the governor something to brag about.”

Already anxious about Trump’s chances in the nation’s biggest swing state, Republicans now are dealing with thousands of unemployed workers unable to navigate the Florida system to apply for help. And the blowback is directed straight at Trump’s top allies in the state, Gov. Ron DeSantis and Sen. Rick Scott.

Privately, Republicans admit that the $77.9 million system that is now failing Florida workers is doing exactly what Scott designed it to do — lower the state’s reported number of jobless claims after the great recession.

How much do you think this could hurt Trump in November? If he doesn't win Florida, he's toast.

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30 minutes ago, roadkill1292 said:

How much do you think this could hurt Trump in November? If he doesn't win Florida, he's toast.

Before all this I would have said that Florida is slightly to the right of being a tipping state, and if Trump loses here it would mean he’s already in trouble elsewhere. But could DeSantis’ issues have a disproportionate effect on Trump? Possibly because they’re so joined at the hip. But I still have trouble envisioning a scenario where Trump loses PA/MI, wins WI, but loses the election because of Florida. 

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35 minutes ago, roadkill1292 said:

How much do you think this could hurt Trump in November? If he doesn't win Florida, he's toast.

Honestly, the GOP could face a bloodbath in the presidential and Senate. Just depends on how the next six months go. If the deaths are under 100k, school resumes in August, and businesses open up they could survive this politically. If people lose everything (jobs, businesses, homes) and we get a second wave that shuts down school I can't imagine it being good. For anyone, but a death knell for Rs.

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23 hours ago, JamieMurphy said:

Not sure what they expected, denying unemployment benefits was a feature, not a bug. I feel badly for the folks who are losing their businesses and 401ks.

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/04/03/its-a-sh-sandwich-republicans-rage-as-florida-becomes-a-nightmare-for-trump-1271172

“It’s a sh-- sandwich, and it was designed that way by Scott,” said one DeSantis advisor. “It wasn’t about saving money. It was about making it harder for people to get benefits or keep benefits so that the unemployment numbers were low to give the governor something to brag about.”

Already anxious about Trump’s chances in the nation’s biggest swing state, Republicans now are dealing with thousands of unemployed workers unable to navigate the Florida system to apply for help. And the blowback is directed straight at Trump’s top allies in the state, Gov. Ron DeSantis and Sen. Rick Scott.

Privately, Republicans admit that the $77.9 million system that is now failing Florida workers is doing exactly what Scott designed it to do — lower the state’s reported number of jobless claims after the great recession.

DeSantis and Scott are slammed by the Miami Editorial Board: Florida calls it an ‘unemployment website.’ Jobless Floridians call it a hot mess. Fix it! | Editorial

DeSantis gets some credit for a 45 moratorium on evictions and temporarily  eliminating the requirement that applicants must be looking for a hob. And waiving the 1 week waiting period to receive a check.

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7 minutes ago, SoBeDad said:

DeSantis and Scott are slammed by the Miami Editorial Board: Florida calls it an ‘unemployment website.’ Jobless Floridians call it a hot mess. Fix it! | Editorial

DeSantis gets some credit for a 45 moratorium on evictions and temporarily  eliminating the requirement that applicants must be looking for a hob. And waiving the 1 week waiting period to receive a check.

Great article.

Hoping that those who are in need get help...and remember what it was like to be put in this situation and have some sympathy for the downtrodden when things get better.

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9 minutes ago, SoBeDad said:

DeSantis and Scott are slammed by the Miami Editorial Board: Florida calls it an ‘unemployment website.’ Jobless Floridians call it a hot mess. Fix it! | Editorial

DeSantis gets some credit for a 45 moratorium on evictions and temporarily  eliminating the requirement that applicants must be looking for a hob. And waiving the 1 week waiting period to receive a check.

Great article.

Hoping that those who are in need get help...and remember what it was like to be put in this situation and have some sympathy for the downtrodden when things get better.

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