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A big increase in price. I wonder if that will happen to the cost of a vaccine, once one is approved. It takes time to get manufacturing up to speed.
We don’t have ample medical facilities, nor transportation to quarantine a potentially large group of people.jvdesigns2002 said:
In general, larger, more state-of-the-art facilities tend to be in populous cities.jvdesigns2002 said:
People are notified of a potential exposure in an outbreak setting. This only occurs when close contact with the infected individual(s) has occurred. Being a patient in the same hospital doesn’t qualify.jvdesigns2002 said:
Looks like we need to ship everyone with cold symptoms to those three states.bradyfan said:
It’s math that communicable diseases tend to cluster in populated areas. And I’ll reiterate, there aren’t plenty of medical facilities equipped to provide care for the sickest coronavirus patients, nor are there enough ambulances to be shuttling large groups of people with common symptoms to designated testing and treatment centers.jvdesigns2002 said:
No, but that's likely because there aren't that many novel infectious diseases that come about, or at least not deadly ones. Influenza, measles, and smallpox predate modern medicine. Only MERS and SARS come to mind.
Legionaires, hantavirus, ebola, swine then avian flu, E Coli 057:H7, West Nile, community MRSA, etc. Plus re-emergence of old diseases like measles, anthrax. There are plenty of recent infectious threats.
Good point. Lots of infectious diseases or there. Some novel, some not. But none of those have turned into global pandemic. And we are right on the cusp of that with COVID-19.
Did you read the article that I am responding to or are you merely responding to my quotes? I'm not trying to be snarky--I'm legit curious. If you read the article--the plan is that they are trying to send every person that is diagnosed as being positive for the coronavirus in california to this center in Costa Mesa. The article clearly and transparently states that the facility is only suited for quarantine purposes only--and if any of the patients require medical care that they will be taken to regular Orange County hospitals. Being that many people that suffer from this virus suffer from pneumonia-like symptoms within a few weeks--many patients that are infected with this disease will absolutely be transported to hospitals that already are crazy busy. In Orange County-if you go to an emergency room--unless you are clearly in danger of dying--your typical wait could be 2-6 hours. In this area--hospitals are bustling with patients--and this plan virtually guarantees that people outside of that developmental center will be exposed to the virus. If that center was capable of quarantining and caring for patients--I would absolutely have a far lesser stance on this--but honestly--it seems like the vast majority of people here choose to argue with me without reading the very thing that I'm commenting about.
The first freak out will be about the medicine shortages.
Ham. I'm getting closer to at least stocking up on staples as well. If current trajectory continues next Saturday I'll pull the trigger.
As someone who lives in hurricane country, you don't need hurricane landfall to experience runs on stores.
But for the sake of completeness of what we know, has it happened in America? Has it happened in the western developed world in the last 50 years? I truly don't know, I'm asking to learn, I haven't heard about it, but I can see how it would be possible. In New Jersey there was a hospital where I think meningitis swept through a children's unit and 11 kids died if I'm not mistaken but these were already unfortunately compromised kids, I know in the hosptial stuff happens from time to time. But I'm wondering about it getting out.
Dallas had a crazy run on gas in advance of a hurricane that never actually made landfall and we are 200 miles inland. I can see how things can hit the fan, but just don't see the US mindset going that way.
Not sure lately, as she spent the last week in Mozambique. She lands in the US tomorrow morning. Thankfully, no cases in sub saharan Africa yet.
We'll see I guess.
Good question. I'm about to stop updating the cruise ship numbers. Some had asked for that to be broken out, but it's pretty clear that the rapid climb in the last 2 days has had nothing to do with the cruise ship so I'll leave that off in future.
I thought I saw something that only 34 people were left on the ship. Which I found interesting for a number of reasons. A) I can see feeding a ton of people, but a handful? So what is the crew up to? B) Why would anyone stay? I can't imagine not thinking that I'd be better off almost anywhere else.
The last I'd seen (earlier today) in the Japan Times, there were still ~300 passengers and the thousand or so crew still on there, but that could be outdated compared to what you saw. A lot of the crew are cleaning and disinfecting now, and I believe they are under an additional quarantine before they leave. By the way, in case it hadn't been mentioned, the crew are all receiving two months of additional pay, including approximation of their usual tips, as "hazard pay" (not sure it's been called that, but essentially). Glad to know they'll be compensated in some way.
I didn’t read your article. I’m responding to the NIMBY sentiment wrt to hospitalized COVID-19 patients, and the idea that these patients should be shuttled to more remote facilities.
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We've got 45 days of food / water / supplies prepared for power outage just in case. Considering upping that to 60 days this week.
Anyone who doesn't believe this is coming and will result in widespread quarantines is kidding themselves. Be prepared to shut in at your house for weeks. My guess is we are a week or two max from some pretty serious runs on stores/supplies. I hope I'm wrong.
The theory is that people who are at home can't tend to the power generating plants, I believe
I seriously doubt it will as a result of this pandemic, but it's not hard to be ready for the possibility. Other scenarios (major earthquake expected by us on new Madrid fault) is far more likely to disrupt power/water. In Florida a major hurricane is your most likely culprit.
Yeah this whole power is going to go out thing is strictly disaster movie hype.
Gotcha. Yes purely in context of the pandemic I agree Access to power/water shouldn't be an issue.
It was one of my biggest gripes with Fear the Walking Dead and the principal reason I stopped watching the show: They promised to show how society fell - and then they just incarcerated everyone in the suburbs and skipped the whole thing and had the army pull out when society had apparently fallen.
There was a post earlier that addressed it.
I totally agree with food, now is the time to start stocking up on food. But why water, as I don’t see a scenario where water treatment plants shut down?
See this is how I look at it too. When there is an approaching snow storm here in Colorado, people go full on zombie apocalypse level shopping at Walmart. I have been stepping up my buying over the past few weeks. This virus would kill me if I got it--being a type one diabetic, over 50 and with high blood pressure. I have had the flu twice in my life and both times I was hospitalized, so I get how fragile my health is.
