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COVID-19 Drives Command Teams Charged With Homeland Defense Into Cheyenne Mountain Bunker

Another US military command and control element is also now isolated in a third, undisclosed location.

U.S. Northern Command has dispersed essential command and control teams to multiple hardened locations, including the famous Cheyenne Mountain bunker complex in Colorado, as well as another unspecified site, and is keeping them in isolation. The command took these steps to help ensure these personnel can continue to watch around the clock for potential threats to the U.S. homeland as the COVID-19 pandemiccontinues to expand across the country and around the world, including within the U.S. military.

U.S. Air Force General Terrence O’Shaughnessy, head of Northern Command (NORTHCOM), who also serves as the commanding officer of the U.S.-Canadian North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), detailed the changes during a virtual town hall on Facebook on Mar. 24, 2020. Under normal circumstances, the watch teams, which support both NORTHCOM and NORAD missions, would take shifts staffing a central command center at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado. 

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Cheyenne Mountain is a hardened command and control site, the bulk of which is located inside the mountain of same name, which is part of the Rocky Mountains' Front Range and is situated just outside of Colorado Springs. Between 1965 and 2006, the complex served as NORAD's primary command and control center. It was also home to U.S. Space Commandbetween 1985 and 2002. It has also been a central feature in, or otherwise referred to, in a wide array of popular media, perhaps most famously being a key setting in the 1983 film WarGames."
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It kinda bugs me that NORTHCOM isn't NORCOM.

 
Morton Muffley said:
At risk of showing either my ignorance or pessimism: the day is far from over right? so we should expect that these are NOT the final number right?  what am I missing that 20% fewer new cases than yesterday with 25%+ of the day still remaining is cause for celebration?  

To be clear, I want to celebrate good news, just trying to understand why the above is seen that way.  Thanks
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They only report once a day.  After their time change this past weekend, that happens at 12 noon EST.  

Every country is different.  France also updates once a day.  Spain updates twice a day.  Germany updates incrementally.  The USA, as an example, updates all throughout the day.  

 
Anyone from Louisiana know how well the testing is going?  Their mortality rate is sky-high so I'm assuming they aren't testing all that well.  

 
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COVID-19 Drives Command Teams Charged With Homeland Defense Into Cheyenne Mountain Bunker

Another US military command and control element is also now isolated in a third, undisclosed location.

U.S. Northern Command has dispersed essential command and control teams to multiple hardened locations, including the famous Cheyenne Mountain bunker complex in Colorado, as well as another unspecified site, and is keeping them in isolation. The command took these steps to help ensure these personnel can continue to watch around the clock for potential threats to the U.S. homeland as the COVID-19 pandemiccontinues to expand across the country and around the world, including within the U.S. military.

U.S. Air Force General Terrence O’Shaughnessy, head of Northern Command (NORTHCOM), who also serves as the commanding officer of the U.S.-Canadian North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), detailed the changes during a virtual town hall on Facebook on Mar. 24, 2020. Under normal circumstances, the watch teams, which support both NORTHCOM and NORAD missions, would take shifts staffing a central command center at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado. 

...

Cheyenne Mountain is a hardened command and control site, the bulk of which is located inside the mountain of same name, which is part of the Rocky Mountains' Front Range and is situated just outside of Colorado Springs. Between 1965 and 2006, the complex served as NORAD's primary command and control center. It was also home to U.S. Space Commandbetween 1985 and 2002. It has also been a central feature in, or otherwise referred to, in a wide array of popular media, perhaps most famously being a key setting in the 1983 film WarGames."
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That Lipmann kid got in and out that pretty easily though. I don't know if that place is the best.

 
Read something interesting, to help prevent the severity, if you should catch it, drink warm salt water. No need to go heavy on the salt. Something about building up gastric acid which helps lightening the load that coats your lungs, thus not as bad.

:shrug:

 
jhib said:
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1 GALLON 80% sanitizer $35.99 after 10% off code WEBSP (free shipping too) 
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That was quick.

Due to Overwhelming demand for our Froggy’s Simply Sanitizer™ we will be pausing production on all other products.  They are not discontinued, and we will have stock for the busy season.  However, we started this venture to help the people who need it most.  We will be halting all online sales of Froggy’s Simply Sanitizer™ starting immediately.

We will open 100 cases or 600 Gallons at Noon every day. Once that quantity is met, we will deactivate it again.
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I was able to get a gallon just now...

 
Tony Jabroni said:
Read something interesting, to help prevent the severity, if you should catch it, drink warm salt water. No need to go heavy on the salt. Something about building up gastric acid which helps lightening the load that coats your lungs, thus not as bad.

:shrug:
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I'd have to check but I think I read that drinking warm water to prevent(not sure about the salt) was a myth.

 
New York reports 5,818 new cases and 155 deaths.  As a reminder, they usually have an evening update as well.

 
Poke_4_Life said:
So I think I mentioned earlier in the thread that my wife and I have been taking this seriously for a while.  We've been social distancing for 2.5 weeks now, we've stockpiled food and some meds, enough to make it a month if we try.  However during all this time our 21yo daughter has been working (sandwich place, 'freaky fast') and hasn't really changed her lifestyle.  She has her own apartment a few miles from us, and has been coming over fairly frequently for meals.  

She's at the Dr. right now with 'flu-like' symptoms.  I'm sure my wife will insist that she convalesce here.  Daughter was last at our house Thursday evening for dinner. 

I'm ####ed.  FML.  This sucks.   
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So it's only strep.  :clap: At least until she gets Corona from being at a Dr. office today.   :doh:

I do think this scare woke her up a little, silver lining.

 
shader said:
Anyone from Louisiana know how well the testing is going?  Their mortality rate is sky-high so I'm assuming they aren't testing all that well.  
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Latest numbers for Louisiana below.  Over 34,000 tests administered so far ... not sure how many "should" have been done by now.

185 deaths (+34)
4,025 total cases (+485) 
1,158 patients hospitalized (+31)
385 in need of ventilators (+5)
59 of 64 parishes reporting cases
34,033 tests completed 

I guess going by a squishy 18-20% hospitalization rate ... there should have been ~5,800 - 6,000 cases detected by now. So the number of tests that should have been completed by now to detect that many positive cases (given the hit rate for the tests taken shown above) ... Louisiana should be around ~50,000 - 52,000 tests.

We're behind on testing down here, but catching up rapidly. Drive-through testing has been down here 10 days or so, and that's helping a ton.

 
Italy, Spain, and Germany all are reporting decreases. That's terrific news. Not to discount the pain and suffering, which is real and heartbreaking.

Hope is this: News provides motivation. If people see that extreme measures work there, we will follow and take extreme measures here.

Please. 

 
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beer 30 said:
Alright, help me out here. How the #### do I break the habit of touching my face? There's got to be some method that's helpful aside from wearing a mask 24/7 (which I am close to doing). I quit smoking 20 years ago, I feel like I can overcome this but it feels like I'm trying to climb Everest. Every time I turn around I'm leaning on my hand or scratching my nose or rubbing my eye. Everything you shouldn't be doing now, I've done in triplicate this weekend (aside from licking handrails, I have standards).
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We’ve got our top scientists on the job. Unfortunately, prototyping didn’t go so well for one of them.

Astrophysicist gets magnets stuck up nose trying to develop device to keep you from touching your face.

Dr Daniel Reardon came up with a plan to create a necklace which would react if your hands were near your face.

Unfortunately, the device did not work quite as planned.

"My invention had the opposite effect – it buzzed continuously until a magnet was put close." 

"I had a laugh and gave up temporarily," he told the BBC. "Then I started mindlessly placing the magnets on my face. First my ear lobes, then my nostrils – like a magnetic piercing. 

"The problem was when I put magnets in my other nostril. They all pinched together, and the ones on my septum got stuck!"
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:mellow:

 
If any of you want to share for others.  Hope these don't get overwhelming here, but I do think the constant "reminders" help keep us on track:

"Hey everybody, as an infectious disease epidemiologist, at this point feel morally obligated to provide some information on what we are seeing from a transmission dynamic perspective and how they apply to the social distancing measures.

Like any good scientist I have noticed two things that are either not articulated or not present in the "literature" of social media.

Specifically, I want to make two aspects of these measures very clear and unambiguous.

First, we are in the very infancy of this epidemic's trajectory. That means even with these measures we will see cases and deaths continue to rise globally, nationally, and in our own communities in the coming weeks.

Our hospitals will be overwhelmed, and people will die that didn't have to.

This may lead some people to think that the social distancing
measures are not working.

They are.

They may feel futile.

They aren't.

You will feel discouraged.

You should.

This is normal in chaos. But, this is also normal epidemic trajectory.

Stay calm.

This enemy that we are facing is very good at what it does; we are not failing. We need everyone to hold the line as the epidemic inevitably gets worse.

This is not my opinion; this is the unforgiving math of epidemics for which I and my colleagues have dedicated our lives to understanding with great nuance, and this disease is no exception.

We know what will happen; I want to help the community brace for this impact.

Stay strong and with solidarity knowing with absolute certainty that what you are doing is saving lives, even as people begin getting sick and dying.

You may feel like giving in.

Don't.

Second, although social distancing measures have been (at least temporarily) well-received, there is an obvious-but-overlooked phenomenon when considering groups (i.e. families) in transmission dynamics.

While social distancing decreases contact with members of society, it of course increases your contacts with group (i.e. family) members. This small and obvious fact has surprisingly profound implications on disease transmission dynamics.

Study after study demonstrates that even if there is only a little bit of connection between groups (i.e. social dinners, playdates/playgrounds, etc.), the epidemic trajectory isn't much different than if there was no measure in place. The same underlying fundamentals of disease transmission apply, and the result is that the community is left with all of the social and economic disruption but very little public health benefit.

You should perceive your entire family to function as a single individual unit; if one person puts themselves at risk, everyone in
the unit is at risk.

Seemingly small social chains get large and complex with alarming speed.

If your son visits his girlfriend, and you later sneak over for coffee with a neighbor, your neighbor is now connected to the infected office worker that your son's girlfriend's mother shook hands with.

This sounds silly, it's not.

This is not a joke or a hypothetical.

We as epidemiologists see it borne out in the data time and time again and no one listens.

Conversely, any break in that chain breaks disease transmission along that chain.

In contrast to hand-washing and other personal measures, social distancing measures are not about individuals, they are about societies working in unison.

These measures also take a long time to see the results.

It is hard (even for me) to conceptualize how 'one quick little get together' can undermine the entire framework of a public health intervention, but it does.

I promise you it does.

I promise. I promise. I promise.

You can't cheat it. People are already itching to cheat on the social distancing precautions just a "little"- a playdate, a haircut, or picking up a needless item at the store, etc.

From a transmission dynamics standpoint, this very quickly recreates a highly connected social network that undermines all of the work the community has done so far.

Until we get a viable vaccine this unprecedented outbreak will not be overcome in grand, sweeping gesture, rather only by the collection of individual choices our community makes in the coming months.

This virus is unforgiving to unwise choices.

My goal in writing this is to prevent communities from getting ‘sucker-punched' by what the epidemiological community knows will happen in the coming weeks.

It will be easy to be drawn to the idea that what we are doing isn't working and become paralyzed by fear, or to 'cheat' a little bit in the coming weeks.

By knowing what to expect, and knowing the importance of maintaining these measures, my hope is to encourage continued community spirit, strategizing, and action to persevere in this time of uncertainty."
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beer 30 said:
I just went through this timeline with my daughter yesterday but I don't think it marries up. I was fine going into Christmas break but on Christmas day I woke up feeling like I was coming down with something and by the end of the day was out. Body ache, severe fatigue, no appetite, runny nose and coughing. Stayed that way for 4 days, trying to fight it with Dayquil. Finally broke down and went to urgent care on the 5th day, got tested for flu (negative) and was diagnosed with bronchitis. My wife gets bronchitis almost every year so I'm familiar with it and it sure didn't feel like that but a Zpack knocked it out in a couple of days.

My daughter had just come back from NY on the 23rd and we saw her then, she was also fighting a cold at that point. Was trying to convince myself I've already had this thing but I don't think the timeline marries up at all.
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Yeah, I think time wise you were a few weeks earlier than me and your daughter another week or so. I didn’t really have a lot of fatigue. The fever to start, kind of dry/not productive cough and Mucinex really helping are the only reasons I thought about it. The timeline it too early but again the multiple weeks of back to back airline travel are the only reason I think I might have. Having a working wife and kids at home really do make me try not to spread anything so I’m good about not spreading stuff. Anyway, definitely think I didn’t have it but that’s been the only time I recall having such a non productive cough that caused me to cough repeatedly almost losing your breath.

 
Keerock said:
jhib said:
[icon] said:
https://www.froggysfog.com/additional-products/chemicals/froggy-s-simply-sanitizer-hand-rub-formulation.html

1 GALLON 80% sanitizer $35.99 after 10% off code WEBSP (free shipping too) 
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That was quick.

Due to Overwhelming demand for our Froggy’s Simply Sanitizer™ we will be pausing production on all other products.  They are not discontinued, and we will have stock for the busy season.  However, we started this venture to help the people who need it most.  We will be halting all online sales of Froggy’s Simply Sanitizer™ starting immediately.

We will open 100 cases or 600 Gallons at Noon every day. Once that quantity is met, we will deactivate it again.
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I was able to get a gallon just now...
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Already back out of stock for today. :(  

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
Italy, Spain, Germany and France all are reporting decreases. That's terrific news. Not to discount the pain and suffering, which is real and heartbreaking.

Hope is this: News provides motivation. If people see that extreme measures work there, we will follow and take extreme measures here.

Please. 
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I don’t think France is decreasing, unless I’m looking at the wrong data.

edit: you probably meant Sat-Sun, but they’re back up today

 
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AAABatteries said:
So you are saying I should cut back to 100?  I've been going through hand soap and hand lotion like a ODC germaphobe.
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Good friend (36, NJ) is still in recovery. Her husband never got it, the kids have had low grade fevers. She said the it felt like breathing through a straw for 2-3 days, then 3-4 days of regular I-wanna-die-flu.

She did everything you’re supposed to: wiped down the groceries & packages, made the kids wash their hands so much they started calling Momma Germaphobe, pulled them out of a school a week before they shut down. Still got it.

c'est la vie

 
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Grace Under Pressure said:
Their numbers are now updated, I apologize as they may have only had a partial update and the time I posted. I removed France from my post.
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A couple things to keep in mind on the data, we know weekend reporting is often lower - not sure why - and I’ve heard a couple experts (Dr Fauci, Dr John Campbell) say to be careful to not draw too much from 1-2 days of deviation. You have to look at 4-5 days to establish a clear trend.

 
Capella said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak%3f_amp=true
 

so are walks even safe? This is insane. I mean if somebody you don’t even see coughs and you walk through it 5 minutes later you could catch? I feel like I’m going crazy. 
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I was in line at the self checkout. My turn was right by the dude overseeing the area who hopefully just had a bad cold coughing and sneezing away not protecting us very well. The register tape runs out. He wants to reload it. I tell him I don't need a receipt.  I need to put it in for the next person. Jfc. Can't you just let me go as I'm trying to back up without getting into someone else's space. No gloves either. People who are working face to face and sick need to stay home. You don't know what you have. No fever, no shortness of breath doesn't mean you're clear of cv. Look at how differently people present with it along with differing timelines. Between sicky at Trader Joe's last night and today this dude, I'm disappointed and don't see this curve going down enough by May 1 to slowly open places. My aunt is a teacher in Palo Alto. They've been told by the school district that schools could be closed through 2020. 

 
shader said:
because if you walk right next to someone and they all of a sudden cough in your face, you could still get it?  
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Read that it remains in the air for 3 hours. Hence the urgent stay home, and why I'm pissed that sick cashiers are out there. Provide sick leave so they'll stay home. The place I went to doesn't have plastic shields at the registers which at least would help. Thankfully I'm well stocked up.

 
CurlyNight said:
I was in line at the self checkout. My turn was right by the dude overseeing the area who hopefully just had a bad cold coughing and sneezing away not protecting us very well. The register tape runs out. He wants to reload it. I tell him I don't need a receipt.  I need to put it in for the next person. Jfc. Can't you just let me go as I'm trying to back up without getting into someone else's space. No gloves either. People who are working face to face and sick need to stay home. You don't know what you have. No fever, no shortness of breath doesn't mean you're clear of cv. Look at how differently people present with it along with differing timelines. Between sicky at Trader Joe's last night and today this dude, I'm disappointed and don't see this curve going down enough by May 1 to slowly open places. My aunt is a teacher in Palo Alto. They've been told by the school district that schools could be closed through 2020. 
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That’s why we limit trips to one grocery store once/week.   We stock up food for the week and that’s it.   I am staying away from the public as much as possible.   

 
DocHolliday said:
That’s why we limit trips to one grocery store once/week.   We stock up food for the week and that’s it.   I am staying away from the public as much as possible.   
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I should be in for 3 weeks. It's really fresh produce for me and my pet that sends me out every 2 weeks.

 
SoBeDad said:
"Chad Chronister announces he has obtained an arrest warrant for Rodney Howard-Browne, the Pentecostal pastor at the River at Tampa Bay Church in Riverview, who ignored social distancing orders and encouraged the packed services held over the weekend."

https://mobile.twitter.com/JDeleon1012/status/1244675011241226243
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Interesting.  Will be thrown out of court on 1st amendment grounds and wouldn't surprise me if Tampa ends up cutting a big settlement check to the pastor.  Though the dude is an idiot for calling for in-person services right now.

 
Sand said:
Interesting.  Will be thrown out of court on 1st amendment grounds and wouldn't surprise me if Tampa ends up cutting a big settlement check to the pastor.  Though the dude is an idiot for calling for in-person services right now.
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Constitution is superceded by emergency declarations.

 
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COVID-19 Drives Command Teams Charged With Homeland Defense Into Cheyenne Mountain Bunker

Another US military command and control element is also now isolated in a third, undisclosed location.

U.S. Northern Command has dispersed essential command and control teams to multiple hardened locations, including the famous Cheyenne Mountain bunker complex in Colorado, as well as another unspecified site, and is keeping them in isolation. The command took these steps to help ensure these personnel can continue to watch around the clock for potential threats to the U.S. homeland as the COVID-19 pandemiccontinues to expand across the country and around the world, including within the U.S. military.

U.S. Air Force General Terrence O’Shaughnessy, head of Northern Command (NORTHCOM), who also serves as the commanding officer of the U.S.-Canadian North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), detailed the changes during a virtual town hall on Facebook on Mar. 24, 2020. Under normal circumstances, the watch teams, which support both NORTHCOM and NORAD missions, would take shifts staffing a central command center at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado. 

...

Cheyenne Mountain is a hardened command and control site, the bulk of which is located inside the mountain of same name, which is part of the Rocky Mountains' Front Range and is situated just outside of Colorado Springs. Between 1965 and 2006, the complex served as NORAD's primary command and control center. It was also home to U.S. Space Commandbetween 1985 and 2002. It has also been a central feature in, or otherwise referred to, in a wide array of popular media, perhaps most famously being a key setting in the 1983 film WarGames."
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Need to protect the Startgate. 

 
CurlyNight said:
The cruise ship that's been trying to get to Florida is heading there now. Many sick from ?. 4 are dead.
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They sent another ship out several days ago and offloaded ~800 “healthy” (asymptomatic) passengers to the second ship by running tenders between the ships for a couple of days. The second ship also brought COVID tests as well as more medical personnel and supplies to load onto the “sick” ship.  Last I saw, nine people had tested positive.  The whole thing was a pretty extraordinary operation.  They also ended up getting fast-tracked through the new locks at the Panama Canal last night. 

 
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A story of being sneezed on, from the past...

I always hated Chuck E. Cheese but when my daughter was little she wanted to go. Since at that point I was Father of The Year six years running, I acquiesced.

After accumulating the maximum number of tickets, we attempted to feed the ticket muncher - to limited success. A line queued behind us.

I knelt down next to my daughter in an attempt to solve the issue. At which point the three year old girl behind us let loose the typical "nothing covered" sneeze that three year olds do - the kind that results in a rivulet of snot dripping from the nostril to the upper lip - RIGHT DOWN THE BACK OF MY NECK!

I have never seen a person look more mortified than her mother who somehow stammered out, "I am SO sorry." I said, "Lady, it's okay. Your kid just did me a huge favor."

Upside is that I'm Father of The Year for permanent...and we've never returned to CEC. Ever. Nor will my descendants.

Nothing to do with CV19, I know. But it's one of our family's favorite stories.

 
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