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25 minutes ago, shader said:

They are probably over the hump.  The question now turns into an economic one.  Now that they've halted (for the moment) absolute disaster in terms of this spreading throughout the country...how long does it take them to get back to business as usual?  2 weeks?  4? Two months?  When will they open their borders?  When will the economic impacts begin to outweigh the impacts that the virus directly had. 

I've long been convinced that this virus will never kill as many people as the flu does, despite the fact that it's 20-50 times more dangerous than the flu.  Countries (except for arguably the United States) are taking it extremely seriously, as they should.  But for me this will soon move to a question of what this does to the world in general, from an economic perspective.  I'm not talking about an "omg my 401k is going down" perspective, but a "I lost my job and I can't provide for my family and we are now broke and homeless" perspective.

Looking only at the health front, there is risk that letting people back out and about that there will be active cases still around and things pick back up. Certainly if they open the borders, they risk a foreigner bring stuff back in. And the biggest concern for anywhere is that in the fall / winter a mutated version comes back and starts infected younger people like the flu did in 1918. Also, we still don't know if people can be re-infected at a later date (although I think most would say no on that front but hard to tell 100%). With all those concerns, how can you put a phased timeline of how to move forward?

An article I linked yesterday about Fedex drivers dealt with some of the issues we are having here. The drivers and package handlers need money to keep their families afloat. Some workers are sick and management has told them to suck it up and get back to work. Others have said virus or no virus they are going to work, and even if they took time to check to see if they were positive they wouldn't tell anyone and they would continue to work anyway.

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14 hours ago, DrJ said:

It's gotta beat the flu before it even becomes a deal let alone a big deal.

 No that's not an answer. 
 

Please provide the requested numbers for 1, 2, and 3.

"How many 1) cases / 2) hospitalizations / 3) deaths would qualify for a big deal? "

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7 minutes ago, jplvr said:

I don't know about January, but we really should have been prepping hard by mid-February for sure. Then again, I just looked through a smaller forum where it was basically me and 3-5 other people talking about it for a while, and I just came across this post from February 24th.

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World Health Organisation Director-General says “for the moment we are not witnessing the uncontained global spread of this virus and we are not witnessing large-scale deaths” adding “using the word pandemic does not fit the facts”

CDC around that time was starting to warn properly (post from Feb 25), but not much before that I see. I agree our response was limited, but when I first started following this, it seemed to me there were a lot more people, especially doctors that I know, who were downplaying this whole thing. When I first popped into this thread, there seemed to be a sizable portion of flu-bros even here. We have talked about that, and I don't see any reason to call out anyone. About the only country which seemed to handle testing well was South Korea.

Honestly, now that I look over that small sample size, it was really only in late February that I'd use for the time frame that I think people should've really been heeding warnings, and that wouldn't have been too much of a help, I don't think. Also, I think testing would be a help, but only in making people see they need to heed the current warnings, closures, distancing rules, etc.

Thanks for posting this.  There's a lot of armchair doctors in this thread butt hurt because the federal government didn't have a crystal ball and a Harry Potter wand.

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1 hour ago, Anarchy99 said:

One thing I was going to ask was back when this started in China, they had guys in hazmat suits with tanker trucks of disinfectant going around spraying and hosing down pretty much anything they could get to. Have we been doing that at all in the US? I have not heard of much in the way of major decontamination efforts and crews going out and cleansing places from ceiling to floor.

I've not seen it. You'd think if this was a war we'd go on offense at some point instead of just waiting it out. 

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LAUSD Los Angeles schools closed till May 1 now. 

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19 minutes ago, JAA said:

Im 75% sure I had it back in early Feb.  When the anti-body tests come out Ill be first in line.

I think that's plausible. I did find it funny waking up one day last week, and everyone and their brother were claiming to have it from as early as November through December. January is probably a grey area for the U.S., but I'd get that test if I had something similar in February, without a doubt.

 

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10 minutes ago, [icon] said:

 No that's not an answer. 
 

Please provide the requested numbers for 1, 2, and 3.

"How many 1) cases / 2) hospitalizations / 3) deaths would qualify for a big deal? "

It actually is an answer because you could get numbers for the flu for each of those.   

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1 hour ago, GoBirds said:

Do you know where to find the official link by chance to understand essential/non essential so we know if we can continue to work if you know you can follow all social distancing requirements?

Been looking for an hour, don’t think they e posted yet.  Goes into effect tomorrow night 

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Just now, Ted Lange as your Bartender said:

PA extended school closures an additional 2 weeks through 4/9 (4/10 is Good Friday).

im guessing they’re shutdown for the rest of the school year but they’ll announce it 2 weeks at a time

Newsom has already all but said they won't open before summer. 

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Not official but a good article on what's essential:

 

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So what jobs are considered essential? Below is a list provided by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

HEALTHCARE/PUBLIC HEALTH

Workers providing COVID-19 testing and workers who perform critical clinical research needed for COVID-19 response

Caregivers (e.g., physicians, dentists, psychologists, mid-level practitioners, nurses and assistants, infection control and quality assurance personnel, pharmacists, physical and occupational therapists and assistants, social workers, speech pathologists and diagnostic and therapeutic technicians and technologists)

Hospital and laboratory personnel (including accounting, administrative, admitting and discharge, engineering, epidemiological, source plasma and blood donation, food service, housekeeping, medical records, information technology and operational technology, nutritionists, sanitarians, respiratory therapists, etc.)

Workers in other medical facilities (including ambulatory health and surgical, blood banks, clinics, community mental health, comprehensive outpatient rehabilitation, end stage renal disease, health departments, home health care, hospices, hospitals, long term care, organ pharmacies, procurement organizations, psychiatric residential, rural health clinics and federally qualified health centers)

Manufacturers, technicians, logistics and warehouse operators, and distributors of medical equipment, personal protective equipment (PPE), medical gases, pharmaceuticals, blood and blood products, vaccines, testing materials, laboratory supplies, cleaning, sanitizing, disinfecting or sterilization supplies, and tissue and paper towel products

Public health / community health workers, including those who compile, model, analyze and communicate public health information

Blood and plasma donors and the employees of the organizations who operate and manage related activities

Workers who manage health plans, billing, and health information, who cannot practically work remotely

Workers who conduct community-based public health functions, conducting epidemiologic surveillance, compiling, analyzing and communicating public health information, who cannot practically work remotely

Workers performing cybersecurity functions at healthcare and public health facilities, who cannot practically work remotely

Workers conducting research critical to COVID-19 response

Workers performing security, incident management and emergency operations functions at or on behalf of healthcare entities including healthcare coalitions, who cannot practically work remotely

Workers who support food, shelter, and social services, and other necessities of life for economically disadvantaged or otherwise needy individuals, such as those residing in shelters

Pharmacy employees necessary for filling prescriptions

Workers performing mortuary services, including funeral homes, crematoriums, and cemetery workers

Workers who coordinate with other organizations to ensure the proper recovery, handling, identification, transportation, tracking, storage, and disposal of human remains and personal effects; certify cause of death; and facilitate access to mental/behavioral health services to the family members, responders, and survivors of an incident

LAW ENFORCEMENT/PUBLIC SAFETY/FIRST RESPONDERS

Personnel in emergency management, law enforcement, emergency management systems, fire, and corrections, including front line and management

Emergency Medical Technicians

911 call center employees

Fusion center employees

Hazardous material responders from government and the private sector.

Workers – including contracted vendors -- who maintain digital systems infrastructure supporting law enforcement and emergency service operations.

FOOD AND AGRICULTURE

Workers supporting groceries, pharmacies and other retail that sells food and beverage products

Restaurant carry-out and quick serve food operations - Carry-out and delivery food employees

Food manufacturer employees and their supplier employees—to include those employed in food processing (packers, meat processing, cheese plants, milk plants, produce, etc.) facilities; livestock, poultry, seafood slaughter facilities; pet and animal feed processing facilities; human food facilities producing by-products for animal food; beverage production facilities; and the production of food packaging

Farm workers to include those employed in animal food, feed, and ingredient production, packaging, and distribution; manufacturing, packaging, and distribution of veterinary drugs; truck delivery and transport; farm and fishery labor needed to produce our food supply domestically

Farm workers and support service workers to include those who field crops; commodity inspection; fuel ethanol facilities; storage facilities; and other agricultural inputs

Employees and firms supporting food, feed, and beverage distribution, including warehouse workers, vendor-managed inventory controllers and blockchain managers

Workers supporting the sanitation of all food manufacturing processes and operations from wholesale to retail

Company cafeterias - in-plant cafeterias used to feed employees

Workers in food testing labs in private industries and in institutions of higher education

Workers essential for assistance programs and government payments

Employees of companies engaged in the production of chemicals, medicines, vaccines, and other substances used by the food and agriculture industry, including pesticides, herbicides, fertilizers, minerals, enrichments, and other agricultural production aids

Animal agriculture workers to include those employed in veterinary health; manufacturing and distribution of animal medical materials, animal vaccines, animal drugs, feed ingredients, feed, and bedding, etc.; transportation of live animals, animal medical materials; transportation of deceased animals for disposal; raising of animals for food; animal production operations; slaughter and packing plants and associated regulatory and government workforce

Workers who support the manufacture and distribution of forest products, including, but not limited to timber, paper, and other wood products

Employees engaged in the manufacture and maintenance of equipment and other infrastructure necessary to agricultural production and distribution

ELECTRICITY INDUSTRY

Workers who maintain, ensure, or restore the generation, transmission, and distribution of electric power, including call centers, utility workers, reliability engineers and fleet maintenance technicians

Workers needed for safe and secure operations at nuclear generation

Workers at generation, transmission and electric blackstart facilities

Workers at Reliability Coordinator (RC), Balancing Authorities (BA), and primary and backup Control Centers (CC), including but not limited to independent system operators, regional transmission organizations, and balancing authorities

Mutual assistance personnel

IT and OT technology staff – for EMS (Energy Management Systems) and Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition (SCADA) systems, and utility data centers; Cybersecurity engineers; cybersecurity risk management

Vegetation management crews and traffic workers who support

Environmental remediation/monitoring technicians

Instrumentation, protection, and control technicians

PETROLEUM WORKERS

Petroleum product storage, pipeline, marine transport, terminals, rail transport, road transport

Crude oil storage facilities, pipeline, and marine transport

Petroleum refinery facilities

Petroleum security operations center employees and workers who support emergency response services

Petroleum operations control rooms/centers

Petroleum drilling, extraction, production, processing, refining, terminal operations, transporting, and retail for use as end-use fuels or feedstocks for chemical manufacturing

Onshore and offshore operations for maintenance and emergency response

Retail fuel centers such as gas stations and truck stops, and the distribution systems that support them

NATURAL/PROPANE GAS WORKERS

Natural gas transmission and distribution pipelines, including compressor stations

Underground storage of natural gas

Natural gas processing plants, and those that deal with natural gas liquids

Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) facilities

Natural gas security operations center, natural gas operations dispatch and control rooms/centers natural gas emergency response and customer emergencies, including natural gas leak calls

Drilling, production, processing, refining, and transporting natural gas for use as end-use fuels, feedstocks for chemical manufacturing, or use in electricity generation

Propane gas dispatch and control rooms and emergency response and customer emergencies, including propane leak calls

Propane gas service maintenance and restoration, including call centers

Processing, refining, and transporting natural liquids, including propane gas, for use as end-use fuels or feedstocks for chemical manufacturing

Propane gas storage, transmission, and distribution centers

WATER AND WASTEWATER

Employees needed to operate and maintain drinking water and wastewater/drainage infrastructure, including:

Operational staff at water authorities

Operational staff at community water systems

Operational staff at wastewater treatment facilities

Workers repairing water and wastewater conveyances and performing required sampling or monitoring

Operational staff for water distribution and testing

Operational staff at wastewater collection facilities

Operational staff and technical support for SCADA Control systems

Chemical disinfectant suppliers for wastewater and personnel protection

Workers that maintain digital systems infrastructure supporting water and wastewater operations

TRANSPORTATION AND LOGISTICS

Employees supporting or enabling transportation functions, including dispatchers, maintenance and repair technicians, warehouse workers, truck stop and rest area workers, and workers that maintain and inspect infrastructure (including those that require cross-border travel)

Employees of firms providing services that enable logistics operations, including cooling, storing, packaging, and distributing products for wholesale or retail sale or use.

Mass transit workers

Workers responsible for operating dispatching passenger, commuter and freight trains and maintaining rail infrastructure and equipment

Maritime transportation workers - port workers, mariners, equipment operators

Truck drivers who haul hazardous and waste materials to support critical infrastructure, capabilities, functions, and services

Automotive repair and maintenance facilities

Manufacturers and distributors (to include service centers and related operations) of packaging materials, pallets, crates, containers, and other supplies needed to support manufacturing, packaging staging and distribution operations

Postal and shipping workers, to include private companies

Employees who repair and maintain vehicles, aircraft, rail equipment, marine vessels, and the equipment and infrastructure that enables operations that encompass movement of cargo and passengers

Air transportation employees, including air traffic controllers, ramp personnel, aviation security, and aviation management

Workers who support the maintenance and operation of cargo by air transportation, including flight crews, maintenance, airport operations, and other on- and off- airport facilities workers

PUBLIC WORKS

Workers who support the operation, inspection, and maintenance of essential dams, locks and levees

Workers who support the operation, inspection, and maintenance of essential public works facilities and operations, including bridges, water and sewer main breaks, fleet maintenance personnel, construction of critical or strategic infrastructure, traffic signal maintenance, emergency location services for buried utilities, maintenance of digital systems infrastructure supporting public works operations, and other emergent issues

Workers such as plumbers, electricians, exterminators, and other service providers who provide services that are necessary to maintaining the safety, sanitation, and essential operation of residences

Support, such as road and line clearing, to ensure the availability of needed facilities, transportation, energy and communications

Support to ensure the effective removal, storage, and disposal of residential and commercial solid waste and hazardous waste

COMMUNICATIONS AND INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY

Maintenance of communications infrastructure- including privately owned and maintained communication systems- supported by technicians, operators, call-centers, wireline and wireless providers, cable service providers, satellite operations, undersea cable landing stations, Internet Exchange Points, and manufacturers and distributors of communications equipment

Workers who support radio, television, and media service, including, but not limited to front line news reporters, studio, and technicians for newsgathering and reporting

Workers at Independent System Operators and Regional Transmission Organizations, and Network Operations staff, engineers and/or technicians to manage the network or operate facilities

Engineers, technicians and associated personnel responsible for infrastructure construction and restoration, including contractors for construction and engineering of fiber optic cables

Installation, maintenance and repair technicians that establish, support or repair service as needed

Central office personnel to maintain and operate central office, data centers, and other network office facilities

Customer service and support staff, including managed and professional services as well as remote providers of support to transitioning employees to set up and maintain home offices, who interface with customers to manage or support service environments and security issues, including payroll, billing, fraud, and troubleshooting

Dispatchers involved with service repair and restoration

Information Technology

Workers who support command centers, including, but not limited to Network Operations Command Center, Broadcast Operations Control Center and Security Operations Command Center

Data center operators, including system administrators, HVAC & electrical engineers, security personnel, IT managers, data transfer solutions engineers, software and hardware engineers, and database administrators

Client service centers, field engineers, and other technicians supporting critical infrastructure, as well as manufacturers and supply chain vendors that provide hardware and software, and information technology equipment (to include microelectronics and semiconductors) for critical infrastructure

Workers responding to cyber incidents involving critical infrastructure, including medical facilities, SLTT governments and federal facilities, energy and utilities, and banks and financial institutions, and other critical infrastructure categories and personnel

Workers supporting the provision of essential global, national and local infrastructure for computing services (incl. cloud computing services), business infrastructure, web-based services, and critical manufacturing

Workers supporting communications systems and information technology used by law enforcement, public safety, medical, energy and other critical industries

Support required for continuity of services, including janitorial/cleaning personnel

RELATED: Where can I go? What does a ‘stay-at-home’ order mean?

OTHER COMMUNITY-BASED GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS AND ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS

Workers to ensure continuity of building functions

Security staff to maintain building access control and physical security measures

Elections personnel

Federal, State, and Local, Tribal, and Territorial employees who support Mission Essential Functions and communications networks

Trade Officials (FTA negotiators; international data flow administrators)

Weather forecasters

Workers that maintain digital systems infrastructure supporting other critical government operations

Workers at operations centers necessary to maintain other essential functions

Workers who support necessary credentialing, vetting and licensing operations for transportation workers

Customs workers who are critical to facilitating trade in support of the national emergency response supply chain

Educators supporting public and private K-12 schools, colleges, and universities for purposes of facilitating distance learning or performing other essential functions, if operating under rules for social distancing

Hotel Workers where hotels are used for COVID-19 mitigation and containment measures

CRITICAL MANUFACTURING

Workers necessary for the manufacturing of materials and products needed for medical supply chains, transportation, energy, communications, food and agriculture, chemical manufacturing, nuclear facilities, the operation of dams, water and wastewater treatment, emergency services, and the defense industrial base.

HAZARDOUS MATERIALS

Workers at nuclear facilities, workers managing medical waste, workers managing waste from pharmaceuticals and medical material production, and workers at laboratories processing test kits

Workers who support hazardous materials response and cleanup

Workers who maintain digital systems infrastructure supporting hazardous materials management operations

FINANCIAL SERVICES

 Workers who are needed to process and maintain systems for processing financial transactions and services (e.g., payment, clearing, and settlement; wholesale funding; insurance services; and capital markets activities)

Workers who are needed to provide consumer access to banking and lending services, including ATMs, and to move currency and payments (e.g., armored cash carriers)

Workers who support financial operations, such as those staffing data and security operations centers

CHEMICAL

Workers supporting the chemical and industrial gas supply chains, including workers at chemical manufacturing plants, workers in laboratories, workers at distribution facilities, workers who transport basic raw chemical materials to the producers of industrial and consumer goods, including hand sanitizers, food and food additives, pharmaceuticals, textiles, and paper products.

Workers supporting the safe transportation of chemicals, including those supporting tank truck cleaning facilities and workers who manufacture packaging items

Workers supporting the production of protective cleaning and medical solutions, personal protective equipment, and packaging that prevents the contamination of food, water, medicine, among others essential products

Workers supporting the operation and maintenance of facilities (particularly those with high risk chemicals and/or sites that cannot be shut down) whose work cannot be done remotely and requires the presence of highly trained personnel to ensure safe operations, including plant contract workers who provide inspections

Workers who support the production and transportation of chlorine and alkali manufacturing, single-use plastics, and packaging that prevents the contamination or supports the continued manufacture of food, water, medicine, and other essential products, including glass container manufacturing

DEFENSE INDUSTRIAL BASE

Workers who support the essential services required to meet national security commitments to the federal government and U.S. Military. These individuals, include but are not limited to, aerospace; mechanical and software engineers, manufacturing/production workers; IT support; security staff; security personnel; intelligence support, aircraft and weapon system mechanics and maintainers

Personnel working for companies, and their subcontractors, who perform under contract to the Department of Defense providing materials and services to the Department of Defense, and government-owned/contractor-operated and government-owned/government-operated facilities

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22 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

Italy puts out a pretty informative breakdown every few days. Does the US have anything like this yet?

It's only informative if you can read Italian 😄 

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One er doc says if you have a high fever and or shortness of breath you should go in after notifying your doc's office.

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4 minutes ago, NorvilleBarnes said:

Not official but a good article on what's essential:

 

LINK

 

 

Soooooo.......everybody but Zumba instructors?

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2 minutes ago, DrJ said:

It actually is an answer because you could get numbers for the flu for each of those.   

There are several differences between the virus and the flu. At this stage of evolution, we know when the flu hits, how many people it effects, and it's spaced out over a 6+ month period. It usually is spread out across the country and not just in key spots. Yes, it claims 30-40,000 lives a year, but that is spread out over time and across a lot of places. People can get flu shots and in general it doesn't spread at a hyper-accelerated rate.

COVID uncontained can claim 500-1000 lives in a region a day if it gets bad enough. For now, there isn't a vaccine to give everyone, and it's starting to impact younger people too. If it got into big metro areas with an impact like Italy, it could start wiping out people at the rate it did in Italy multiplied by the number of cities it's in. So it could kill more people than the flu does in a year but in a month (and keep spreading).

In the places that get a bad outbreak, it will end up killing other people indirectly because there will be no hospital beds available, the healthcare workers may not be available, and people with other medical concerns will die as a result.

That being said, I have always been a little suspicious of the projections for the virus, as some of them seem like they are coming up with huge numbers that haven't presented themselves yet. Maybe they are expecting people not to follow directives and for it to keep spreading, who knows. But there is a lot of ground to cover to get from "thousands of positive tests" to "hundreds of thousands of fatalities."

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I think my wife and I may have had it in early February too.  Wife and I babysat for our great nephews because their mom was a little sick with fever.  Two days later, the kids had it and Mom was better.  She took them to urgent care where they tested negative for influenza.  Two days later, Mom goes back to work and my wife takes care of older great nephew who still had fever and couldn't go to day care.  Two days later, wife has fever and coughing.  Two days after, I get a fever (with no other symptoms).  Wife had fever for five days and coughing for two weeks.  I had fever for five days and then felt fine.  I spent super bowl Sunday on the couch, with a 101 fever.

Niece and great nephews had no symptoms except fever, like me.  My wife coughed badly.  

I am guessing it probably was the flu, but owing to the great nephews negative flu tests and the duration of the fever on us old folks, while younger ones recovered quickly makes me want to have a test.

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1 hour ago, GoBirds said:

Do you know where to find the official link by chance to understand essential/non essential so we know if we can continue to work if you know you can follow all social distancing requirements?

Link to the EO-

  

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Gov. DeSantis here in Florida just had a press conference and said he doesn't think a shelter in place is necessary for FL. 

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Oklahoma has canceled school for the rest of the year.  

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9 minutes ago, Sheriff Bart said:

Soooooo.......everybody but Zumba instructors?

nah, Gronk gotta get paid somehow.

 

seriously though, these lists of essential services are ridiculous.

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3 minutes ago, worrierking said:

I think my wife and I may have had it in early February too.  Wife and I babysat for our great nephews because their mom was a little sick with fever.  Two days later, the kids had it and Mom was better.  She took them to urgent care where they tested negative for influenza.  Two days later, Mom goes back to work and my wife takes care of older great nephew who still had fever and couldn't go to day care.  Two days later, wife has fever and couching.  Two days after, I get a fever (with no other symptoms).  Wife had fever for five days and coughing for two weeks.  I had fever for five days and then felt fine.  I spent super bowl Sunday on the couch, with a 101 fever.

Niece and great nephews had no symptoms except fever, like me.  My wife coughed badly.  

I am guessing it probably was the flu, but owing to the great nephews negative flu tests and the duration of the fever on us old folks, while younger ones recovered quickly makes me want to have a test.

Who knows....maybe I had it too?

I had the flu in early March (confirmed Flu A via swab at urgent care). At the time, no test available for Covid19. I've been okay for the most part but I did have the dry cough they talk about. My wife and family haven't shown any symptoms so maybe not. Who the hell knows.

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1 hour ago, Anarchy99 said:

One thing I was going to ask was back when this started in China, they had guys in hazmat suits with tanker trucks of disinfectant going around spraying and hosing down pretty much anything they could get to. Have we been doing that at all in the US? I have not heard of much in the way of major decontamination efforts and crews going out and cleansing places from ceiling to floor.

Those were the images that got me fully taking this virus seriously.

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2 minutes ago, NotSmart said:

Those were the images that got me fully taking this virus seriously.

Maybe it was just propaganda by the Chinese government to get their residents to realize how serious it was and how much the government was doing to try to correct and eliminate the problem. Who knows . . . maybe they did that as a photo op and never hosed down anything else beyond that one time.

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8 minutes ago, eoMMan said:

Gov. DeSantis here in Florida just had a press conference and said he doesn't think a shelter in place is necessary for FL. 

Grr. 

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1 minute ago, Anarchy99 said:

Maybe it was just propaganda by the Chinese government to get their residents to realize how serious it was and how much the government was doing to try to correct and eliminate the problem. Who knows . . . maybe they did that as a photo op and never hosed down anything else beyond that one time.

Maybe it was just steam they were spraying around.   We'll never know, but, it showed an "effort".

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2 hours ago, Keerock said:

Stay-at-home order in Michigan and I've basically told our HR and ELT that everyone in our Michigan office will be WFH.  We are a global company HQed in Dallas so until TX has an order, they don't "get it".  Only on-site staff will be 1 at a time to monitor the data center.

@KeerockIf it helps, Dallas county is shelter at home starting today. First place in TX I believe. https://www.texastribune.org/2020/03/22/dallas-county-coronavirus-prompts-officials-issue-shelter-place-order/

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9 minutes ago, SHIZNITTTT said:

Oklahoma has canceled school for the rest of the year.  

Completely cancelled?  They aren't moving to any sort of online environment to finish the year?

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56 minutes ago, Statorama said:

Thanks for posting this.  There's a lot of armchair doctors in this thread butt hurt because the federal government didn't have a crystal ball and a Harry Potter wand.

Crystal ball?  We are about 3-5 weeks behind where we should be.  That doesnt require a crystal ball.

In addition, Im sure the current leaders had tremendous more information that we didnt know about, maybe not even the WHO.  We dont even know if it was shared with the CDC.

However, none of this matters.  None of it, not even worth talking about until November.

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8 minutes ago, the moops said:

Grr. 

Try living here 

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18 minutes ago, Galileo said:

If they really want to help Ohio, they should sell the Browns to someone who can run a professional football franchise!

I could take 12-15 FBGs and make it a model NFL team.

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22 minutes ago, worrierking said:

I think my wife and I may have had it in early February too.  Wife and I babysat for our great nephews because their mom was a little sick with fever.  Two days later, the kids had it and Mom was better.  She took them to urgent care where they tested negative for influenza.  Two days later, Mom goes back to work and my wife takes care of older great nephew who still had fever and couldn't go to day care.  Two days later, wife has fever and coughing.  Two days after, I get a fever (with no other symptoms).  Wife had fever for five days and coughing for two weeks.  I had fever for five days and then felt fine.  I spent super bowl Sunday on the couch, with a 101 fever.

Niece and great nephews had no symptoms except fever, like me.  My wife coughed badly.  

I am guessing it probably was the flu, but owing to the great nephews negative flu tests and the duration of the fever on us old folks, while younger ones recovered quickly makes me want to have a test.

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19 minutes ago, eoMMan said:

Gov. DeSantis here in Florida just had a press conference and said he doesn't think a shelter in place is necessary for FL. 

Makes sense. No old people in Florida.

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Georgia with no lock down, but banned gatherings of 10 or more. How that's enforceable, I don't know.

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11 minutes ago, Galileo said:

Completely cancelled?  They aren't moving to any sort of online environment to finish the year?

Technically the state school board has not voted on it yet.  They will do so Wednesday.  Our state superintendent is recommending school closures for the year.  There will be online learning.  

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1 hour ago, Joe Bryant said:

Both of you please drop the politics in this. We have an entire forum where people ruin threads arguing politics. Take it there please. 

Thank you Joe

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38 minutes ago, jplvr said:

I think that's plausible. I did find it funny waking up one day last week, and everyone and their brother were claiming to have it from as early as November through December. January is probably a grey area for the U.S., but I'd get that test if I had something similar in February, without a doubt.

 

I can tell you the exact day I started with symptoms, Jan 27.  I went for a long run and had 2 severe bear attacks (GI distress :bag:).  While 1 attack can happen time to time, never 2.  From that day forward I was wasted.  Whats funny is that I used to be "pretty sure" I had it, but now that the symptoms about no taste/smell are coming out that was me times a million.  I also had a low grade fever (~100) and a wicked sore throat.  I eventually went to urgent care because I couldnt speak and was tested for strep (returned negative) because of the sore throat.  I was never tested for the flu, but with my symptoms no one thought it was.  I was out of work a full week.  It took me about 2 weeks to get back to full speed.

No one in my household showed symptoms though (wife plus 3 teenagers).  I did a pretty good job of separating myself, but Im super curious to see antibody tests for my entire family.

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Just now, Capella said:

Try living here 

I can't see how Florida isn't exploding right now. You're telling me Spring Breakers didn't stop by the retirement community to see Nana on their way home from Spring Break? Just a bad situation, demographically, regardless.

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43 minutes ago, DrJ said:

It actually is an answer because you could get numbers for the flu for each of those.   

wrong again, please stop

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23 minutes ago, worrierking said:

I think my wife and I may have had it in early February too.  Wife and I babysat for our great nephews because their mom was a little sick with fever.  Two days later, the kids had it and Mom was better.  She took them to urgent care where they tested negative for influenza.  Two days later, Mom goes back to work and my wife takes care of older great nephew who still had fever and couldn't go to day care.  Two days later, wife has fever and coughing.  Two days after, I get a fever (with no other symptoms).  Wife had fever for five days and coughing for two weeks.  I had fever for five days and then felt fine.  I spent super bowl Sunday on the couch, with a 101 fever.

Niece and great nephews had no symptoms except fever, like me.  My wife coughed badly.  

I am guessing it probably was the flu, but owing to the great nephews negative flu tests and the duration of the fever on us old folks, while younger ones recovered quickly makes me want to have a test.

I had a respiratory illness with most of the classic  C19 symptoms except high fever and body aches from mid December through early January.

First time I've had an illness like that.

I'm definitely interested in the antibody test.

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13 minutes ago, Galileo said:

Completely cancelled?  They aren't moving to any sort of online environment to finish the year?

rumor is some type of online learning.      Very poor state outside of Tulsa and Oklahoma City.   Many people do not have internet per report so we will see. 

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So we have been baby sitting my daughter's newborn to help save them money. Our son in law just texted us that someone he works with has had close contact with someone who has been tested positive for the virus. I guess we should quarenteen ourselves now? But I wonder about the baby should he stay with us at our house if his dad is positive. But what happens if we get it. Really a little worried now.

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4 minutes ago, jplvr said:

I can't see how Florida isn't exploding right now. You're telling me Spring Breakers didn't stop by the retirement community to see Nana on their way home from Spring Break? Just a bad situation, demographically, regardless.

Give it a week

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Just now, Capella said:

Give it a week

I'm guessing this week.

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16 minutes ago, Capella said:

Give it a week

Desantis: Huge amount of New Yorkers flying to Florida

While speaking Monday about whether he will lock down the state of Florida, Gov. Ron DeSantis said “huge amounts” of New Yorkers are flying to Florida despite the stay-at-home order they are currently under.

DeSantis said there were over 190 flights from the New York City area to Florida airports on Monday. 

“A lot of people fled the city and they’re going to stay with their parents, or they’re flying. We’re getting huge amounts of people flying in and we’re looking at how to address those flights,” DeSantis said.

Edit: also in the article:   Gov. Ron DeSantis said Monday that he will sign an executive order that will force anyone who travels from New York or New Jersey to Florida to self-isolate for two weeks immediately after they land in the state.

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5 minutes ago, jplvr said:

I can't see how Florida isn't exploding right now. You're telling me Spring Breakers didn't stop by the retirement community to see Nana on their way home from Spring Break? Just a bad situation, demographically, regardless.

A lot of the students here Spring Break elsewhere. A lot of the out of state students aren't getting tested. And yes, I'm telling you the spring breakers don't stop by the retirement community to see Nana. They're just trying to stagger back to the airport.  But I do expect Florida to get bad.

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