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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (12 Viewers)
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top dog
Footballguy
Wife came home from work saying her sinuses were feeling clogged. She checked her temp and she was 99.4. Took some sinus meds and is relaxing in the bedroom. Told it was probably just a bug but if her temp was still elevated in the morning she can't go to work. Of course, I just started working from home so that's great. Would only be fitting if I sequestered to home and that woman figured out a way to come here and take me out. I told her the other day there is a reason she is my ex-girlfriend! 
msommer
Footballguy
matttyl
Footballguy
That last bit is what I’m wrestling with.
Are we going to de facto shut down the country for 4-12 months for this virus?
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Footballguy
I think society can get along just fine for an extended period of time, as long as people are not expected to make major sacrifices.
Minor sacrifices = social distancing, handwashing, masks, gloves, prohibitions on large gatherings. (No problem.)
Major sacrifices = quarantines, lockdowns, military patrolling the streets. (Zombie apocalypse stuff.)
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
There is exactly one US city with a population density higher than singapore.
I guess you are right. It is much more difficult to control it there.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Sorry to hear that. What are your contingency plans if you don't mind me asking?I was put out of work until April 6. On April 6th things will be reevaluated.
We are one of those check to check families that live above their means. Trying to stay cool but I'm freaking a little.
Punxsutawney Phil
Footballguy
We need the federal government to speed up drone delivery.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
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msommer
Footballguy
Well, I see an opportunity. The people will be starved for entertainment. Who's to say that the players can't be enticed to run e.g. shorter tournaments for tv audiences only, at the cost of extreme social distancing? It would likely have to be a different format but appluying a little ingenuity to the issue may assist
Politician Spock
Footballguy
If you have the Pluto TV app, "Night of the Comet" is currently playing on the Cult Films channel. 
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
Start looking for work I guess?
I see some stores looking for help stocking. There is a chance I could get called in as part of the emergency preparedness coalition?
I honestly don't know. Right now I am trying to not feel like a POS worrying about my finances when people are dying.
Also reminding myself that I am not alone and it will all work out one way or the other.
JbizzleMan
Footballguy
Anyone have the Figure 1 app? It’s pretty interesting following the Covid19 cases. You see the frustration with doctors not being able to test. There are definitely HUGE numbers of “undiagnosed” people going unreported.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
I was going to suggest the delivery/grocery store route for work. Don't apologize for trying to provide for your family. Best of luck.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
I could see a Hunger Games / Running Man type of show coming out of thisWell, I see an opportunity. The people will be starved for entertainment. Who's to say that the players can't be enticed to run e.g. shorter tournaments for tv audiences only, at the cost of extreme social distancing? It would likely have to be a different format but appluying a little ingenuity to the issue may assist
matttyl
Footballguy
I haven’t been following the numbers as well as I likely should have, granted. (I am following guidelines, both wife and I working from home, were social distancing and all that, doing what we can to flatten the curve). But with the first death roughly two weeks ago and all the doom and gloom in the media, I honestly would have expected this number to be multiples of this. Like nearly 1k at this point. We’ve had over 100k US deaths for other reasons the past two weeks.
msommer
Footballguy
There are many opportunities. Only time will tell which are of interest to the (entertainment starved) American public
"Bread and Circus!"*
*maybe not an actual quote from a Roman emperor but close enough
msommer
Footballguy
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
This is what needs to happen. It does no good to put one town/state on lockdown and not the one next to it. They come off a lockdown only to go out and mingle with others from other areas and we start the fire up again. I think things are going to get really bad by the end of next week and hard decisions for this country are going to need to be made by the first week of April. We need to stop just thinking we can continue our normal lives at this point.
Koya
Footballguy
Density is just one aspect. How that density is designed/constructed, the nature of public space... those play a role as well.
But, by far, it's the culture and system of government. Singapore is basically a benevolent dictatorship with a very community minded, live by rule of law society. They have invested in the best access to healthcare/medicine, technologies. When the gov't makes an edict, folks OBEY. They are forward thinking, planning oriented, execution and follow through are great.
In essence, very well situated for a crisis like this... as opposed to our system of gov't and society that is not, at all, prepared (in addition to the structural issues such as lack of living wages, lack of savings/high debt, a terrible healthcare system for those without significant money and/or employer provided care.
msommer
Footballguy
Also, I was in Milan twice in October - would have been fun to have a glass of prosecco (or craft beer) with you if you were there at the time!
JShare87
Footballguy
I keep thinking this is America’s strategy. Delay testing as long as possible. Even if we do identify the people that have it, how are we regulating their quarantines? It’s not like China where everyone is being tracked. You get tested, it’s positive, symptoms aren’t bad, go home and rest. Who is to say these people don’t just go about their daily lives like what is happening now.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Some data coming out of Italy. Thankful for some of this, at least for our children:
--less than 10 children admitted to PICUs in the whole country of Italy
--about 400 of the COVID+ cases are in children < 17 (out of 35,000+ cases)
--Only 13 deaths in patients under age 50 years in Italy out of nearly 3K deaths. Median age of mortality is 80 years
--Median age for COVID diagnosis is 60 years
--less than 10 children admitted to PICUs in the whole country of Italy
--about 400 of the COVID+ cases are in children < 17 (out of 35,000+ cases)
--Only 13 deaths in patients under age 50 years in Italy out of nearly 3K deaths. Median age of mortality is 80 years
--Median age for COVID diagnosis is 60 years
matttyl
Footballguy
Not following this as a reply to what I wrote. I understand that we won’t find it if we don’t test, but if we did test and truly saw how many people had it and that the fatality rate is likely around 1% or so - at what point do average Americans (not forward thinking FBGs) throw their hands up and say F it and do what they can to return to a “normal life”? Will Americans deal with this new reality for 4-12 months before asking these questions?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
@maggieNYT
De Blasio tells NY1 that a lot more testing is happening now and the numbers are moving fast because of it - it's now 1,871 cases, with 11 deaths, in NYC he says. A huge increase from just over 900 cases in NYC last night around 10 p.m.
Pretty sure we were at 463 on Monday.
De Blasio tells NY1 that a lot more testing is happening now and the numbers are moving fast because of it - it's now 1,871 cases, with 11 deaths, in NYC he says. A huge increase from just over 900 cases in NYC last night around 10 p.m.
Pretty sure we were at 463 on Monday.
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
I'd attend a seminar, or watch a couple youtube videos where he goes over the details of this set-up, for sure.
Human beings can generally be a PITA, but one thing I do love about us is we are some crafty, resilient organisms. We can take adversity and spin it into pure gold. The other redeeming quality we have is, when SHTF, we generally care for each other.
msommer
Footballguy
Ok. My point is that I am not sure the number of deaths is correct because dead people may not be tested for covid-19
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matttyl
Footballguy
Gotcha. I’ve read where people have tested positive postmortem. Are any “presumptive positives” in the total number, or is it only people who have actually tested positive?
Shula-holic
Footballguy
Just heard this addressed a bit on tv. Sounds like some of the experts are saying China and South Korea could experience another explosion of this when they try to go back to business as normal. The more I hear about this it seems like the main goal is flattening the curve and if we are truly 18 months from any vaccine, our best efforts may be to just spread this out so as to try and not overwhelm our hospitals. If this goes on 18 months, hard to imagine a significant share of the population, maybe 50%+ will have had it by then, and maybe at least have some short term immunity.
the moops
Footballguy
Singapore is likely the cleanest city in the world. It is illegal to litter and spit and smoke in public. We are gosh darn monsters compared to them
I don't know if they will - seem that they are unlikely to live under restriction very long - given that many refuse to do it at all now.
But, the real issue here is not the mortality rate of covid19 - the real issue is the rise in overall morality rates for everything because doctors/hospitals are overwhelmed with patients and cannot properly treat all (or even many) of patients coming in for any number of issues. 1% die from covid, but another X% of the population dies from something else that would normally be preventable.
msommer
Footballguy
Blick
Footballguy
I can’t wrap my head around it either. Two weeks, ok. One month, maybe. More than that, unsure. Four months, not a chance.
msommer
Footballguy
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
How does a country like New Zealand only have 20 cases? Extreme isolation? Are they already practicing social distancing and other measures? If this wasn’t affecting us all personally so much it would be fascinating to understand their situation. Germany too, and Russia for that matter.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
These videos from the beaches are truly disturbing. Our beach city mayors are asking the governor here to close the beaches and all she is saying is she's "considering it". We have schools closed throughout the state, most counties have closed dine in restaurants, bars are closed, yet we can't close the beaches?
msommer
Footballguy
I can't tell you what is going to happen. But I can tell you that in Northern Europe the authorities are not expecting the warmer weather to reduce the transmission of the virus. And if it does they expect a big comeback (for the virus) in October. Exactly like the Spanish flu a hundred years ago. Becasue that's where we are, with no treatment or vaccine, just like then.
Whether we learn from the Spanish flu or not is entirely up to each society.
Good luck
msommer
Footballguy
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Depends what you consider "catching up". Scratch that, we're nowhere near it, unless you think widespread testing in unnecessary.
Capella
Footballguy
Sports leagues are worth billions. The only thing I am certain of is they will find a way to play the games. If I had to guess I’d say testing is substantially more prevalent by the fall so they’ll just test everybody involved before every game.Well, I see an opportunity. The people will be starved for entertainment. Who's to say that the players can't be enticed to run e.g. shorter tournaments for tv audiences only, at the cost of extreme social distancing? It would likely have to be a different format but appluying a little ingenuity to the issue may assist
Shula-holic
Footballguy
I'm betting on this for college football too but I'm not nearly as certain as I once was.
msommer
Footballguy
Merkel was out today castigating the Germans to take this seriously. As if Germans take anything lightly. That should tell you about the leadership that is being displayed. As to Russia, who knows. What Putin says, goes
You obviously have never played Plague, Inc.
Island nations - like New Zealand, Madagascar, and Greenland are notoriously difficult to infect.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
That one could be a little sketchier as obviously the players aren’t paid (on the books). NFL is rolling those games out though.
msommer
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I don't really understand the point you guys are trying to make. If it is that Americans wont listen and follow the government restrictions then that makes it even sillier to close schools. Since those kids will be out of school (with plenty still visiting schools to pick up meals) and now under the care of americans that aren't listening.
This of course will lead to them hanging out, having play dates, sleepovers, etc.
In singapore the teachers and school staff are constantly reminding the kids to wash hands, not touch their faces, keep their masks on, etc. They screen often for temps. They do it for their own good since the kids aren't really the ones at risk.
I don't have a hard time imagining our school staff doing the same things here. I do have a hard time seeing parents keeping them from hanging out with their friends long term.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Have to admit after being largely shut in for 10 days now that seeing the pictures of the beaches and the bars it’s difficult not to be frustrated with the callous behavior of many of these folks. Perhaps the regional nature of this country lends itself to that kind of approach being ok, i.e. depending on where one is located should dictate the measures taken (I’m in Suffolk County NY).
