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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (16 Viewers)
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idiots. If I was in that line, I would yell out, 'I hear they are running out of gas at all the gas stations'.
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CurlyNight
Footballguy
For now.-fish- said:
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
Don't know if anyone answered this already. If not, listen to your doctor. Inhaled steroids have a localized effect, rather than systemic, meaning it will help reduce inflammation in your lungs, without the whole body reaction of lowering your immune response.
Doug B
Footballguy
We’re going through our “no hand sanitizer anywhere!” phase right now. Had plenty 10 days ago, a mild run last weekend, and a total cleanout in the muddle of this week.
For the most part, TP and bottled water at local groceries are still normally stocked or close to it. I’ve heard our local Sams and Costcos are cleaned out of most or all “Coronavirus items’, though.
CurlyNight
Footballguy
Smaller places that people may not have thought about yet may have cv supplies.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
What is this, little house on the prairie? I just started a new playthrough of DOOM for some demon-killing goodness.The Z Machine said:
culdeus
Footballguy
Penguin
Footballguy
I had to fill a script at CVS on Thursday and they were loaded with hand sanitizer, rubbing alcohol etc yet the Shoprite across the street didn't have a single bottle
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
That sounds more reasonable.
There is no level of fever which indicates CV. Fever is a variable dependent on many factors. The febrile response tends to be higher in viral than bacterial infections (but not always), among younger people with intact immune systems and for reasons other than infection.
Regardless, 104 is a really high temp. It’s the cut-off where heat stroke typically occurs in adults. I can’t imagine ever using that cut-off as the threshold for action.
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CurlyNight
Footballguy
I'm laughing as i write 'true'. Not laughing at your post. Laughing at the fact that we have hit the point where this post is now valid out in it's panic time USA.
'Let's drive to the next town to the south, maybe they haven't been hit yet.!!! 'Yeah!!!!'
Doug B
Footballguy
At least for hand sanitizer, I’ll probably have to wait until enough early-birds have stocked up and give supplies a chance to catch back up with demand. I can’t spend hours looking through dozens of places. Calling around doesn’t help - person typically says “no” right away or has no idea.
Doug B
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
It's funny that some people almost seem to WANT the power and utilities to go out. Back to olden days and we're ready for it!
Doug B
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
So am I right in understanding that the cooler heads seem to believe all of the following:
- The risk here isn't so much about the virus itself -- we'll all very likely be just fine even if we contract it
- The risk is overwhelming the healthcare system because it won't be able to support such a large influx of patients
- The other risk is just the impact on convenience -- it may be hard to get some supplies and stuff if supply chains become affected -- and other risks associated with the supply chains (affects on the stock market and the like)
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- The risk here isn't so much about the virus itself -- we'll all very likely be just fine even if we contract it
- The risk is overwhelming the healthcare system because it won't be able to support such a large influx of patients
- The other risk is just the impact on convenience -- it may be hard to get some supplies and stuff if supply chains become affected -- and other risks associated with the supply chains (affects on the stock market and the like)
?
Doug B
Footballguy
Ours have been closing at an alarming clip last decade or so. There was one a few blocks from our house that closed last month and is turning into a CVS.
culdeus
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So the NBA has sent a memo telling teams to prepare to play in empty arenas. Lebron says he won’t play if there are no fans ....
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
I’ll add two because I agree that I’m resigned to eventually getting this thing and it really doesn’t freak me out all that much:
- Worry for parents and other older friends
- Bad actors who at a minimum downplay it and ignorantly spread it, and at worst actively try to spread it for the lulz and causing general chaos.
Doug B
Footballguy
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
There is an agreed upon definition of fever, though not all docs adhere to it: a single (oral) temperature of 101, sustained temp of 100.4 for greater than 1 hour, or two measurements > 6 hours apart. Low and high grade are not medical designations.
You’re right that the threshold for treatment varies according to the patient and the doctor. There is a tendency to err on the side of caution in elderly and individuals with immune compromise. Those groups tend to receive antibiotics and be hospitalized more often, sometimes without regard to the potential for harm caused by unnecessary prescriptions and hospital stays. In general, more contemporary practice supports less hospitalization and antibiotic use than in the past, as data accumulates suggesting we’ve been overdoing it to the detriment of patients and healthcare cost.
CurlyNight
Footballguy
Yes. We have small compound pharmicies here that have this stuff. They are located in the middle of medical offices/supply stores centers. I never notice them but have now..
Doug B
Footballguy
True, but I would think without names, HIPAA laws are essentially satisfied.
That said, I know that there are certain media-sensitive events within which HIPAA laws are unevenly followed/enforced.
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Terminalxylem
Footballguy
It’s only a matter of time before somebody overdoses on one of the nutraceuticals/supplements without a shred of evidence to support their use (I.e. just about all of them).
skol asylum
Footballguy
Does LeBron understand that there is a thing called television where just a few more fans than can fill an arena can watch?
skol asylum
Footballguy
skol asylum
Footballguy
Are there any vitamins or supplements that you think are prudent to take to strengthen the immune system?
Edit: assume the patient eats a crappy diet low on fruits and vegetables.
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skol asylum
Footballguy
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
No. There is a whole list of sensitive info which cannot be disclosed to remain HIPAA compliant. Summarized here
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
i have done all I can to get my family ready for what might be coming, but the one weak link in my plan was every other weekend I take my 85 year old mom shopping at Walmart. She doesn't drive and so she looks forward to this excursion. I, on the other hand, dreaded today. We get to the store and there is literal zombie apocalypse level shopping going on--which I sort of chuckled at as it was a stark contrast to the girls scouts out front cheerfully peddling their thin mints. Wall to wall people--cleaning supplies, tp, hand sanitizer, water, everything gone. I mean shelves completely empty. I found an end cap with three small packages of Charmin and I told my mom she better get whatever she can at this point. There oddly enough was a huge display of gloves as you entered that was still pretty well stocked--so a plus.
I swear, every cough and sneeze kind of created a mini-panic attack in me. All I could think of was how bad I wanted out of there and of course, my face was itching like there was no tomorrow. My mind was irrationally saying, "Wonder if you have a booger hanging from your nose--better check." We get to the checkouts and they have six open and it is 10 people deep at each one. At this point there are 75 people all standing within 10 yards of me and I am about to lose it. I watched my mom pay in cash and the cashier was out of tens, so my mom ended up with 14 one dollar bills in change. I couldn't help but wonder how many germs were on that stack she put in her purse.
Needless to say we had a long talk when we got her home and I convinced her that we will on-line shop from Walmart and I will pick it up for the next sixty days to start. She doesn't need to be out in this mess and I sure as heck don't either,
Things are really starting to set in and it is scary.
I swear, every cough and sneeze kind of created a mini-panic attack in me. All I could think of was how bad I wanted out of there and of course, my face was itching like there was no tomorrow. My mind was irrationally saying, "Wonder if you have a booger hanging from your nose--better check." We get to the checkouts and they have six open and it is 10 people deep at each one. At this point there are 75 people all standing within 10 yards of me and I am about to lose it. I watched my mom pay in cash and the cashier was out of tens, so my mom ended up with 14 one dollar bills in change. I couldn't help but wonder how many germs were on that stack she put in her purse.
Needless to say we had a long talk when we got her home and I convinced her that we will on-line shop from Walmart and I will pick it up for the next sixty days to start. She doesn't need to be out in this mess and I sure as heck don't either,
Things are really starting to set in and it is scary.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
This is what you get when you don’t test people and the only real advice people get is to walk into the hospital.
shader
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Italy now quarantining major cities.
Sorry, forgot link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/italy-set-to
Sorry, forgot link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/italy-set-to
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TripItUp
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
skol asylum
Footballguy
TripItUp
Footballguy
skol asylum
Footballguy
To be clear I don't think anyone is blowing it out of proportion, but that would be a good reason to do so. You don't want complacency.
TripItUp
Footballguy
yeah, I guess I just don't understand the "blowing out of proportion" crowd's argument.
shader
Footballguy
1. That's the viewpoint of a certain government figurehead that shall remain nameless.
2. Shady has done this a lot lately. He jumps into the thread, makes comments about how this is like the flu, and doesn't listen to anyone when they try to explain why it's not.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
“Strengthening” the immune system is such a vague premise, which sounds good but has no standard definition. Kinda like reducing stress.
There’s hardly any evidence from well designed studies supporting any supplement. IIRC, Vitamin C given to military recruits during basic training reduced the risk of upper respiratory tract infections. There was a vitamin D paper linked in this thread that suggested it was beneficial as well, but primarily in those who were D deficient.
In any event, there are issues with finding the right formulation/absorption, etc. that make recommending any supplement problematic. Even multivitamins haven’t shown convincing benefit. I’d spend your money instead on a better diet rich in fruits and veggies, as the ancillary health benefits will go far beyond the COVID outbreak.
