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Just now, JAA said:

Good questions - my wife and I were discussing this exact thing.  Im with you, my wife thinks that the govt should know best on who needs the money.  It really becomes a personal preference here.  There could definitely be a system for small/med businesses applying for assistance if they needed it based on certain criteria of impact.  In MA, we have a pretty good online system for managing unemployment.  Im sure something like this could be leveraged.

Imagine how long it would take the Government to sort this out. 

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Just now, msommer said:

What do we know about testing policy and availability?

Long Island has set up drive through testing by appointment in both Nassau and Suffolk counties.

Manhattan and the other 4 boroughs need to be doing more IMO. These are extremely densely populated areas. Self quarantine should be the modus operandi there, but the mayor has been slow to react. He personally continues to work out at a public gym, sending mixed signals at a time where all New Yorkers need to be extremely diligent.

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3 minutes ago, caustic said:

Someone with a fixed income of $25k is much likelier to spend the entire check than a couple making $140k. If our goal here is to stimulate the economy, we should be sending those folks money as well.

I think we need to get the money to the people/business who need it.  We are debating on who could do a better job of it, the govt or individuals.

Maybe a food-stamp like system where it can only be used on food/essentials?  Id imagine that would bring a huge black market though :tinfoilhat:

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29 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

Someone sent me a pic of 6 guys standing in a suburban neighborhood street  in a circle about 12 feet apart drinking a beer.  Selfish or okay?

People should just use common sense. Some people are staying home but acting normally in terms of interacting with friends/neighbors. Somebody in my neighborhood posted this rant on Nextdoor.

 

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I will risk sounding officious because I'm more concerned about our reaction to CDC and state guidance about how to conduct ourselves during this pandemic the world's grappling with:

I just returned from an 8-minute drive to deliver some supplies to a friend who is without (I wore gloves and a mask from my furniture refinishing days & advised her not even to open the door). And I'm astonished by what I saw, en route and while returning.

This is just a bit of the scope of what I witnessed today: in OUR/MY neighborhood, full families with kids of all ages are congregating on street corners with baby strollers and in some cases, an elderly family member along for the walk. Additionally, kids from TWO families are running around on lawns together, tagging eachother and playing, while Moms chat and grandparents sitting on benches look on and receive the occasional hug from a child. TWO days ago, I even saw men bringing in multiple waves of folding chairs for a large event they were evidently having at their home!

Leaf blowers, landscapers and construction workers are still out in relatively normal force, blowing dirt everywhere and sitting on truck beds right next to each other, talking or eating curbside.

More north, by Sunset / Genessee, a group of 9 cyclists were riding together, stopped at the corner red light chatting away, a foot from one another.

I'll spare you more goings-on.

WHY ARE OUR NEIGHBORS CONTINUING TO CONGREGATE??

The whole POINT of being asked to adhere to social distancing is to SLOW the nation's inevitable overburdening of health care providers spread thin as it is, and available equipment and isolation units to the HUGE number of folks top health officials project will be affected, if we don't. If we DO NOT DO OUR PARTS, more people lose their lives.

PLEASE STOP BEHAVING AS THOUGH LIFE IS CONTINUING AS USUAL. There is NOTHING NORMAL about the rate and uncertainty with which this disease is spreading and killing people the world over. And it's NOT JUST THE MOST VULNERABLE who are dying, we are now learning.

Please - if you know families who are NOT on Next Door, PLEASE INVITE them to be. Engage them to engage their communities ONLINE. To EDUCATE themselves! INFORMATION IS KEY.

While our local numbers may SEEM low, the REALITY is, we really have NO GAUGE on how many people are walking around with this, as there are few available test kits (and stringent pre-requisite questioning before you can be approved for testing, STILL, even though we all are supposed to be able to be tested).

While you, your kids, your friends who are otherwise healthy may be able to beat Coronavirus if you become infected, you risk infecting others whose immune systems cannot. Don't forget - if you're infected (knowingly or unknowingly), your quick trip to the post office or grocery could be harmful or deadly to someone else.

Here's the thing - we need EVERYONE to adhere to this quarantine/ social distancing in an effort to HELP THE PEOPLE HELPING YOU! Even our UPS delivery personnel deserve your attention, as they're bringing you the essentials and novelties (I hope folks forgo the latter) to keep you stocked, while putting themselves at risk of illness. A strong, 30-ish UPS deliveryman just yesterday pulled his vehicle over on my street and buried his forehead in his un-gloved hands in a moment of feeling overwhelmed (he was - I asked). He had one pair of canvas gloves he was trying to salvage and no hand sanitizer left (I gave him some of mine) and told him I understood and thanked him for his service.

SO LET'S ALL PLEASE DO OUR PART To MITIGATE THIS CRISIS!

I apologize for this rant; I'd written a calmer, more succinct post a few minutes ago and before I hit "send" Next Door accidentally refreshed and I lost it all. I WANT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO BE, and STAY, WELL!

 

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1 minute ago, JAA said:

I think we need to get the money to the people/business who need it.  We are debating on who could do a better job of it, the govt or individuals.

Maybe a food-stamp like system where it can only be used on food/essentials?  Id imagine that would bring a huge black market though :tinfoilhat:

Racist.

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3 minutes ago, Doug B said:

My expenses changed this month -- spent about $400 more on groceries last week than in a normal week. Will likely have to spend extra this month on prescriptions for the family if we're going to be allowed to get ahead on some of them.

Unless you're eating more this month, your groceries will be lower the next few months as you eat your supply.

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2 minutes ago, shader said:

Yes, the linked spreadsheet that Ned built is tracking non-china infections around the world.  China is a large outlier that completely skews the numbers.  Most websites track total cases though.

Ive been following.  On the worldometer ones you can see the recovery rates going down both world wide and US.  That may be italy hitting the numbers, but with our testing increasing we should see recoveries going way up.

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6 minutes ago, Caesar said:

If you don't need the money because you didn't lose your job, then couldn't you just donate it to a few worthy causes that will help the people who need it the most?

Why give it back?  You'll likely be taxed on it anyway.

Donate to a local charity, give to a struggling relative for rent/mortgage or even patronize favorite restaurants for takeout, they are desperate for business 

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4 minutes ago, Buddy Ball 2K3 said:

Imagine how long it would take the Government to sort this out. 

What is the alternative?  Giving people $1000 and telling them to "spend it on those in need"?

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5 minutes ago, JAA said:

Uh - not to be a debbie downer, but death rates are going up and recoveries are going down.  My guess is that China numbers are impacting this.  We need to hope that we are not on an Italy trajectory.

That’s a completely realistic interpretation. Non-China cases are a very important metric. It’s worthwhile to look at China, South Korea and Italy as they are days/weeks in front of where we are. Unfortunately, as we discussed yesterday, the US is on the Italy trajectory, not a South Korea/China trajectory. If anything, the US is falling behind as we haven’t even adopted as strict measures yet.

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15 minutes ago, Buddy Ball 2K3 said:

It hasn't changed yet (lucky you) and the people we are talking about are on Gov assistance and their income will not be negatively affected. 

A LOT of people on government assistance and Social Security continue to work. I don't know about every program, but I know that for Social Security, you're allowed to earn up to ~$17,000/yr and still collect full benefits. A close relative had to retire a few years early recently to become a near-fulltime caregiver for his wife (she suffered a stroke last summer). He still works part-time, and needs the extra income he brings in.

So, some people on social programs (including Social Security) will miss income due to COVID. I don't think it's a small percentage in this boat, either.

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1 minute ago, JAA said:

What is the alternative?  Giving people $1000 and telling them to "spend it on those in need"?

I think they just roll out checks

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2 minutes ago, Doug B said:

A LOT of people on government assistance and Social Security continue to work. I don't know about every program, but I know that for Social Security, you're allowed to earn up to ~$17,000/yr and still collect full benefits. A close relative had to retire a few years early recently to become a near-fulltime caregiver for his wife (she suffered a stroke last summer). He still works part-time, and needs the extra income he brings in.

So, some people on social programs (including Social Security) will miss income due to COVID. I don't think it's a small percentage in this boat, either.

They will miss only if the additional income is un-reported.  If they are collecting SSD but then working under the table supporting a family ... that stinks for all parties involved.

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2 minutes ago, Buddy Ball 2K3 said:

I think they just roll out checks

Then please provide an "opt-out" system.

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15 minutes ago, Caesar said:

If you don't need the money because you didn't lose your job, then couldn't you just donate it to a few worthy causes that will help the people who need it the most?

Why give it back?  You'll likely be taxed on it anyway.

That's what we discussed doing to be honest. Supporting some of the local businesses we like, especially restaurants and breweries. 

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6 minutes ago, Random said:

Unless you're eating more this month, your groceries will be lower the next few months as you eat your supply.

... eh ... not really unless we stay in current COVID mode for several months running. That's more a condition of my household's preferences than anything else, though. Might not apply to others.

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Water on canals of Venice have turned clear. Fish visible and swans have returned.

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9 minutes ago, JAA said:

Ive been following.  On the worldometer ones you can see the recovery rates going down both world wide and US.  That may be italy hitting the numbers, but with our testing increasing we should see recoveries going way up.

I'm not entirely convinced countries report recoveries very well.  Germany is a prime example.  Their recoveries are extremely low, as are their deaths.  

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I don't think $1k per adult is even close to enough. How does that help people that live in high cost of living areas? Also, just because someone WAS making six figures last year doesn't mean they are right now. Think about all of the people in the casino, travel, restaurant, etc industries that are seeing 50-80% drops in their income overnight. 

I say screw the companies that spent their tax breaks on stock buybacks and give AT LEAST $2,500 to every adult. 

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Just now, JAA said:

I think we need to get the money to the people/business who need it.  We are debating on who could do a better job of it, the govt or individuals.

Maybe a food-stamp like system where it can only be used on food/essentials?  Id imagine that would bring a huge black market though :tinfoilhat:

The problem is that targeted assistance programs often do a poor job of getting help to everyone who needs it. SNAP reaches 55% of eligible individuals, SSI 46%. A lot of people get left in the cold when we try to get cute with means testing. The best way to cover everyone + stimulate the economy is to just send everyone checks.

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3 minutes ago, JAA said:

They will miss only if the additional income is un-reported.  If they are collecting SSD but then working under the table supporting a family ... that stinks for all parties involved.

I'm missing something, then:

Take a guy on Social Security making an allowed $1,250/month on top of his SS benefits. Say this guy scrupulously claims his $15,000/yr earnings at tax time. With the COVID pandemic, he has lost the $1,250/month job.

Since this guy earns less than $25,000/yr outside of his SS benefits ... he wouldn't receive the $1,000 stimulus check. Right?

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27 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

The logarithmic curves are more linear than exponential. That’s what I should have said. I’ll edit.

i hope so, or we're really in trouble

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4 minutes ago, shader said:

I'm not entirely convinced countries report recoveries very well.  Germany is a prime example.  Their recoveries are extremely low, as are their deaths.  

Local and state health departments are too busy tracking new cases and doing contact tracing to be bothered with figuring out who has recovered.  That statistic will lag reality by a considerable amount.

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Sean Payton has tested positive for coronavirus, per ESPN. First case in the NFL world.

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6 minutes ago, Phil Elliott said:

Water on canals of Venice have turned clear. Fish visible and swans have returned.

Wait, what?

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7 minutes ago, CR69 said:

I don't think $1k per adult is even close to enough. How does that help people that live in high cost of living areas? Also, just because someone WAS making six figures last year doesn't mean they are right now. Think about all of the people in the casino, travel, restaurant, etc industries that are seeing 50-80% drops in their income overnight. 

I say screw the companies that spent their tax breaks on stock buybacks and give AT LEAST $2,500 to every adult. 

Seriously.

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6 minutes ago, shader said:

I'm not entirely convinced countries report recoveries very well.  Germany is a prime example.  Their recoveries are extremely low, as are their deaths.  

The real weird figure is "Severe" and/or "Critical" cases, which are often lumped together.

Some countries seem to take this measure seriously, and some seem to largely ignore it (e.g. Iran, and even South Korea). I used to hang my hat on sever-case numbers maybe three weeks ago, but now it's clear there's a lot of inconsistency in reporting.

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4 minutes ago, caustic said:

Sean Payton has tested positive for coronavirus, per ESPN. First case in the NFL world.

:eek:

 

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12 minutes ago, CR69 said:

I don't think $1k per adult is even close to enough. How does that help people that live in high cost of living areas? Also, just because someone WAS making six figures last year doesn't mean they are right now. Think about all of the people in the casino, travel, restaurant, etc industries that are seeing 50-80% drops in their income overnight. 

I say screw the companies that spent their tax breaks on stock buybacks and give AT LEAST $2,500 to every adult. 

Every month forever and deduct it out of corporate profits. :) Anyone got a problem with this?

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Running the risk here of sounding preachy and I apologize for that in advance.

Now isn’t the time to be going to public places and congregating with other people. Even if you are standing 6+ feet apart. Now is the time to be practicing extreme social distancing, not interacting with people, and generally staying home unless you really need to go out to pick up necessary supplies. 

Other countries have demonstrated how to counter this effectively. They implemented draconian measures for 30+ days and then started to see results. We need to have discipline and employ these measures each individually to do our part. Unfortunately we aren’t doing this collectively and I for the life of me cannot understand why.

Again, apologies for coming across like I know anything more or whatever. I just don’t get why we can’t understand what we’re up against here and the sacrifice we’re being asked to make. Which is to stay home, we can’t even do that? C’mon.

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Question for the house:

I can clearly see athletes and the rich getting COVID tests rather easily. My question is: how does that work procedurally?

IOW, who out there is free to "sell" COVID tests? Is there a de facto "black market" for COVID tests? Or were Sean Payton (and others) able to legitimately say "I travelled [somewhere] recently" and thus cut to the head of the COVID test line?

So ... Warren Buffet's got a Dumpster full of hundreds, and he wants a COVID test ASAP. Where does he go? Who does he transact with?

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"In countries where commercial departure options remain available, U.S. citizens who live in the United States should arrange for immediate return to the United States, unless they are prepared to remain abroad for an indefinite period," the alert said.

My cousins in Colombia got lucky and got tickets to fly back tomorrow. 

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2 minutes ago, Doug B said:

Question for the house:

I can clearly see athletes and the rich getting COVID tests rather easily. My question is: how does that work procedurally?

IOW, who out there is free to "sell" COVID tests? Is there a de facto "black market" for COVID tests? Or were Sean Payton (and others) able to legitimately say "I travelled [somewhere] recently" and thus cut to the head of the COVID test line?

So ... Warren Buffet's got a Dumpster full of hundreds, and he wants a COVID test ASAP. Where does he go? Who does he transact with?

I would guess team doctors have a few connections

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6 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

Running the risk here of sounding preachy and I apologize for that in advance.

Now isn’t the time to be going to public places and congregating with other people. Even if you are standing 6+ feet apart. Now is the time to be practicing extreme social distancing, not interacting with people, and generally staying home unless you really need to go out to pick up necessary supplies. 

Other countries have demonstrated how to counter this effectively. They implemented draconian measures for 30+ days and then started to see results. We need to have discipline and employ these measures each individually to do our part. Unfortunately we aren’t doing this collectively and I for the life of me cannot understand why.

Again, apologies for coming across like I know anything more or whatever. I just don’t get why we can’t understand what we’re up against here and the sacrifice we’re being asked to make. Which is to stay home, we can’t even do that? C’mon.

 On this note what is the thought process with donating blood

 A coworker of mine does a blood drive and it has been canceled and he asked If he could have it at our facility.

 My initial thought was of course not why would we want to have people brought together But now I'm wondering if it's needed and should be done

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3 minutes ago, CurlyNight said:

"In countries where commercial departure options remain available, U.S. citizens who live in the United States should arrange for immediate return to the United States, unless they are prepared to remain abroad for an indefinite period," the alert said.

My cousins in Colombia got lucky and got tickets to fly back tomorrow. 

My boss is in Mexico right now. Just let him know about this, they weren't scheduled to come home until Saturday. 

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Anecdote of unskilled medical-office worker asked to take on new tasks (though not treating patients):

Another close relative works as an appointment-setter and gopher in a surgeon's office (elective procedures only, not a trauma surgeon or cardiac or neuro or anything like that). This office is affiliated with a large local medical center. The large medical center is shifting my relative over to work triage for incoming patients (in an ER? not sure). This relative is petrified and doesn't feel skilled enough to work triage.

What I think is happening is that this relative is essentially going to be asking incoming patients questions and recording the responses into a computer triage system. I'm sure an actual RN or someone with experience will be making the actual who-goes-where triage calls. Still, it's a small example that some people in the medical field will likely be asked to take on unfamiliar roles.

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2 minutes ago, comfortably numb said:

 On this note what is the thought process with donating blood

 A coworker of mine does a blood drive and it has been canceled and he asked If he could have it at our facility.

 My initial thought was of course not why would we want to have people brought together But now I'm wondering if it's needed and should be done

They are anticipating shortages so they're encouraging people to go and follow all the safety precautions. 

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5 minutes ago, CR69 said:

My boss is in Mexico right now. Just let him know about this, they weren't scheduled to come home until Saturday. 

Yeah, best he bolt if he can get a ticket sooner.

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41 minutes ago, msommer said:
43 minutes ago, shader said:

If New York were a country, it would have moved up to 9th on the countries with the most cases.  4,159

What do we know about testing policy and availability?

 

Friend in upstate NY just checked in. Spouse was notified yesterday morning that a coworker tested positive at their work site. Was fine most of the day yesterday, then last night around 10pm had a severe temperature spike to 101, dry coughing, and shortness of breath. By 2am no choice but the ER. Was told they're likely on "day 3" and that the worst comes at "day 10", and to check back then. Be prepared to be intubated. But they're not bad enough to be admitted, and they won't test until they are.

1 anecdotal data point.

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2 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

De Blasio just said that 80% of people that get this will barely even know they have it 

Did he remember to add " the other 20%, though. Ay, caramba!!!"?

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5 minutes ago, msommer said:

Did he remember to add " the other 20%, though. Ay, caramba!!!"?

Sort of, and was saying how 70 and older are worst risk

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8 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

De Blasio just said that 80% of people that get this will barely even know they have it 

I've been reluctant to post anything that my doctor buddy has been telling me, but he feels the "actual infected" will be a huge number, as this suggests.

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Wife's hospital just sent out an email that layoffs are coming.  The real kicker is that you have to use all of your PTO if you claim unemployment.  So if you get brought back you start at 0.

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32 minutes ago, CR69 said:

I don't think $1k per adult is even close to enough. How does that help people that live in high cost of living areas? Also, just because someone WAS making six figures last year doesn't mean they are right now. Think about all of the people in the casino, travel, restaurant, etc industries that are seeing 50-80% drops in their income overnight. 

I say screw the companies that spent their tax breaks on stock buybacks and give AT LEAST $2,500 to every adult. 

I dont understand this, $1k free extra money is not enough?  What if this wasnt a pandemic and they lost their job for other reasons?  Do they expect the govt to foot the bill for their "high cost of living areas"?

Look, im as liberal as they come, but if someone cant afford to live somewhere when times are tough, maybe they shouldnt be living there?

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9 minutes ago, Walking Boot said:

 

Friend in upstate NY just checked in. Spouse was notified yesterday morning that a coworker tested positive at their work site. Was fine most of the day yesterday, then last night around 10pm had a severe temperature spike to 101, dry coughing, and shortness of breath. By 2am no choice but the ER. Was told they're likely on "day 3" and that the worst comes at "day 10", and to check back then. Be prepared to be intubated. But they're not bad enough to be admitted, and they won't test until they are.

1 anecdotal data point.

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Sorry folks, state's closed. Mouse out front shoulda told ya.

 

THE PARTY IS OVER': Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is telling tourists that the Sunshine State is closed for Spring Break: "Maybe come back next year when things are better, but that is not what we're looking for here in the state of Florida." 

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12 minutes ago, comfortably numb said:

 On this note what is the thought process with donating blood

 A coworker of mine does a blood drive and it has been canceled and he asked If he could have it at our facility.

 My initial thought was of course not why would we want to have people brought together But now I'm wondering if it's needed and should be done

Several articles just today asking for donations as the need is expected to rise. My question is, can the blood be tested? Someone with the virus but no symptoms would potentially pass along a blood bag full of CV, no?

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