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The price per Hippogram has gone thru the roof

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3 hours ago, -fish- said:

Hippo wasn't even a top 10 pick in the Deadly Animal Draft.   O ver RATE ed

I doubt anyone cited the data on “they kill on average 5,000 people a year in Africa alone.”

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20 hours ago, Random said:

I'm no expert, but viruses kill much differently than hippos.  You can't wait until 2% of the population is dead to react.

What if it’s not a virus but it’s microscopic hippos we are dealing with here.

Drafting those first in the 2020 Deadly Animal Draft.

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8 hours ago, bradyfan said:

“Everyone on board the Diamond Princess had received initial health screening, Kato said, a process that identified 273 people for testing. Of that smaller group, 31 results had been received so far, revealing the 10 confirmed cases.”

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The 10 infected are 2 Australians, 3 Japanese, 3 passengers from Hong Kong, 1 from the US in addition to 1 Filipino crew member.

2,666 guests and 1,045 staff members are quarantined aboard the ship for 14 days.  428 of them are American.

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7 hours ago, Otis said:

I doubt anyone cited the data on “they kill on average 5,000 people a year in Africa alone.”

Three businessmen contract coronavirus after business conference in Singapore Grand Hyatt Hotel.

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1 hour ago, bagger said:

What if it’s not a virus but it’s microscopic hippos we are dealing with here.

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This would explain the incredibly fast spread. If you put a hippo and a virus on the start line, Hippo would reach the finish line way way faster. 

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Any good news?

When might we expect to see numbers start to decline?

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39 minutes ago, bradyfan said:

 

2,666 guests and 1,045 staff members

folks can say what they want about cruises sucking balls, and i tend to agree ... but that customer to staff ratio is fabulous :shrug:

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49 minutes ago, bradyfan said:

The 10 infected are 2 Australians, 3 Japanese, 3 passengers from Hong Kong, 1 from the US in addition to 1 Filipino crew member.

2,666 guests and 1,045 staff members are quarantined aboard the ship for 14 days.  428 of them are American.

This is my worst nightmare on a cruise ship, I truly feel for those folks

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14 minutes ago, jamny said:

Any good news?

When might we expect to see numbers start to decline?

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
 

I’ve been following the link above, with numbers compiled by several sources including CDC and WHO. Going by that, the rate seems to have slowed from the 25% per day, and rate remains stagnant is other countries. On the surface, this is encouraging. Except, can’t trust the numbers out of China, we’re within the incubation period in the other countries, and testing isn’t wide or fast enough to quickly identify new cases.  But on the surface, things seem to be plateauing.

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6 minutes ago, Mr. Ham said:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
 

I’ve been following the link above, with numbers compiled by several sources including CDC and WHO. Going by that, the rate seems to have slowed from the 25% per day, and rate remains stagnant is other countries. On the surface, this is encouraging. Except, can’t trust the numbers out of China, we’re within the incubation period in the other countries, and testing isn’t wide or fast enough to quickly identify new cases.  But on the surface, things seem to be plateauing.

Yeah, I check that site every day. I guess the lower % increase is good if it is to be believed. Just wondering if there is a date range when it could be expected that numbers actually start to go down?

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42 minutes ago, jamny said:

Any good news?

When might we expect to see numbers start to decline?

Good news: Hippos kill average 500+ people per year, not 5000+.

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It is too bad DeForest Kelley has passed on.  "Bones" always came up with vaccines for incurable diseases in the span of a 60-minute TV show

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9 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

It is too bad DeForest Kelley has passed on.  "Bones" always came up with vaccines for incurable diseases in the span of a 60-minute TV show

this guy only had 30 minutes ...

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32 minutes ago, bradyfan said:

Good news: Hippos kill average 500+ people per year, not 5000+.

My whole life is a lie. 

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In sad news, 3525 hippos contracted the Coronavirus yesterday. 

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1 hour ago, otb_lifer said:

folks can say what they want about cruises sucking balls, and i tend to agree ... but that customer to staff ratio is fabulous :shrug:

I was hugely anti Cruise but got dragged on one with the folks for their 70th bday. Can't say no. 

Celebrity Equinox: 2850 passengers / 1250 staff. 
It was badass. Beautiful Ship. Waited on hand and foot. Each night at dinner had Head Waiter, 2 assistant waiters, sommelier, and a cocktail waitress. Same staff all trip. Cabin steward was ridiculous. Somehow knew when we were gone (barely saw him) but every time we left and came back the place was spotless with everything folded and stacked neatly. Bartenders around the ship knew your name by day 2. Zero kids on the ship. Food was surprisingly very good (and I'm a food snob). 

Probably sucks miserably on lines like Carnival with Cousin Eddies and screaming kids everywhere while eating Bob Evans caliber chow. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Capella said:

In sad news, 3525 hippos contracted the Coronavirus yesterday. 

If they're running around killing 5000 africans yearly, isn't this GOOD news?! 

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1 hour ago, otb_lifer said:

folks can say what they want about cruises sucking balls, and i tend to agree ... but that customer to staff ratio is fabulous :shrug:

I love cruising. It’s not exclusively how we vacation but it’s nice to mix it in to have relatively low stress on planning/traveling/etc. Hard to beat docking in places like the BVI and waking up and seeing those views too. 

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13 minutes ago, Capella said:

In sad news, 3525 hippos contracted the Coronavirus yesterday. 

First I find out that you need to use extra protection with koala bears and now you can’t even makeout with a hippo without coming down with something. What a world.

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40 minutes ago, [icon] said:

I was hugely anti Cruise but got dragged on one with the folks for their 70th bday. Can't say no. 

Celebrity Equinox: 2850 passengers / 1250 staff. 
It was badass. Beautiful Ship. Waited on hand and foot. Each night at dinner had Head Waiter, 2 assistant waiters, sommelier, and a cocktail waitress. Same staff all trip. Cabin steward was ridiculous. Somehow knew when we were gone (barely saw him) but every time we left and came back the place was spotless with everything folded and stacked neatly. Bartenders around the ship knew your name by day 2. Zero kids on the ship. Food was surprisingly very good (and I'm a food snob). 

Probably sucks miserably on lines like Carnival with Cousin Eddies and screaming kids everywhere while eating Bob Evans caliber chow. 

 

We mix in a cruise a year for the kids.  Nice relatively cheap way to get to the Caribbean/Mexico in late December.  We've done Disney, Carnival, and RC.  This year we went with another family.  Everyone had a great time except 1.  She spent most of the cruise in her room, then said she didn't enjoy it because there wasn't anything to do. 

I honestly think people that don't enjoy cruises just dont want to enjoy cruises. 

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Tencent May Have Accidentally Leaked Real Infection & Death Numbers

 

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — As many experts question the veracity of China's statistics for the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak, Tencent over the weekend seems to have inadvertently released what is potentially the actual number of infections and deaths, which were astronomically higher than official figures.

On late Saturday evening (Feb. 1), Tencent, on its webpage titled "Epidemic Situation Tracker", showed confirmed cases of novel coronavirus (2019nCoV) in China as standing at 154,023, 10 times the official figure at the time. It listed the number of suspected cases as 79,808, four times the official figure.

The number of cured cases was only 269, well below the official number that day of 300. Most ominously, the death toll listed was 24,589, vastly higher than the 300 officially listed that day.

Moments later, Tencent updated the numbers to reflect the government's "official" numbers that day. Netizens noticed that Tencent has on at least three occasions posted extremely high numbers, only to quickly lower them to government-approved statistics.

 

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EDIT: PROBABLY FAKE, but a fun read anyhow

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Last posts :shock:

 

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3 minutes ago, tkrull said:

Are we seriously getting our news from The Daily Star now?

Still more reliable than the Chinese government.

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I never did see the sun when I was in Wuhan.  It wasn't like that, but it was pretty close.  

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1 minute ago, joffer said:

or just...you know.....smog

Agreed. Just passing along what I’ve seen.
 

Never been there so :shrug:

 

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1 minute ago, fissure man said:

Agreed. Just passing along what I’ve seen.
 

Never been there so :shrug:

 

i was stuck in my hotel for two days in Beijing a few years back.

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Most disturbing info from above is if those tencent numbers are accurate. >16% mortality rate.

Nothing solid to indicate they are true, other than they seem far more plausible given what’s been released given the massive containment response. 

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54 minutes ago, Jobber said:

I just got back from a trade show in Orlando that typically has a very large Asian presence. This year about 50-60% of the Chinese booths were empty because of various travel regulations. We have a very close relationship with a Korean company and I was discussing the virus with them. Virtually everyone there has no faith in the numbers China is reporting and actually the numbers sited in this article feel like much closer to reality than what they are telling the world.

Oddly enough the first reported case in South Korea was reported yesterday. The adopted travel restrictions early but they also have a very large Chinese population in the Seoul/Incheon area as well as being fairly close, would have thought they would have had some one fall ill by now.

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1 hour ago, Jobber said:

Tencent May Have Accidentally Leaked Real Infection & Death Numbers

EDIT: PROBABLY FAKE, but a fun read anyhow


Yeah. While I don't believe the official numbers at all, I also find it hard to believe the real death numbers are THAT bad already. Infection... probably. 

A 16% kill rate on a virus that has hardly killed anyone outside of China would be tough to explain. Granted, quality of care is different, how long they've been infected is way different, etc.... but still. 

 

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58 minutes ago, fissure man said:

Shady source... plus I think those photos are badly 'shopped.

The images of the crematorium are grabs from a video that's readily available online, and they are way smokier than what I recall in the video. Likely edited as well. 

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7 minutes ago, Capella said:

Death Smog is a pretty metal band name 

Even better: Death Smog for Wuhan

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Ham said:

Even better: Death Smog for Wuhan

That’s the name for my competition air guitar band.  We’re brave enough to tackle Dio and Van Halen

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https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/02/05/news/coronavirus_ore_difficili_per_la_coppia_di_cinesi_ricoverata_allo_spallanzani-247642636/
 

Use Chrome translate from Italian. Chinese couple in mid sixties spent a week in a hospital in Rome, then both took a sudden turn for the worse and are in respiratory crisis, even after receiving the experimental drugs WHO considers most promising. Might be part of the normal course of the virus. Couple arrived in Rome symptomatic, so respiratory crisis seems to be about 10 days after showing symptoms. 

Small sample size, but a data point.

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1 minute ago, Smack Tripper said:

aren't the factories closed and on lock down?  Whats making the smoke?

This was covered over on reddit several days ago, this is agricultural practice of burning excess dead heads and things.  It was present before the virus was even reported.

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1 hour ago, Mr. Ham said:

Most disturbing info from above is if those tencent numbers are accurate. >16% mortality rate.

Nothing solid to indicate they are true, other than they seem far more plausible given what’s been released given the massive containment response. 

Exported cases aren't showing anything close to that.

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What is realistic next stage panic level?

I'm assuming people dropping dead in the US is going to move the panic needle.

 

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10 minutes ago, culdeus said:

What is realistic next stage panic level?

I'm assuming people dropping dead in the US is going to move the panic needle.


Yeah IMO things that will start freaking people out: 

1) Someone in their town tests positive, or for those in bigger cities: multiple people. 

2) A cluster of infected breaks out due to a tainted restaurant, event, flight etc. 

3) Multiple people start dying anywhere in the country. 

IMO at that point you'll start seeing the beginnings of the run on canned goods, bottled water, etc.

Masks are already pretty hard to find but whatever is left will start to get bought up. 

Likely an increase in xenophobia toward Asians. 


Then, when the media starts reporting that there Is a run on supplies, that will exacerbate the run on supplies. 
 

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