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15 minutes ago, Doug B said:

I saw it as well. Will be able to dig for it later today. A Google News search for relevant terms should bring up some articles about it.

Great. Strangely enough, my internet is painfully slow, with frequent crashes. Except for this site. Musta caught a virus somewhere.¬†ūüėĪ

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51 minutes ago, [icon] said:

Thighs are independent of the drumstick and are, without a doubt, the most tender and flavorful part of the chicken. There is the added bonus that they're also the cheapest. 
 

I LOVE bone in, skin on thighs. Smoke initially then finish over high heat to crisp the skin. So so good. Pull the skin taught and use a toothpick thru skin, under the bone on backside and thru skin on other side to keep them taught/firm.
 

Once cooked pull out the pick and it eats like an extra meaty, extra tasty/tender drumstick. 

 

I smoke them and then finish skin down in some butter in the cast iron to crisp up. Mm mmmm good. 

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1 minute ago, Capella said:

I smoke them and then finish skin down in some butter in the cast iron to crisp up. Mm mmmm good. 

May try that ūüĎć

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41 minutes ago, Terminalxylem said:

After a quick perusal of your posts in this thread, I can’t find anything supporting COVID-19 corrects genetic mutations, but I’m open to info suggesting otherwise.

Like I said It was a while back and something I had read in passing. But since you seem incapable of using Google... 

Not saying these are the specific links I read but it's what comes up with 23 seconds of effort and a rudimentary knowledge of how to use Google: 

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But coronaviruses have proofreading enzymes that make them more stable than other RNA viruses, says Mark Denison, a pediatric infectious disease specialist and coronavirologist at Vanderbilt University in Nashville. ‚ÄúThey are certainly capable of change,‚ÄĚ he says. ‚ÄúBut in general once they‚Äôve established a virus that works well, they stabilize that.‚ÄĚ Additional changes are more likely to have no effect or to be detrimental to the virus‚Äôs success.

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There is no indication that this virus is becoming more dangerous, or changing much at all

LINK

 

:) 

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, cashman88 said:

The ‚Äúhot button‚ÄĚ is when people see China keep ~50 cities and half a billion people on lockdown. ¬†People‚Äôs survival instinct tells them, ‚ÄúWhen a mountain bear is chasing after you, you don‚Äôt have to outrun the bear. You only have to outrun the guy running next to you.‚ÄĚ ¬†The question is why is China ‚Äúoverreacting‚ÄĚ when it‚Äôs a nothing-burger?

Total flu deaths in US, population 329.45 million: 
61,000 in 2017 - 2018 season (estimated) 
38,000 in 2016 - 2017 season 
23,000 in 2015 - 2016 season

Total official flu deaths in China, population 1.435 billion: 
144 in 2018 
  56 in 2017 
  41 in 2016

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46 minutes ago, Terminalxylem said:

After a quick perusal of your posts in this thread, I can’t find anything supporting COVID-19 corrects genetic mutations, but I’m open to info suggesting otherwise.

My memory of it -- which I want to double-check -- is not that the error-correction mechanism prevents mutation altogether. Rather, any individual mutation is simply made less likely, less chaotic.

...

There was a theory hypothesis put out fairly early on that:

a) the very early December 2019 cases in Wuhan were of a new zoonotic** mutation that was especially virulent but spread poorly due to quick infirmity of the humans infected. Then ...

b) that there was another mutation afterwards (~early January) that throttled back the pathologies, and "lived" to spread more efficeiently.

The theory hypothesis posits that the second, less serious strain is the one still spreading now. Not sure if this has been confirmed or not -- or even if it's something still being studied.

** originating in animals, theorized currently to be bat via pangolin.

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changed "theory" to "hypothesis"

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4 minutes ago, Doug B said:

My memory of it -- which I want to double-check -- is not that the error-correction mechanism prevents mutation altogether. Rather, any individual mutation is simply made less likely, less chaotic.

...

There was a theory put out fairly early on that:

a) the very early December 2019 cases in Wuhan were of a new zoonotic** mutation that was especially virulent but spread poorly due to quick infirmity of the humans infected. Then ...

b) that there was another mutation afterwards (~early January) that throttled back the pathologies, and "lived" to spread more efficeiently.

The theory posits that the second, less serious strain is the one still spreading now. Not sure if this has been confirmed or not -- or even if it's something still being studied.
 

** originating in animals, theorized currently to be bat via pangolin.

Any idea why few children get seriously sick from the virus? 

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Well what's interesting is, I wonder if an offshoot of this will be to see a little more global diversity in manufacturing bases?  To have so much concentrated in China when you have labor pools in Mexico, Central America and even Africa, it might seem a prudent course correction to invest in some alternatives to China for a host of reasons.

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6 minutes ago, [icon] said:

Like I said It was a while back and something I had read in passing. But since you seem incapable of using Google... 

Not saying these are the specific links I read but it's what comes up with 23 seconds of afford and a rudimentary knowledge of how to use Google: 

 

 

I can use google, thanks. As I said, my internet connection is terrible, so searches are painfully slow. Thanks for the info though.

From what you posted, the guy is just saying coronaviruses have proofreading mechanisms, which makes them relatively more stable than other RNA viruses. But they still mutate frequently, which explains our body’s inability to develop complete immunity to them, much like other viruses that cause colds and the flu.

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4 minutes ago, Smack Tripper said:

Well what's interesting is, I wonder if an offshoot of this will be to see a little more global diversity in manufacturing bases?  To have so much concentrated in China when you have labor pools in Mexico, Central America and even Africa, it might seem a prudent course correction to invest in some alternatives to China for a host of reasons.

It is never a good idea to put all your eggs in one basket.  Natural disaster, political upheaval, terrorism attack could put entire city/region/country out of commission.

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5 minutes ago, bradyfan said:

Any idea why few children get seriously sick from the virus? 

Not really. I believe the same was true of the 2009 H1N1 (swine flu) pandemic -- my then-three-year-old son caught it and was only mildly sick. Anecdote is not data, of course.

Just musing, no science: I wonder if children tend to have a more efficient inflammation response than adults (e.g. faster healing of wounds, etc.)? Also, I believe (without looking it up to verify) that post-infancy children can withstand higher fevers without permanent effects than adults can.

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150,000 people die every day globally.   Eventually something is going to introduce us to the grim reaper.

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40 minutes ago, Summer Wheat said:

150,000 people die every day globally.   Eventually something is going to introduce us to the grim reaper.

I don’t really watch news on TV anymore.  Do they even cover COVID-19?

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Catching up on some e-mails over the past week, I just learned that a co-worker drove a friend from the airport from Wuhan, China in late December. My boss was out sick with "flu-like symptoms" Wed-Fri.

:scared:

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3 minutes ago, hagmania said:

Catching up on some e-mails over the past week, I just learned that a co-worker drove a friend from the airport from Wuhan, China in late December. My boss was out sick with "flu-like symptoms" Wed-Fri.

:scared:

Can I have your stuff?

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5 minutes ago, hagmania said:

Catching up on some e-mails over the past week, I just learned that a co-worker drove a friend from the airport from Wuhan, China in late December. My boss was out sick with "flu-like symptoms" Wed-Fri.

:scared:

We'll miss you in the Titans thread

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1 minute ago, msommer said:

We'll miss you in the Titans thread

If anything goes sideways, all I'm worrying about on stock is gasoline, as I'll be skedaddling to my folks' place in the middle-of-f'n-nowhere, KY. Surely to god they're more prepared than I am.

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A smalltown in Kentucky is the unlikely center of America's COVID-19 outbreak. When reached for comment, patient zero (a young professional now living in Nashville) stated, "I know Mom keeps a stash of Honey Bunches of Oats, and I love that ####."

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7 minutes ago, hagmania said:

A smalltown in Kentucky is the unlikely center of America's COVID-19 outbreak. When reached for comment, patient zero (a young professional now living in Nashville) stated, "I know Mom keeps a stash of Honey Bunches of Oats, and I love that ####."

Cue Captain Crips theme

ETA: And "Baby, Can you dig your man?"

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I will say looking at the air quality in China it is no surprise that people there have a harder time fighting it off regardless of access to medicine.

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57 minutes ago, hagmania said:

Catching up on some e-mails over the past week, I just learned that a co-worker drove a friend from the airport from Wuhan, China in late December. My boss was out sick with "flu-like symptoms" Wed-Fri.

:scared:

Start hiding Mucinex.

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3 hours ago, Terminalxylem said:

I know people are condemning wet markets (for good reason), but has this outbreak or others convinced anyone to reduce meat consumption? A lot of food borne illness, even when it involves veggies,  can be traced to the abysmal conditions of industrial livestock production.

A bridge too far, GB.  If threat of heart disease ain't doing it, neither will this.

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On 2/13/2020 at 3:22 AM, krista4 said:

Good god, the thread I was in before this was the Otis diet thread, and I forgot I'd clicked a new thread, and I thought, "shader, you are going in the wrong direction!"  Whew.

Krista, this is not an excuse to eat more snacks.

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4 hours ago, Terminalxylem said:

I know people are condemning wet markets (for good reason), but has this outbreak or others convinced anyone to reduce meat consumption? A lot of food borne illness, even when it involves veggies,  can be traced to the abysmal conditions of industrial livestock production.

We’ve cut back on red meat for years. Chicken probably the final frontier. We eat a few vegetarian meals a week, may up it even more. 

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1 minute ago, Hugh Jass said:

You are boldly going where only Mr. Ham has gone before in this thread...

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Just now, msommer said:

You are boldly going where only Mr. Ham has gone before in this thread...

Lol...I know!  Only zerohedge and crap had articles like this before.  The Daily Mail isn't too much better but the quote/source of "Beijing-sponsored South China University of Technology" gave me pause.  You think they'd not let this get published unless it was about to get out in the wild as a fact.

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4 hours ago, bradyfan said:

The ‚Äúhot button‚ÄĚ is when people see China keep ~50 cities and half a billion people on lockdown. ¬†People‚Äôs survival instinct tells them, ‚ÄúWhen a mountain bear is chasing after you, you don‚Äôt have to outrun the bear. You only have to outrun the guy running next to you.‚ÄĚ ¬†The question is why is China ‚Äúoverreacting‚ÄĚ when it‚Äôs a nothing-burger?

Total flu deaths in US, population 329.45 million: 
61,000 in 2017 - 2018 season (estimated) 
38,000 in 2016 - 2017 season 
23,000 in 2015 - 2016 season

Total official flu deaths in China, population 1.435 billion: 
144 in 2018 
  56 in 2017 
  41 in 2016

Exactly, this is basically a story of China quarantining millions and damaging their own economy due to a virus.  Since everyone knows we can’t trust China, we simply done have enough facts now.

But, there are enough non-China people with the virus that we can start to see spread rates and death rates that are realistic.  Also we will see what the true symptoms are and whether it is truly mutating (which I doubt )

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4 hours ago, [icon] said:

Like I said It was a while back and something I had read in passing. But since you seem incapable of using Google... 

Not saying these are the specific links I read but it's what comes up with 23 seconds of effort and a rudimentary knowledge of how to use Google: 

 

I enjoy your posts but this really wasn’t excellent. All he did was ask for a link to learn something 

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1 hour ago, msommer said:

40 Americans on Diamond Princess confirmed with coronavirus

I've seen reports that those 40 would not be on the plane back to the US, but in this article it says they will be separated in the plane...

So they hold them for 14d on the boat then surprise!!!! 14 more on an airforce base or whatever.  

Hope they liked dat buffet

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On 2/15/2020 at 5:58 PM, shader said:

Non-China Infections

2/7 - 277

2/10 - 394

2/11 - 430

2/12 - 490

2/14 - 525

2/15 - 684

 

Non-China Infections

2/7 - 277

2/10 - 394

2/11 - 430

2/12 - 490

2/14 - 525

2/15 - 684

2/16 - 695

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Another 99 cases on Diamond Princess reported (not sure if that includes the 40 Americans we heard of yday)

i24News

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Monday saw the first plane evacuating US citizens from the vessel land in California, with the passengers set for two weeks of quarantine at a military base.

These included 14 people who had been diagnosed with coronavirus, but still allowed to board the planes.

 

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On 2/15/2020 at 11:01 PM, bradyfan said:

China CDC Situation Report on Feb-15
31 Provinces & XPCC
  Suspected: 8228 (+1918)
  Confirmed: 68500 (+2009)
  Severe: 11272 (+219)
  Dead: 1665 (+142)
  Recovered: 9419 (+1323)
Hong Kong - Confirmed: 56 (Dead: 1, Recovered: 1)
Macau - Confirmed: 10 (Recovered: 3)
Taiwan - Confirmed: 18 (Recovered: 2)

China CDC Situation Report on Feb-16 Link
31 Provinces & XPCC
  Suspected: 7264 (+1563)
  Confirmed: 70548 (+2048)
  Severe: 10644 (-628)
  Dead: 1770 (+105)
  Recovered: 10844 (+1425)
Hong Kong - Confirmed: 57 (Dead: 1, Recovered: 2) 
Macau - Confirmed: 10 (Recovered: 5) 
Taiwan - Confirmed: 20 (Dead: 1, Recovered: 2)

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Hard to believe a 2k increase in confirmed cases but a 600+ decrease in severe cases (With only a 100 increase in recovered).

If true that's great but I don't believe it 

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2 hours ago, msommer said:

Another 99 cases on Diamond Princess reported (not sure if that includes the 40 Americans we heard of yday)

i24News

 

The 99 cases include 14 Americans who evacuated plus 2 others Link

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Several drugs, including remdesivir, chloroquine phosphate and fapilavir, have been screened and have shown good clinical efficacy in treating the novel coronavirus, according to Zhang Xinmin, director of the China National Center for Biotechnology Development under the Ministry of Science and Technology.

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20 minutes ago, [icon] said:

I see your 14 day incubation period, and raise you 10 days. 
 

instances of up to 24 days incubation beginning to surface :unsure: 

 

 

I think we've seen this discussed before in this thread as outlier samples (same as the "9 day survival rate in the wild")

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5 minutes ago, msommer said:

I think we've seen this discussed before in this thread as outlier samples (same as the "9 day survival rate in the wild")

Or post-quarantine contraction :shrug: 

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The Toyko Marathon was basically just cancelled.  It will now only be 176 "elite" runners instead of the normal 30k.  My cousin is crushed, he had qualified and was trying to run all 6 major marathons within a 12 month period or something crazy.

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12 hours ago, shader said:

Non-China Infections

2/7 - 277

2/10 - 394

2/11 - 430

2/12 - 490

2/14 - 525

2/15 - 684

2/16 - 695

You're doing the Lord's work here. Thank you. :thumbup:

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On 2/16/2020 at 9:51 AM, Terminalxylem said:

I know people are condemning wet markets (for good reason), but has this outbreak or others convinced anyone to reduce meat consumption? A lot of food borne illness, even when it involves veggies,  can be traced to the abysmal conditions of industrial livestock production.

You shut your whore mouth mister!

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Last night i found an article about a famous Chinese director who was on his deathbed after both his parents and his wife had recently died from the virus. He was sending a video to his son in the states. 
 

Cant recall where I saw it, if anyone can find it please post in here.

edit: found iT. Correction: wife is infected but okay so far. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f535md/a_family_of_four_in_wuhan_all_passed_away_due_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

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3 minutes ago, [icon] said:

Last night i found an article about a famous Chinese director who was on his deathbed after both his parents and his wife had recently died from the virus. He was sending a video to his son in the states. 
 

Cant recall where I saw it, if anyone can find it please post in here 

I actually don't understand deathbeds.  I mean, who would buy that?

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1 minute ago, TheIronSheik said:

I actually don't understand deathbeds.  I mean, who would buy that?

And is there a 90 day in home guarantee like a regular bed?

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27 minutes ago, UOFI_316 said:

The Toyko Marathon was basically just cancelled.  It will now only be 176 "elite" runners instead of the normal 30k.  My cousin is crushed, he had qualified and was trying to run all 6 major marathons within a 12 month period or something crazy.

He should try being more elite /s

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