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30 minutes ago, top dog said:

Question about the stimulus package...  Are they going off of 2019 taxes at all or only 2018?  In 2018 we made over the $150,000 threshold.  This year we had significantly less income but haven't filed yet because I still owe like $2,000 this year.  

Wondering if it was worth hurrying up and filing the 2019 taxes before they start cutting checks?

if you have not filed, they will use 2018

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National Review: China Supplied Faulty Coronavirus Test Kits to Spain, Czech Republic 
The majority of rapid test coronavirus test kits supplied by China to Spain and the Czech Republic are faulty, local news outlets reported.

Up to 80 percent of the 150,000 portable, quick coronavirus test kits China delivered to the Czech Republic earlier this month were faulty, according to local Czech news site Expats.cz. The tests can produce a result in 10 or 15 minutes but are usually less accurate than other tests. Because of the high error rate, the country will continue to rely on conventional laboratory tests, of which they perform about 900 a day.

The country’s Health Ministry paid $546,000 for 100,000 of the test kits, while the Interior Ministry paid for the other 50,000.

Deputy Prime Minister and Interior Minister Jan Hamacek downplayed the discovery that many of the tests were faulty, blaming it on a possible wrong methodology and saying the kits can still be used “when the disease has been around for some time,” or when “someone returns after quarantine after fourteen days.”

“In my opinion, this is not about some scandalous revelation that it is not working,” Hamacek said.

Meanwhile, Spain, which has more than 56,000 infected people and more than 4,000 coronavirus deaths, the second-highest number of fatalities in the world after Italy, found that the rapid coronavirus test kits it purchased from Chinese company Bioeasy only correctly identified 30 percent of virus cases, according to Spanish newspaper El Pais.

The director Spain’s Center for Health Alerts and Emergencies, Fernando Simón, said Spain tested 9,000 of the test kits and will return them based on their high error rate.

Studies performed on the tests which discovered the high error rate caused the Spanish Society of Infectious Diseases and Clinical Microbiology to recommend officially that the tests not be used.

The Chinese embassy in Spain claimed the Bioeasy products are not included in the products China has been supplying to countries where the virus has broken out.

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35 minutes ago, cap'n grunge said:

 

You don't think that a couple million dead Americans is a catastrophe???

He and his ilk roll like that. But fast forward 15 years and a hypothetical COVID- 34 endangers HIM, then it's full stop Gordon Ramsey style.

"Shut it down donkey!!1!!1!!!"

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29 minutes ago, shader said:

Italy reports 6153 new cases and 662 new deaths. Total rises to 80539 cases and 8165 deaths

Not good numbers. Hoping new cases would start to dip below 5k not go back above 6k. 

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18 minutes ago, CR69 said:
1 hour ago, Doug B said:

This is amazing.

Meanwhile you have Whole Foods asking employees to donate their sick time to each other while Jeff Bezos does #### all to help. Disgusting. 

If I looked around a lot more, I'm positive I'd be wrong ... but Brees' $5 million is the third-most I've seen a private citizen step up with behind mega-billionaires Bill Gates and Jack Ma. Bezos' contributions seem to be going through Amazon itself, not so much direct cash outlay ... though whatever wrong is going on at Whole Foods needs to roll up to him, as well.

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Just now, Redwes25 said:

Not good numbers. Hoping new cases would start to dip below 5k not go back above 6k. 

I'd really like to know what stage Italy's new reported cases are at.  Usually they get tested when they report symptoms.  This often happens a week or two before hospitalization.

That's the scary part for Italy's healthcare system.  As bad as they are getting hammered right now, over half of their total cases have been reported in the last 8 days.

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9 minutes ago, Big League Chew said:

first death for the virus in our county. Worked at a local school in her 70s

Which country?

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Just now, Doug B said:

If I looked around a lot more, I'm positive I'd be wrong ... but Brees' $5 million is the third-most I've seen a private citizen step up with behind mega-billionaires Bill Gates and Jack Ma. Bezos' contributions seem to be going through Amazon itself, not so much direct cash outlay ... though whatever wrong is going on at Whole Foods needs to roll up to him, as well.

5 million for a guy like Brees is awesome.  It shows he cares.

 

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16 minutes ago, Politician Spock said:

It's an advance on a 2020 refundable credit. So any difference in your 2018 and 2019 filings is only going to result in a difference on your 2020 filing. 

What means this?

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File this in the "rumor" category

From bnonews:

"Mayor in Italian city of Bergamo suggests higher death toll due to coronavirus: 446 residents died between March 1 and March 24, which is 348 above the average (98). Only 136 deaths were officially linked to coronavirus"

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4 minutes ago, JAA said:

Ive played this game before

How many people is it OK to die so that the economy is not "significantly impacted"?  Please be specific in death count totals

This number is insignificant, because no number of deaths can save the economy. It would be like cancelling an evacuation for a hurricane to save the economy. People still aren't going to work during the hurricane. All you did was put them in harms way and kill more than needed to. This virus has assured us that the 2020 economy and going forward is going to suck regardless of what we do. People need to accept that in order to process what they are going to do going forward. Holding on the belief that the economy can be saved, let alone what amount of life is worth sacrificing to save it, is ridiculous. 

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1 minute ago, Keerock said:

What means this?

It simply means your 2020 filings will determine what you qualified for. Your 2019 or 2018 are determining the amount you are being advanced on it. 

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34 minutes ago, shader said:

The economy being "open for business" by Easter is never, ever going to happen.  It's just not possible and if it happened, it would lead to a catastrophe.

There has to be some middle ground, where both can be accomplished to some extent.  In other words, stay at home, social distancing, etc. while still trying to "re-start" the economy to some extent.  It doesn't have to be one or the other.   And, restarting doesn't mean we go back to life as we knew it a month ago.  A lot of measures need to be put into place, and restarting has to be done very creatively, and in several steps.  Certain industries first.  Maybe certain age groups first.  Most importantly, look at who's going back to work and who's not, and does it make sense?  I've always felt that the most successful people in life are those who are able to adapt to change, sometimes with little time to do so.  This is the perfect example of that, and some are doing a great job.... restaurants transitioning to takeout/delivery only, distilleries becoming mass producers of hand sanitizer, companies transitioning to produce masks and ventilators on short notice, etc.  

All of that said, our top priority right now has to be to protect and save lives.  

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11 minutes ago, Jobber said:

He and his ilk roll like that. But fast forward 15 years and a hypothetical COVID- 34 endangers HIM, then it's full stop Gordon Ramsey style.

This, 100%.

It's easy to shove someone else out of the lifeboat.

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13 minutes ago, DA RAIDERS said:

AGI

I only checked my taxable income, so that's not it?

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5 minutes ago, Golden Gopher said:

There has to be some middle ground, where both can be accomplished to some extent.  In other words, stay at home, social distancing, etc. while still trying to "re-start" the economy to some extent.  It doesn't have to be one or the other.   And, restarting doesn't mean we go back to life as we knew it a month ago.  A lot of measures need to be put into place, and restarting has to be done very creatively, and in several steps.  Certain industries first.  Maybe certain age groups first.  Most importantly, look at who's going back to work and who's not, and does it make sense?  I've always felt that the most successful people in life are those who are able to adapt to change, sometimes with little time to do so.  This is the perfect example of that, and some are doing a great job.... restaurants transitioning to takeout/delivery only, distilleries becoming mass producers of hand sanitizer, companies transitioning to produce masks and ventilators on short notice, etc.  

All of that said, our top priority right now has to be to protect and save lives.  

Great post... It needs to be done in a balanced and thought out sequence.

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47 minutes ago, top dog said:

Question about the stimulus package...  Are they going off of 2019 taxes at all or only 2018?  In 2018 we made over the $150,000 threshold.  This year we had significantly less income but haven't filed yet because I still owe like $2,000 this year.  

Wondering if it was worth hurrying up and filing the 2019 taxes before they start cutting checks?

Yes, I would File.   From what I read, they will use the latest return they have.  2019 if they have it otherwise 2018.

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4 minutes ago, GoBirds said:
18 minutes ago, DA RAIDERS said:

AGI

I only checked my taxable income, so that's not it?

Line 8b on 2019 Form 1040

Line 7 on 2018 Form 1040

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7 minutes ago, Politician Spock said:

It simply means your 2020 filings will determine what you qualified for. Your 2019 or 2018 are determining the amount you are being advanced on it. 

So does it mean that you get a bigger refund on 2020 taxes if you didn't qualify in '18 or '19 but would in '20?  My wife quit her job this year, in '18 and '19 we were over $150k, won't be this year.

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Alright, haven't posted in this thread yet. This sucks ###. I missed my sons birthday cause we are all on lockdown. My girlfriend, who has mental health issues, (please don't judge) can't even leave her apartment just for her "Iced coffee" or get groceries. I feel like death. It has been movies and chicken soup for days for me. I haven't been tested yet, I am considering it. I don't know if I have the flu or whateva. Either way, this sucks. I am bored off my ###. I have been staying home. If anyone has any good porn links, that would be awesome.*

 

*I am kidding, and I have my own library.

This still sucks.

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Anyone know a very agile FDIC, SBA Preferred Lender Bank that I can work with to get cash advances into people’s hands ASAP, backed by their $1200 government payment ? The 3 week wait is too long. Let’s help people now. #CoronaKarma

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1 hour ago, cap'n grunge said:

Covid-19 ADHS 3/25/20 News Conference

Comments from Arizona Department of Health Services Director Cara M. Christ

(Paraphrasing)

We anticipate we have around 1000 ventilators statewide. We are hoping to get around 4500 or 5000. We have put a request for an additional 5000 above what we already have in the state.

We anticipate we could need an additional 13,000 hospital beds and 1,500 ICU beds in addition to the current 16,000 hospital beds and 1500 ICU beds. We believe the peak of our illness will start mid to the end of April with peak hospitalizations in May.

That sounds like a recipe for disaster. Long enough delay that some might quit the social distancing (already not doing a great job) especially with a governor who has been slow to shut things down.

Talked to nurse at a local hospital and they’re giving everyone chloroquine (probably hydroxychloroquine) and azithromycin, so it might be a good test of how effective it is in treatment.

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####### people.   So Tulsa has now closed all of the local parks due to people overcrowding and allowing their kids to climb on the playground equipment.  

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2 minutes ago, Biff84 said:

Talked to nurse at a local hospital and they’re giving everyone chloroquine (probably hydroxychloroquine) and azithromycin, so it might be a good test of how effective it is in treatment.

That's basically what they're doing ... something of a grand scale experiment. The azithromycin alone will help with some secondary infections.

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Italy still has between 6-13 days to go before they get to days 21-28 on their 56 day bell curve. The curve begins after a significant numbers of cases is reported and after a complete shutdown is ordered to implement extreme social distancing mitigation. This happened in Italy on March 11, or 15 days ago. While today's numbers are not good, they do report more recoveries than deaths, and the % increase in deaths is 9%, the first time it has lowered to double digits (unfortunately that's partially a function of the denominator increasing). It is also the 5th day in a row with new daily cases below the 6,557 mark reached on March 21, which may turn out to be the peak number (fingers crossed).

Hopefully they remain diligent with their social distancing measures and we get to the downside of the curve closer to 6 days from now than 13.

Please realize this talk of Easter in this country is absolutely ridiculous. You think they're talking like that in Italy?

Wondering how many days we are into the 56 day bell curve in the U.S.? That would be 4. Depending on your region you may not even have started yet.

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7 minutes ago, yak651 said:

So does it mean that you get a bigger refund on 2020 taxes if you didn't qualify in '18 or '19 but would in '20?  My wife quit her job this year, in '18 and '19 we were over $150k, won't be this year.

I believe that would be a yes. How much people qualify for is determined by what you make in 2020, and is determined on your 2020 filing. The check you are about to received is an advance on that credit, and the advance amount is determine by your 2019 or 2018 filing. If there is any difference between what you qualified for on your 2020 filing, and what you received as an advance, that will be rectified by your 2020 return. 

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Seems rents here are keeping with squeezing $s out of people. They are still posting $25 more a mo rents in my complex despite the financial crunch. Guess they assume it's silicon valley and everyone is rich and working from home.

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On CNN,

Trump will soon issue guidelines on easing social distancing. 

I assume to certain parts of the country. 

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What do we say to people who are 100% sure they are protected by their faiths? 
Go to the back of the line if you need hospitalisation?
 

Yahoo News: Ohio Megachurch Keeps Holding Mass Gatherings, Even As Coronavirus Spreads 
While most of Ohio spent the last week lying low under Gov. Mike DeWine’s “stay at home” order to stem the coronavirus outbreak, the Solid Rock megachurch just north of Cincinnati took the opposite approach. 

USA Today: Louisiana pastor says he has 1,000 people at services, defying state coronavirus orders 
The Rev. Tony Spell, who claims that congregants at Life Tabernacle Church in the city of Central City, about 15 miles northeast of Baton Rouge, have been cured of cancer and HIV, said that coronavirus is “politically motivated.”

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Apparently the ice cream man driving around the neighborhood is an essential business.

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20 minutes ago, SHIZNITTTT said:

####### people.   So Tulsa has now closed all of the local parks due to people overcrowding and allowing their kids to climb on the playground equipment.  

FWIW, this is from a physician in Tulsa:
 

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“I'm drenched in sweat from wearing a Tyvek suit and being in our COVID-19 negative pressure ICU for hours doing procedures. I've intubated 3 COVID patients tonight. I have another who is going to die tonight. I have another moving to the unit that I will have to intubate.

Every patient asks me the same question: what's going to happen? I give the same answer every time: I don't know, but this isn't good. It's not a lie, but their chances are ####. That's the truth.

I've been having them facetime or talk with family before intubation. It's their chance to say goodbye. No family can come into that unit. It's sealed off from the rest of the world. Every time I go in, I feel like I'm walking over graves.

It's not the death that's getting to me, it's the not knowing how to fix it. Not knowing how to pull someone back who shouldn't be there. These people who are relatively healthy are being ravaged by this virus. I don't understand it.

I just want to help and all I feel like is a gosh darn grim reaper. I'm not afraid to say it, this virus scares the #### out of me. If you aren't scared, you haven't stood toe to toe with it.

Stay safe everyone...

 

 

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1 hour ago, NorvilleBarnes said:

Don't have a link because I just glanced it over but there's reports that the "German" parts of Switzerland are doing better than the "French parts". Maybe more cultural discipline?

The French speaking parts of Switzerland are where the majority of the ski resorts are located. This seems to be a factor there as well as in Austria, Italy and France.

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3 minutes ago, bradyfan said:

What do we say to people who are 100% sure they are protected by their faiths? 
Go to the back of the line if you need hospitalisation?
 

Yahoo News: Ohio Megachurch Keeps Holding Mass Gatherings, Even As Coronavirus Spreads 
While most of Ohio spent the last week lying low under Gov. Mike DeWine’s “stay at home” order to stem the coronavirus outbreak, the Solid Rock megachurch just north of Cincinnati took the opposite approach. 

USA Today: Louisiana pastor says he has 1,000 people at services, defying state coronavirus orders 
The Rev. Tony Spell, who claims that congregants at Life Tabernacle Church in the city of Central City, about 15 miles northeast of Baton Rouge, have been cured of cancer and HIV, said that coronavirus is “politically motivated.”

A confederacy of dunces.

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11 minutes ago, CurlyNight said:

On CNN,

Trump will soon issue guidelines on easing social distancing. 

I assume to certain parts of the country. 

You gotta be kidding me

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1 hour ago, DaVinci said:

Death is inevitable. Why take any safety precautions at all? 

You don’t think we have? Wow. I do. I also think the most vulnerable should absolutely do things differently. The rest? Not as much. 

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2 hours ago, NorvilleBarnes said:

The whole Matsuki pile on is very bizarre to me. 

Yes. And unnecessarily personal.

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blame the pandemic

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35 minutes ago, Ben Hur said:

News moves fast, was pretty sure he gave his warehouse workers a raise across the board, plus overtime pay is now 2x pay instead of time and a half.  

Because business is booming and he needs workers, not because he's a nice guy. 

If Brees is donating $5m then Bezos should be good for AT LEAST $100m but he's MIA.

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Just now, T J said:

You don’t think we have? Wow. I do. I also think the most vulnerable should absolutely do things differently. The rest? Not as much. 

Yeah screw everybody else!  As long as I'm ok, who cares how many people I infect!

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Just now, shader said:

Yeah screw everybody else!  As long as I'm ok, who cares how many people I infect!

Never said that. And that’s why your take is nothing but fear mongering to me. 

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22 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

Wondering how many days we are into the 56 day bell curve in the U.S.? That would be 4. Depending on your region you may not even have started yet.

Probably best to think of this in localities rather than the US.  NYC and Seattle are further along.  Some places haven't really even started yet and might not this wave.

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2 hours ago, El Floppo said:

I'll take that as a yes.

Us too.

Been weighing the pros and cons of staying vs leaving. Lots of cons both ways. 

Could you gget out "clean?" - your own sanitized car

Do you have a safe place to go within a tank of gas?

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5 minutes ago, shader said:

You gotta be kidding me

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38 minutes ago, NotSmart said:

This, 100%.

It's easy to shove someone else out of the lifeboat.

Wrong kid. I’m in a higher risk category myself. You don’t me and what my life situation is. 

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10 minutes ago, bradyfan said:

What do we say to people who are 100% sure they are protected by their faiths? 
Go to the back of the line if you need hospitalisation?
 

Yahoo News: Ohio Megachurch Keeps Holding Mass Gatherings, Even As Coronavirus Spreads 
While most of Ohio spent the last week lying low under Gov. Mike DeWine’s “stay at home” order to stem the coronavirus outbreak, the Solid Rock megachurch just north of Cincinnati took the opposite approach. 

USA Today: Louisiana pastor says he has 1,000 people at services, defying state coronavirus orders 
The Rev. Tony Spell, who claims that congregants at Life Tabernacle Church in the city of Central City, about 15 miles northeast of Baton Rouge, have been cured of cancer and HIV, said that coronavirus is “politically motivated.”

Ah, Darwin...  Too bad they'll affect others too...

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@[icon] will you please post a link to the reddit thread that published the forecast spreadsheet?  thx

 

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34 minutes ago, yak651 said:

So does it mean that you get a bigger refund on 2020 taxes if you didn't qualify in '18 or '19 but would in '20?  My wife quit her job this year, in '18 and '19 we were over $150k, won't be this year.

I believe so, yes. 

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