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27 minutes ago, jb1020 said:

Which one is better?  I just went to Lowe's and Wal Mart and they had N95.  Bought the last 10 between the 2 stores.   

99% filtration vs 95%. 

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1 hour ago, Senor Schmutzig said:

 

Link?

link 20 x n95 for $124 delivered next week.   $6/ea is pretty decent considering every Lowes and Home Depot is out of all n95 masks, which are normally like $20 for a box of 10.

 

these fit 3m N99 replaceable filters.

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28 minutes ago, -fish- said:

link 20 x n95 for $124 delivered next week.   $6/ea is pretty decent considering every Lowes and Home Depot is out of all n95 masks, which are normally like $20 for a box of 10.

 

these fit 3m N99 replaceable filters.

I bought the 5 pack for $35, thanks for the link.

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1 hour ago, Sand said:

The most likely explanation for the origin of this:

https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/

The coincidence that this started right next to China's only BSL4 is mostly likely not.  Amazing that they routinely sell test lab animals.  Reminiscent of mad cow disease, but a whole lot worse.

And you have to love that the officials there just released a new directive - “Instructions on strengthening biosecurity management in microbiology labs that handle advanced viruses like the novel coronavirus.” Yeah, I'm sure that's coincidence, too.

(If this is a Honda, my apologies, no time to read the whole 45 pages).

It's only the third time it's been mentioned :rolleyes:

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19 minutes ago, fantasycurse42 said:

I bought the 5 pack for $35, thanks for the link.

Family of 6 here - somebody is SOL.  Sorry junior.

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7 minutes ago, msommer said:

It's only the third time it's been mentioned :rolleyes:

Has it been said that zerohedge got banned from twitter posting a story about it?

That’s the worst part. 

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6 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

Family of 6 here - somebody is SOL.  Sorry junior.

Remember to put your own mask on first before helping the children...

;) 

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17 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

Family of 6 here - somebody is SOL.  Sorry junior.

Draw straws, go Hunger Games, make it fun, family event :thumbup:

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2 hours ago, Random said:

A month?  Did you look at your local home depot/lowes?  Ours had plenty last I checked.

Out of curiosity I stopped by Home Depot and checked my area - pretty much full stock of all masks, including N95.

I had already stocked up a year ago on masks as part of a prep-kit for my family, but there are still masks to be found right now.

Hopefully this all quiets down and as things warm up the numbers of infections recede.  Doesn't seem likely at this point though.

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2 hours ago, glvsav37 said:

Can you set up a quarantine in your house? I know most of us FBG have some spare wing or guest mansion we could close off and put an infected person, but is there anything a regular plebe could to to minimize Spreading it through the house if a family member has it? 

Best tip would be a room with hard surfaces, or a room adjacent to something like a bathroom. 

Use plastic sheeting to tape off the doorway w a slit to enter. Reseal with Velcro/tape where possible. Make them comfortable in their room. Minimize direct contact or getting closer than necessary. 

When you leave that room, remove mask/goggles/clothing using proper technique and sanitize thoroughly. At the LEAST you'll want to wash hands and face thoroughly with antibacterial soap. 

Sounds overly thorough, but that's the ideal way, from what I understand/have read as a non-professional. 

Having infected folks wearing basic surgical masks would somewhat help contain infective aerosols from coughing/sneezing. 

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9 minutes ago, [icon] said:

Best tip would be a room with hard surfaces, or a room adjacent to something like a bathroom. 

Use plastic sheeting to tape off the doorway w a slit to enter. Reseal with Velcro/tape where possible. Make them comfortable in their room. Minimize direct contact or getting closer than necessary. 

When you leave that room, remove mask/goggles/clothing using proper technique and sanitize thoroughly. At the LEAST you'll want to wash hands and face thoroughly with antibacterial soap. 

Sounds overly thorough, but that's the ideal way, from what I understand/have read as a non-professional. 

Having infected folks wearing basic surgical masks would somewhat help contain infective aerosols from coughing/sneezing. 

Antibacterial soap for a virus?

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1 minute ago, adonis said:

Has anyone seen mortality rate breakdowns by age, gender?

It's hard to get a dataset that isn't tainted by China spin.  

If you are under 50 you are at about as much risk as the flu.  Above 70.  Rip. 

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4 minutes ago, adonis said:

Has anyone seen mortality rate breakdowns by age, gender?

Heard in China it skewed male, but research showed it had to do with much higher risk for smokers. In China 48% of men smoke, while 2% of women do, which may account for the gender difference.

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1 minute ago, culdeus said:

It's hard to get a dataset that isn't tainted by China spin.  

If you are under 50 you are at about as much risk as the flu.  Above 70.  Rip. 

I saw something about 15% over age 80.  Females fare better.  Kids and younger sub 50 folks very low rate.  
 

if that’s true, the numbers for those over 60 have to be shocking.  Has this been discussed much?  A virus without vaccine with a mortality rate in the double digits for folks over 60?

may be off on those numbers which is why I’m asking.

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3 minutes ago, culdeus said:

It's hard to get a dataset that isn't tainted by China spin.  

If you are under 50 you are at about as much risk as the flu.  Above 70.  Rip. 

Also heard that China’s overall mortality rate seems to be validated in other countries.  We’ll see though.

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1 hour ago, msommer said:

It's only the third time it's been mentioned :rolleyes:

Some people don’t live on here and read every post in every thread :rolleyes:

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2 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

Some people don’t live on here and read every post in every thread :rolleyes:

Yes, we know. We’ve frequently referred to those as the people who will die in the first wave. 

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23 hours ago, culdeus said:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/

This describes well what should happen.  Every single one of us is going to get it.  

in the article, Harvard epidemiologist Lipsitch opines that a year from now, 40%-70% of the world's population will be infected with the virus.

let's go with 40%.

let's go with a 2% mortality rate.

google told me that as of Feb. 2020 the U.N. estimates the world population is 7.8 billion.

google told me that 7.8 billion x 40% x 2% = 62,400,000

a year from now

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48 minutes ago, adonis said:

Has anyone seen mortality rate breakdowns by age, gender?

yeah, last i saw, in china, mortality for my age 60-69 is 5%

70- 79 is 8%

very young is very low %, and the % increases as age goes up

i also saw that in china mortality is significantly higher for males and that that could be because of the smoking rate

(i can also imagine that other lifestyle choices by males could be a factor)

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9 minutes ago, Redwes25 said:

This is best info I have seen re: mortality rate and demographics - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

So if you look at this and break it down further, the numbers for males over the age of 50 are downright frightening.  
 

If said male had a comorbidity, it gets more frightening.

again, let this sink in, folks in the CDC are saying that nearly everyone will get this.  The mortality rate for those over 80 is 15%.  That is INSANE.

it doesn’t get much better for those 60+ as many have health issues as well.  Especially males.  

The disruption to the world of Deaths on this scale is just truly unimaginable if these numbers hold up.  

I enjoy laughing in the face of danger as much as the next guy, but I worry that some of the things we find funny today, in a year we will look back on and find it hard to see the humor.

I hope that’s not true.

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What people are overlooking is the comorbidity with obesity as it is a near 1:1 with hypertension.   It hasn't hit a obese population yet, so we don't truly know how it interacts.   I can't imagine it plays well. 

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21 minutes ago, adonis said:

So if you look at this and break it down further, the numbers for males over the age of 50 are downright frightening.  
 

If said male had a comorbidity, it gets more frightening.

again, let this sink in, folks in the CDC are saying that nearly everyone will get this.  The mortality rate for those over 80 is 15%.  That is INSANE.

it doesn’t get much better for those 60+ as many have health issues as well.  Especially males.  

The disruption to the world of Deaths on this scale is just truly unimaginable if these numbers hold up.  

I enjoy laughing in the face of danger as much as the next guy, but I worry that some of the things we find funny today, in a year we will look back on and find it hard to see the humor.

I hope that’s not true.

What I thought was surprising is kids. I can’t imagine they aren’t picking it up. They pick up everything. Are they just not showing symptoms and spreading it or is it so mild they don’t need any care and spreading?  Seems so strange. 

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1 hour ago, Redwes25 said:

What I thought was surprising is kids. I can’t imagine they aren’t picking it up. They pick up everything?  Are they just not showing symptoms and spreading it or is it so mild they don’t need any care and spreading?  Seems so strange. 

That's what I've heard.

But it's so early that good info is hard to come by on how it's spread, incubation period, etc.

Imagine the panic if kids and the elderly mortality rates were reversed.

 

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21 minutes ago, culdeus said:

What people are overlooking is the comorbidity with obesity as it is a near 1:1 with hypertension.   It hasn't hit a obese population yet, so we don't truly know how it interacts.   I can't imagine it plays well. 

Fuuuuuuuuuuudge.

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Are Italians fat? Don’t they eat a lot of pasta?

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4 hours ago, -fish- said:

link 20 x n95 for $124 delivered next week.   $6/ea is pretty decent considering every Lowes and Home Depot is out of all n95 masks, which are normally like $20 for a box of 10.

 

these fit 3m N99 replaceable filters.

Thanks.  Want to buy a 5 pack but only 20 packs are available.

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I wouldn't overlook bottled o2 on your home Depot list.  It's in the welding supply.  If hospitals are ####ed it might be your last resort.  

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15 minutes ago, fantasycurse42 said:

Are Italians fat? Don’t they eat a lot of pasta?

The ones who walk everywhere (in Italy, + the ones in New York that don't have a car) are not.  The ones in Jersey who have a car and got shot while Journey serenaded the end of their tv series are.

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I guess the good news is if I die in the next year my wife and son are friggin rich.  And also I will get to see if my faith has been anywhere close to accurate.  🤞

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5 hours ago, glvsav37 said:

Can you set up a quarantine in your house? I know most of us FBG have some spare wing or guest mansion we could close off and put an infected person, but is there anything a regular plebe could to to minimize Spreading it through the house if a family member has it? 

The quarantined room could have a window fan pushing air outside that way air is entering the room from the house and not the other way around.  Hopefully, you have 2 bathrooms so the infected has their own bathroom.  If only one bathroom, the infected man could piss in a jug or baby toilet and only use the bathroom for dropping deuces.  But if you knew the person was infected with Coronavirus for sure and it wasn't the common cold, then I'd think you'd want to give them the whole house.  After what happened on the Diamond Princess, I wouldn't want to be in the same house with someone infected.

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Power has been out last 6 hours, and occurred to me that we don’t have a land line. Utilities go out, within hours we’re literally on our own with no ability to call for help. Good idea to keep a power brick charged in case you need mobile for 911. Unlikely to be an issue, but a way I hadn’t thought about that makes us even more vulnerable if there were a meaningful interruption of basic services. 

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On 2/24/2020 at 8:13 PM, bradyfan said:

US CDC Situation Report - Feb-24 Update
Confirmed Cases in the US 
  Travel-related: 12
  Person-to-person spread: 2
  Total confirmed cases: 14
  Total tested: 426
Persons Repatriated to the US and Tested by CDC
  Wuhan, China - Positive: 3
  Diamond Princess cruise ship - Positive: 36

China CDC Situation Report on Feb-25 
31 Provinces & XPCC 
  Suspected: 2491 (+439)
  Confirmed: 78064 (+406)
  Severe: 8752 (-374)
  Dead: 2715 (+52)
  Recovered: 29745 (+2422)
Hong Kong - Confirmed: 85 (Dead: 2, Recovered: 18)
Macau - Confirmed: 10 (Recovered: 7)
Taiwan - Confirmed: 31 (Dead: 1, Recovered: 5)

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34 minutes ago, Don Hutson said:

The quarantined room could have a window fan pushing air outside that way air is entering the room from the house and not the other way around.  Hopefully, you have 2 bathrooms so the infected has their own bathroom.  If only one bathroom, the infected man could piss in a jug or baby toilet and only use the bathroom for dropping deuces.  But if you knew the person was infected with Coronavirus for sure and it wasn't the common cold, then I'd think you'd want to give them the whole house.  After what happened on the Diamond Princess, I wouldn't want to be in the same house with someone infected.

Good thing you have the camping stove!

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25 minutes ago, Mr. Ham said:

Power has been out last 6 hours, and occurred to me that we don’t have a land line. Utilities go out, within hours we’re literally on our own with no ability to call for help. Good idea to keep a power brick charged in case you need mobile for 911. Unlikely to be an issue, but a way I hadn’t thought about that makes us even more vulnerable if there were a meaningful interruption of basic services. 

Why?

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6 minutes ago, adonis said:

Why?

Not sure exactly. But called and they said some equipment is out in the deep woods and repair people have to carry equipment by hand. Estimated it would be on by 8pm, and it’s 8:09. Affecting about 200 homes.

Also, it’s almost 60 now, but will be in 30s by morning, with cold front around 2am. So hoping they get it together or it’s going to be a cold night without heat.

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4 minutes ago, Mr. Ham said:

Not sure exactly. But called and they said some equipment is out in the deep woods and repair people have to carry equipment by hand. Estimated it would be on by 8pm, and it’s 8:09. Affecting about 200 homes.

Also, it’s almost 60 now, but will be in 30s by morning, with cold front around 2am. So hoping they get it together or it’s going to be a cold night without heat.

Ah, for some reason i thought you were in Austin.

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Just now, adonis said:

Ah, for some reason i thought you were in Austin.

I am. 

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US soldier has it.

A USFK soldier stationed at Camp Carroll tested positive for COVID-19, marking the first time a U.S. service member has tested positive for the virus. We’re implementing all appropriate control measures to protect the force.

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Non-China Reported Cases

2/7 - 277

2/12 - 490

2/17 - 893 reported cases - (454 on Diamond Princess) - 135 recovered - 36 serious/critical - 5 dead 

2/18 - 1,014 reported cases (542 on Diamond Princess) - 152 recovered - 39 serious/critical - 5 dead

2/19 - 1,149 reported cases (621 on Diamond Princess) - 169 recovered - 45 serious/critical - 10 dead

2/20 - 1,259 reported cases (634 on Diamond Princess) - 191 recovered - 45 serious/critical - 11 dead

2/21 - 1,525 reported cases (634 on Diamond Princess) - 209 recovered - 52 serious/critical - 15 dead

2/22 - 1,834 reported cases (634 on Diamond Princess) - 210 recovered - 66 serious/critical - 19 dead

2/23 - 2,213 reported cases - 27 dead

2/24 - 2,491 reported cases - 38 dead 
2/25 - 2,931 reported cases - 48 dead

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One pro-tip here could be to seek out the coronovirus, get infected, and if you survive there's going to be a whole lot of things you'll be able to do a lot cheaper than normal. 

Cruises come to mind, but maybe some performances...disney world/land may be a little less populated.  Maybe it's a frugal choice to get infected and then capitalize on all the discounted, low populated places. 

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Really seems like we are doubling every 5 days or so.  If that holds, we will be at 200k in a month and it will go exponential from there.

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1 minute ago, shader said:

Really seems like we are doubling every 5 days or so.  If that holds, we will be at 200k in a month and it will go exponential from there.

Right in time for spring to kick in, temperatures to rise, and hopefully start to battle the spread of this.

It's about time global warming came in handy for something.

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20 minutes ago, bradyfan said:

Good thing you have the camping stove!

Nah, cold Chef Boyardee straight from the can.

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On 2/24/2020 at 8:08 AM, bradyfan said:

Worldometer

  1. China: 77,345 (+409) confirmed, 2,592 (+150) deaths
  2. South Korea: 833 (+231) confirmed, 8 (+2) deaths
  3. Diamond Princess: 691 confirmed, 3 deaths
  4. Italy: 226 (+69) confirmed, 5 (+2) deaths
  5. Japan: 146 confirmed, 1 death
  6. Singapore: 90 (+1) confirmed
  7. Hong Kong: 79 (+5) confirmed, 2 deaths
  8. Iran: 61 (+18) confirmed, 12 (+4) deaths
  9. Thailand: 35 confirmed
  10. U.S.: 35 confirmed

WorldometerIran has surpassed Singapore and Hong Kong.

  1. China: 78,064 confirmed, 2,715 deaths 
  2. South Korea: 1,146 confirmed, 12 deaths
  3. Diamond Princess: 691 confirmed, 4 deaths
  4. Italy: 323 confirmed, 11 deaths
  5. Japan: 161 confirmed, 1 death
  6. Iran: 95 confirmed, 16 deaths
  7. Singapore: 91 confirmed
  8. Hong Kong: 85 confirmed, 2 deaths
  9. USA: 57 confirmed
  10. Thailand: 37 confirmed

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17 minutes ago, adonis said:

One pro-tip here could be to seek out the coronovirus, get infected, and if you survive there's going to be a whole lot of things you'll be able to do a lot cheaper than normal. 

Cruises come to mind, but maybe some performances...disney world/land may be a little less populated.  Maybe it's a frugal choice to get infected and then capitalize on all the discounted, low populated places. 

@Donald Trump bro, now would be a good time to invade Chyna and take back our bonds.  

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16 minutes ago, adonis said:

One pro-tip here could be to seek out the coronovirus, get infected, and if you survive there's going to be a whole lot of things you'll be able to do a lot cheaper than normal. 

Cruises come to mind, but maybe some performances...disney world/land may be a little less populated.  Maybe it's a frugal choice to get infected and then capitalize on all the discounted, low populated places. 

Apparently you can get reinfected with this virus. But if willing to wear a space suit, you could have a cruise ship of your own. 

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