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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (10 Viewers)

I don't trust numbers and information coming out of China. Specifically I don't believe China has the coronavirus under control.

ETA: How do you quotes with nested quotes?
Read the exponential math post that Gianmarco posted. If they hadn’t eradicated it, their country would have literally fallen apart.  But it hasn’t, they are opening it back up. What they did worked.  Just because there are riots from people angry about the chinese government oppressing them doesn’t mean their efforts to stop the disease didn’t work.  Because they did significantly halt it.  
 

I have no idea what your experience with the WHO is or whether it’s relevant to the situation at hand. But their 40 page pdf remains the best single document on this virus that I’ve read and it has held up remarkably well as the virus has advanced throughout the world. 
 

 
Recovered-patient plasma has been brought up or asked about at least a dozen times today. Did any popular radio hosts make it a talking point recently?

I have a bad feeling that this treatment is getting treated as an easy “out” by some. “Problem’s solved, let’s get everything opened back up!” There are some major limitations to this kind of therapy. It works, yes, but a single donor can only give so much plasma. And antibody levels drop after a time, so a recovered patient can’t just keep donating plasma forevermore.

 
From a friend living in China:

"It wasn't foreigners. Only 10% of new cases coming in were foreigners, the rest was chinese returning, and they are still allowed.

The numbers have been bullish!t from the very beginning. 

Just look at this article... The chinese government reported 3000 deaths... Which compared to the numbers seen in Italy and Spain, and factoring in things like Healthcare, was absurd. Now 45,000 people are lined up in Wuhan to pick up ashes... 

AsiaNews.it

Wuhan, endless queues for ashesof coronavirus dead cast doubts on numbers

by Lu Haitao

During the epidemic, the dead were cremated immediately, without ceremonies and without specifying the cause of death. Now family members are waiting to bury the urns containing the ashes of their loved ones. About 45,000 urnes will be distributed in Wuhan alone. The number of coronavirus deaths in China is deliberately underestimated. In the days of the peak of the epidemic, the crematory ovens worked for 19 hours a day. Journalists Li Zehua, Fang Bin, Chen Qiushi have disappeared. Photos and videos of queues at Funeral Parlors and cemeteries are blocked on social media.

Wuhan (AsiaNews) - Hundreds, perhaps thousands of people are queuing in front of Funeral Parlors in Wuhan to collect the urns with the ashes of their deceased who died in the coronavirus epidemic during city’s forced isolation.

All those who died during the epidemic were immediately cremated, without any funeral ceremony and without specifying the causes of death. Family members had to wait for the authorities' notice to retrieve the ashes of their loved ones.

On the brink of a profound economic crisis, China is pushing to restore normalcy to the country, and has scheduled the reopening of communications in Wuhan on April 8. A sign of this "normality" is the collection of urns by relatives in preparation for the feast of Qingming, on April 4th, when the tombs of the deceased are honored.

The queues and the dead

The long queues in front of the Funeral Parlors provoke the question of how many coronavirus deaths there really were. So far China has only reported 3298 deaths.

A photo released yesterday on social media (see photo) shows a long line outside the Funeral Parlor in Hankow, a district of Wuhan. Online comments say that people have had to wait for hours while public security and plainclothes policemen were watching that no one took photos. To take the ashes of their deceased, family members had to be escorted by Funeral Parlor staff members or city officials. The comments speak of "a form of surveillance".

Caixin magazine notes that the queue outside Hankow's Funeral Parlor was approximately 200 meters long; thousands of empty urns were unloaded from a truck and stacked in the Funeral Parlor.

Another "funeral hall" in Wuchang (another Wuhan neighborhood) has announced that family members can come to collect the urns with ashes from 23 March. The Funeral Parlor plans to distribute 500 per day, up to Qingming. This means around 6500 urns throughout this period.

Wuhan has seven Funeral Parlors: if it is calculated that each of them will distribute urns at the same rate as the one in Wuchang, it adds up to an estimated 45,500 urns for the city of Wuhan alone.

Perhaps not all of these deaths can be attributed to coronavirus, but it is almost certain that the official figures are purposely underestimated.

A Caixin reporter said earlier that the Funeral Parlor cremation ovens worked for 19 hours a day in February.

Li Zehua, a former CCTV television presenter who came to Wuhan as a freelancer to report on the epidemic, has been arrested and there has been no news of his whereabouts for over a month. Two other journalists have disappeared, Fang Bin and Chen Qiushi: they too were working in Wuhan. Li Zehua reported his visit to the Funeral Parlor in Qingshan between 10 and 11 p.m. on February 19 when the crematoria were still in operation.

Videos also appeared online showing long queues of people outside the Biandanshan cemetery, waiting to bury the ashes of their deceased. But even these photos and videos have been censored and taken down.

In all likelihood the exact number of coronavirus victims will never be known. During the days of the peak of the Wuhan epidemic, the health system collapsed and many patients did not have the opportunity to be hospitalized. They died before any diagnosis and were cremated without being included in official statistics.

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Read the exponential math post that Gianmarco posted. If they hadn’t eradicated it, their country would have literally fallen apart.  But it hasn’t, they are opening it back up. What they did worked.  Just because there are riots from people angry about the chinese government oppressing them doesn’t mean their efforts to stop the disease didn’t work.  Because they did significantly halt it.  
 

I have no idea what your experience with the WHO is or whether it’s relevant to the situation at hand. But their 40 page pdf remains the best single document on this virus that I’ve read and it has held up remarkably well as the virus has advanced throughout the world. 
 
Admittedly not relevant other than to say I'm not just some guy in my moms basement at the keyboard going yknow I just don't trust WHO's data for no reason. There's some life experience and first hand observation behind my skepticism.  Also, you asked.

Try to imagine all of this going on here during our Christmas season, with all of the holiday travel. Seemingly all of America travelling somewhere to be home for the holidays. Now imagine the U.S. has ten cities like New York. Not Portland or NOLA - ten monster cities. The Chinese New Year is like our holiday travel on steroids. The largest human migration on the planet. Hundreds of millions of people. Many going to and from these monster cities. One of them, Wuhan.

If they kicked all the journalists out of New York and Trump got up and said good news no more cases in New York. Would you believe him? If the WHO repeated the report would you believe it?

 
I’m onboard with not posting political stuff here.  

But the fact that the mods have not done a single thing about the pages and pages of bucksoh laughing emojis on some really serious and sad posts is incredible to me, and the exact opposite of “being excellent”.  They’re far more offensive than any political post in this entire thread.
And he's still doing it.

It's disgusting. 

We have thousands dead and he's laughing at posts that discuss this and worse. 

How he's still allowed here and can keep doing that is beyond me.

 
I heard about this a week ago from a source that I didn’t fully trust.  But if recovered people could still transmit the virus, that would obviously be a nightmare.  
So far, it doesn’t seem to be an issue that second-infection carriers are transmitting the virus.

Note that in the NPR article linked, there are some dissenting explanations put forth about the apparent reinfections.

 
I heard about this a week ago from a source that I didn’t fully trust.  But if recovered people could still transmit the virus, that would obviously be a nightmare.  
I've lived in an oppressed country. The government is never truthful or revealing. So I don't trust any scientist, doctor, police, etc there. In Iran if you ragged on them, either you're tossed in jail or worse. We'd get our real news from family over there.

 
A month ago?  And it’s a hotspot now?  
So Fulton/Dekalb County which represents most of metro Atlanta with a population of about 1.7-1.8M, have a combined 563 cases and 14 deaths.  This podunk county in the SW part of the state with a population of fewer than 100k people has 203 cases and 13 deaths.

 
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A month ago?  And it’s a hotspot now?  
That's how epidemics work.

A while ago, it gets spread to a handful of peoplee.  One cycle later, it's doubled (or worse if people are mingling freely).  Several cycles later, which for this disease has meant five day periods in most countries, but less here because we don't take it seriously, you've got a disaster.  That's why experts keep telling even people who feel safe to shelter.  Because as Dr. Fauci repeatedly says, it's always ahead of where you think it is.

 
My bro emailed this to me...

* The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.
* Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.
* The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam).
By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.
* HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 77 degrees Fahrenheit for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.
* Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.
* Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.
* Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.
* NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive.
* NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only
-between 3 hours (fabric and porous),
-4 hours (copper and wood)
-24 hours (cardboard),
- 42 hours (metal) and
-72 hours (plastic).
But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.
* The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars.
They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.
* UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin.
* The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.
* Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.
* NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.
* LISTERINE IF IT SERVES! It is 65% alcohol.
* The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.
* You have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom.
* You have to Moisturize dry hands from so much washing them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.
* Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.
-JOHNS HOPKINS HOSPITAL

HTH

 
This is hitting some black communities hard. 
What worries me now is the concept of ‘flatten the curve’ has been presented to us one-dimensionally.  The curve that matters, the one most relevant to us personally, is our respective local healthcare systems.  The Dougherty County one...I read where they were quoted as saying ‘all 3 of our ICU units are full’.

Dougherty seems to be an outlier at the moment, but if hotspots start hitting rural America...the death rates will increase pretty significantly.

 
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So Fulton/Dekalb County which represents most of metro Atlanta with a population of about 1.7-1.8M, have a combined 563 cases and 14 deaths.  This podunk county in the SW part of the state with a population of fewer than 100k people has 203 cases and 13 deaths.
Might be double that amount as they are waiting on several post mortem tests as well. 

 
I could barely make it through the first section.  The guy seems to be aggressively repeating the same stuff that other people were talking about two months ago and imagining that he's the first person to discover exponential growth.
It reminded of typical clickbait article. 

 
And he's still doing it.

It's disgusting. 

We have thousands dead and he's laughing at posts that discuss this and worse. 

How he's still allowed here and can keep doing that is beyond me.
In fairness, when that feature originally rolled out, the mods didn’t even enable the laughing emoji. A bunch of us pushed for it, because 99% of the uses are in good fun and to uplift spirits, and there’s no sense in letting the trolls win. You guys should just ignore that, because if you don’t, I’m pretty sure the mods will just disable it and say “see, we told you so.” This is why we can’t have nice things. 

Just ignore the trolls. Seriously. 

 
What are your thoughts on trips to Home Depot? There's so much I can be doing around the house but that would require several trips to HD. So frustrating. 

 
What are your thoughts on trips to Home Depot? There's so much I can be doing around the house but that would require several trips to HD. So frustrating. 
If there's something you need to fix, then sure. Ask if it's essential. If not and just looking to get stuff done while you're home, no different than going out to pick up some new games or to Blockbuster to grab a few movies. Or bagels.

 
If there's something you need to fix, then sure. Ask if it's essential. If not and just looking to get stuff done while you're home, no different than going out to pick up some new games or to Blockbuster to grab a few movies. Or bagels.
Definitely not essential. Just frustrating to finally have time to do things around the house and can't do them

 
What worries me now is the concept of ‘flatten the curve’ has been presented to us one-dimensionally.  The curve that matters, the one most relevant to us personally, is our respective local healthcare systems.  The Dougherty County one...I read where they were quoted as saying ‘all 3 of our ICU units are full’.

Dougherty seems to be an outlier at the moment, but if hotspots start hitting rural America...the death rates will increase pretty significantly.
Seems relevant to post this again, addresses your point rather well, wish more people would promote it but this thread moves too fast

https://vimeo.com/397657805

 
I smack my head when I read this. Yes, a month ago. This is why it matters when people ignore the need to distance. It takes days to weeks to incubate. Each infected person passes it to 2-3 others. Exponential growth takes weeks to months, then it absolutely explodes. That’s where we are and without reducing social contact by 90% or more we get runaway trains.
We agree.  I’m just pointing out that any social distancing or self isolation that’s done needs to be done over a month or more, not 15 days.  All that does is delay the problem, not solve it.

 
Welp, this is another example of why MOST people doing the right thing is simply not good enough. 

A woman in town went grocery shopping sick as a dog and coughing up a lung. When people started giving her lip, she said she got tested but has not gotten her test results back yet. So she is refusing to quarantine herself until she is confirmed positive.

There is no cure for stupid.

 
What are your thoughts on trips to Home Depot? There's so much I can be doing around the house but that would require several trips to HD. So frustrating. 
It could seemingly be OK, but in keeping with some of the above detail:

- ideally, wear a mask and gloves while at HD

- let anything you buy sit untouched for 3 days

- wash your clothes in hot water after getting home

- shower after getting home

 
Welp, this is another example of why MOST people doing the right thing is simply not good enough. 

A woman in town went grocery shopping sick as a dog and coughing up a lung. When people started giving her lip, she said she got tested but has not gotten her test results back yet. So she is refusing to quarantine herself until she is confirmed positive.

There is no cure for stupid.
OMG. I’d be furious. She might as well be carrying a knife out and be swinging it around.

 
I went to Home Depot Sunday and it was packed.  I got the custom paint match and got out. 

i figured anything else i need, that i could order online at Lowe's and do a quick pickup.

 
The building where I work sent out a notice that someone who works there tested positive. I haven't been there for some time but I was there after they said the person last accessed it. No worries, it was some time ago now, but it's just a continuation of the pinging that's been going on around here.

 
I flexed a little on my company yesterday saying how it was rewarding to work for them and the things we are doing to assist first responders during this event. My good vibes came back to bite me in the ### last night at 6pm as a I got a call from a supplier that I had contracted with to purchase 240 HEPA air scrubbers to ship to NY and FL. They had been sold out from under us to someone else. So at 6pm on a Friday, going into the weekend during the biggest national crisis we’ve ever responded to, I had to tell my guys we couldn’t deliver product that is helping save lives because some ###### is chasing profits. My heart sank. I’ve lost deals like this in the past, it happens and you move on, make a mental note to scratch whatever company off the list to call next time and go about your day. But this is different. We see the heart wrenching videos every single day of how bad this is, it’s just not the time for chasing $$$.

Anyhow, as I’m wallowing in self pity, not 5 minutes later I get a call from one of my guys in OH...”hey beer, I found some HEPA units and I’d like to get some as we prep for the wave coming our way.” How many I ask, “I would like to get 150 but he has a shipment of 500 coming in Wednesday.” Send him my information and tell him I want all of them. I’m a man of faith, not super hard core but enough to see His hand in things when it happens. I asked for His help after the first call, within 5 minutes I got the second call.

This isn’t a PSA for religion, not trying to convert anyone or push an agenda and that’s not the focus of the post. There is hope. I firmly believe we have not crested the hill on this yet and worse times are ahead but our company has taken to posting daily “wins” so folks have something positive to see. I count this one as a little personal win  :thumbup:

 
It could seemingly be OK, but in keeping with some of the above detail:

- ideally, wear a mask and gloves while at HD

- let anything you buy sit untouched for 3 days

- wash your clothes in hot water after getting home

- shower after getting home
I am definitely not being careful enough.

 
Welp, this is another example of why MOST people doing the right thing is simply not good enough. 

A woman in town went grocery shopping sick as a dog and coughing up a lung. When people started giving her lip, she said she got tested but has not gotten her test results back yet. So she is refusing to quarantine herself until she is confirmed positive.

There is no cure for stupid.
I honestly would have hit her with a pie from the bakery.

 
It could seemingly be OK, but in keeping with some of the above detail:

- ideally, wear a mask and gloves while at HD

- let anything you buy sit untouched for 3 days

- wash your clothes in hot water after getting home

- shower after getting home
Yeah I don't do any of that when I go food shopping. If I get it I get it

 
What are your thoughts on trips to Home Depot? There's so much I can be doing around the house but that would require several trips to HD. So frustrating. 
Stores like Home Depot are open because contractors are considered essential and they need to keep getting supplies. 

Honestly, IMHO "do it yourself" people are just contracting themselves instead of someone else. I have no problem with people doing home improvement work. Getting the supplies to do it is the same as getting groceries. 

Just make good choices to keep your distance from others. 

 
I am definitely not being careful enough.
I’ve taken the role for my family and parents who live not too far away as the sole “go out and get things when needed” guy.  There’s not a single outing (which are limited in quantity) where I don’t at some point screw up the don’t touch your face or other safety hygiene measure and say to myself “welp, guess I have the ‘rona now”

 
Another "would you?" question -

considering inviting bro-in-law & family over for Easter.  Two parents, 3 kids, youngest is an infant and the other 2 are same ages as my kids.  They have been quarantining as much as we have.  SIL is a former nurse and has been taking this very seriously.  They would be traveling 4 hours.

Thoughts?

 
If there is a new set of data points I’ll be tracking this week from a US POV, it’ll be Puerto Rico. They’ve jumped from 64 to 100 cases in two days, which means their rate of infection is likely doubling every 3 days which is not far off what we’re seeing in the Continental US.

Average March temp in PR is 84.

 

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