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@shader what’s the NYC Numbers rn? I should bookmark these but someone usually posts something every day.

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2 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

@shader what’s the NYC Numbers rn? I should bookmark these but someone usually posts something every day.

I've been updating in the nyc thread but dont bump, just edit

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55 minutes ago, Ted Lange as your Bartender said:

This is GAME CHANGER. Abbott to market, starting next week, a fast point-of-care #coronavirus test, delivering positive results in 5min and negative results in 13min. 

Seems like by the tenth minute I’d be like “dude I think I know how this is gonna go.”

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22 hours ago, Nipsey said:

Right next to the Panera.

Who are you? St. Louis Bob?

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1 hour ago, Courtjester said:

Our neighborhood (and I sure we aren’t unique) has been doing bear hunts for the little ones. Houses put teddy bears in their windows and families walk about and the kids count bears. Stupid? Maybe, but I can see the stress this virus causes my 15 year old and any way we can take the stress off a four or six year old for even a minute, seems to be worth it. 

 

31 minutes ago, IrishTwinkie said:

Our town library put up a video, read the book to the watchers. Asked the town to put bears in the window. Thought it was a cute idea when I heard it. Took a walk today, work has been rough and it was a nice day... Imagine my surprise when I saw bears all over. About 1/3 of the neighbors when to town. Bears in wagons, chairs, stuffed into windows. It was awesome. I realized I was still a kid at heart cause I was looking for those darn bears on my entire walk. (No! I totally wasn't peeping at those windows! :unsure:)  It was a legit great walk. Who ever had this idea was brilliant. Just brilliant.

This popped up here in RI, as well. Got one of those big bears and will be participating starting tomorrow. 

https://turnto10.com/news/local/social-distancing-bear-hunts-uniting-neighbors-across-nation

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It sounds like a French study really had great results for the hydroxychloroquine and z pack combo. 

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6 minutes ago, Flying Elvis said:

 

This popped up here in RI, as well. Got one of those big bears and will be participating starting tomorrow. 

https://turnto10.com/news/local/social-distancing-bear-hunts-uniting-neighbors-across-nation

We have a couple of small ones in the windows now. I think we have have a large one buried someone in storage, somewhere. Tomorrow's goal is to try to find it and do something fun. Current idea is to have it sit on my porch roof. It will be outside, somehow. Maybe on one of my porch chairs. We'll see. 

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44 minutes ago, tamales said:

For those bored looking for a movie to watch, The Invisible Man is streaming for $20 and well worth it. Great movie

Hard pass. 

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5 minutes ago, IrishTwinkie said:

We have a couple of small ones in the windows now. I think we have have a large one buried someone in storage, somewhere. Tomorrow's goal is to try to find it and do something fun. Current idea is to have it sit on my porch roof. It will be outside, somehow. Maybe on one of my porch chairs. We'll see. 

We have a huge one to put out, but unfortunately have snow coming in tonight. 

We have the virus to worry about, but man is the center of the country in for it the next day or so. The power of the wind today/coupled with snow tonight, means big thunderstorms for the Midwest the next few days.☹️ Watch the skies, guys. 

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@BrianEntin: COVID-19 South Florida Law Enforcement numbers:
-Miami Police: 2 officers positive, 37 in isolation
-Broward Sheriff’s Office: 4 positives, 207 self isolating/monitoring 
-Miami Dade PD: 1 positive, 19 in isolation
-Coral Gables Police: 2 positives

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24 minutes ago, Courtjester said:

We have a huge one to put out, but unfortunately have snow coming in tonight. 

We have the virus to worry about, but man is the center of the country in for it the next day or so. The power of the wind today/coupled with snow tonight, means big thunderstorms for the Midwest the next few days.☹️ Watch the skies, guys. 

The one saving grace of this isolation has been the great weather here.  Between having a large park nearby and working on the lawn, it has been great to break up the work at the CPU and go outdoors.  Of course, a bunch of idiots got all the state parks around closed by crowding them last weekend :wall: 

Really feel for you guys with ####ty or dangerous weather.  Stay safe GB

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34 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

If you are going to read anything on COVID moving forward, please read this.

We are in big, big trouble.

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45 minutes ago, IrishTwinkie said:

We have a couple of small ones in the windows now. I think we have have a large one buried someone in storage, somewhere. Tomorrow's goal is to try to find it and do something fun. Current idea is to have it sit on my porch roof. It will be outside, somehow. Maybe on one of my porch chairs. We'll see. 

Run it up a flagpole and see if anyone salutes it.

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41 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

Hard pass. 

$2.99 tops

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For the record, right now in Rhode Island State Troopers are instructed to pull over anyone with a NY plates to check on their status. I guess it's a reaction to the amount of beachhouse vacation homes here. We're the smallest state but sandwiched between Boston and NY. 

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1 hour ago, shader said:

Does the WHO count?  Or will you not recognize their expertise?

I've worked with WHO in Afghanistan. They're a large organization with a lot of good people - but there are also a lot of bureaucrats. There are many times they're not in a position to challenge what they're told (and it's really not their mission). There were many times our medical teams would get briefings from WHO and we'd just look at each other like "OK I guess that's the official line".  These villages are perfectly fine, these need your help. Don't go here, go over here.

WHO is actually who I had in mind when I specified an org not parroting what they're told. When this first broke and China was covering it up and doctors who were trying to get the word out on social media and then disappearing, WHO was repeating verbatim what the Chinese authorities were presenting. I wasn't the least surprised because I'd already seen it first hand. Again, not disparaging WHO, the problem is China, but frequently the data WHO has can't be trusted.

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1 hour ago, gianmarco said:

If you are going to read anything on COVID moving forward, please read this.

We are in big, big trouble.

Interesting read, but don’t get this

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Despite exponential math being super predictable, the virus continues to use exponential math against all of us in a very tricky way: one of the biggest problems is all of our brains are designed to process information logarithmically (linearly), as opposed to exponentially, which is the way the virus spreads and why it has kicked our butt as a planet.

logarithmically and linearly aren’t the same thing

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1 hour ago, shader said:
2 hours ago, NorvilleBarnes said:

Link?

And to clarify, I'm asking for a link to any epidemiologist or health organization making their own report based on first hand observations and not simply parroting Chinese propaganda. 

Does the WHO count?  Or will you not recognize their expertise?

The original line of questioning is lost several pages back. What are you guys talking about? Topically, I mean?

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5 minutes ago, Doug B said:

The original line of questioning is lost several pages back. What are you guys talking about? Topically, I mean?

I don't trust numbers and information coming out of China. Specifically I don't believe China has the coronavirus under control.

 

ETA: How do you quotes with nested quotes?

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1 hour ago, tamales said:

It sounds like a French study really had great results for the hydroxychloroquine and z pack combo. 

Was a thing last week, got some juice after Trump talked about it earlier this week. That study had some methodological problems and was actually inconclusive. Search this thread for the lead doctor’s name, Didier Raoult, to read lots about that study.

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24 minutes ago, NorvilleBarnes said:

ETA: How do you quotes with nested quotes?

(Drag cursor over both the quote and “body text” you want to nest together. A little black rectangle titled “Quote selection” should pop up. Click on that rectangle and it will nest quotes for you.

Really helpful in a thread like this where I might be quoting something from a few pages back.)

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1 hour ago, gianmarco said:

If you are going to read anything on COVID moving forward, please read this.

We are in big, big trouble.

That’s a freaking awesome post.  As was his update from this week.  So many of the things I can’t express because I’m a crappy writer were said.  And he also enlightened me in a number of ways.

Thank you very much for sharing.  His points about exponential growth were so true. No one gets it.  As an example, I’ve been warning about the exponential growth to friends for a month. Only one friend really gets it and he’s freaked. The rest can’t seem to process it.

That’s also why the whole “but the flu kills x number a year” argument is so infuriating. Yeah we know this hasn’t killed as many as the flu, But when it passes the flu, it’s gonna quickly be killing as many people as the flu killed in a year, in a single day.  That’s not doomsday, that’s math and it’s coming with 100% certainty

Unless we quarantine. 

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9 minutes ago, NorvilleBarnes said:

I don't trust numbers and information coming out of China. Specifically I don't believe China has the coronavirus under control.

 

ETA: How do you quotes with nested quotes?

Read the exponential math post that Gianmarco posted. If they hadn’t eradicated it, their country would have literally fallen apart.  But it hasn’t, they are opening it back up. What they did worked.  Just because there are riots from people angry about the chinese government oppressing them doesn’t mean their efforts to stop the disease didn’t work.  Because they did significantly halt it.  
 

I have no idea what your experience with the WHO is or whether it’s relevant to the situation at hand. But their 40 page pdf remains the best single document on this virus that I’ve read and it has held up remarkably well as the virus has advanced throughout the world. 
 

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1 hour ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

Recovered-patient plasma has been brought up or asked about at least a dozen times today. Did any popular radio hosts make it a talking point recently?

I have a bad feeling that this treatment is getting treated as an easy “out” by some. “Problem’s solved, let’s get everything opened back up!” There are some major limitations to this kind of therapy. It works, yes, but a single donor can only give so much plasma. And antibody levels drop after a time, so a recovered patient can’t just keep donating plasma forevermore.

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From a friend living in China:

"It wasn't foreigners. Only 10% of new cases coming in were foreigners, the rest was chinese returning, and they are still allowed.

The numbers have been bullish!t from the very beginning. 

Just look at this article... The chinese government reported 3000 deaths... Which compared to the numbers seen in Italy and Spain, and factoring in things like Healthcare, was absurd. Now 45,000 people are lined up in Wuhan to pick up ashes... 

AsiaNews.it

Wuhan, endless queues for ashesof coronavirus dead cast doubts on numbers

by Lu Haitao

During the epidemic, the dead were cremated immediately, without ceremonies and without specifying the cause of death. Now family members are waiting to bury the urns containing the ashes of their loved ones. About 45,000 urnes will be distributed in Wuhan alone. The number of coronavirus deaths in China is deliberately underestimated. In the days of the peak of the epidemic, the crematory ovens worked for 19 hours a day. Journalists Li Zehua, Fang Bin, Chen Qiushi have disappeared. Photos and videos of queues at Funeral Parlors and cemeteries are blocked on social media.

Wuhan (AsiaNews) - Hundreds, perhaps thousands of people are queuing in front of Funeral Parlors in Wuhan to collect the urns with the ashes of their deceased who died in the coronavirus epidemic during city’s forced isolation.

All those who died during the epidemic were immediately cremated, without any funeral ceremony and without specifying the causes of death. Family members had to wait for the authorities' notice to retrieve the ashes of their loved ones.

On the brink of a profound economic crisis, China is pushing to restore normalcy to the country, and has scheduled the reopening of communications in Wuhan on April 8. A sign of this "normality" is the collection of urns by relatives in preparation for the feast of Qingming, on April 4th, when the tombs of the deceased are honored.

The queues and the dead

The long queues in front of the Funeral Parlors provoke the question of how many coronavirus deaths there really were. So far China has only reported 3298 deaths.

A photo released yesterday on social media (see photo) shows a long line outside the Funeral Parlor in Hankow, a district of Wuhan. Online comments say that people have had to wait for hours while public security and plainclothes policemen were watching that no one took photos. To take the ashes of their deceased, family members had to be escorted by Funeral Parlor staff members or city officials. The comments speak of "a form of surveillance".

Caixin magazine notes that the queue outside Hankow's Funeral Parlor was approximately 200 meters long; thousands of empty urns were unloaded from a truck and stacked in the Funeral Parlor.

Another "funeral hall" in Wuchang (another Wuhan neighborhood) has announced that family members can come to collect the urns with ashes from 23 March. The Funeral Parlor plans to distribute 500 per day, up to Qingming. This means around 6500 urns throughout this period.

Wuhan has seven Funeral Parlors: if it is calculated that each of them will distribute urns at the same rate as the one in Wuchang, it adds up to an estimated 45,500 urns for the city of Wuhan alone.

Perhaps not all of these deaths can be attributed to coronavirus, but it is almost certain that the official figures are purposely underestimated.

A Caixin reporter said earlier that the Funeral Parlor cremation ovens worked for 19 hours a day in February.

Li Zehua, a former CCTV television presenter who came to Wuhan as a freelancer to report on the epidemic, has been arrested and there has been no news of his whereabouts for over a month. Two other journalists have disappeared, Fang Bin and Chen Qiushi: they too were working in Wuhan. Li Zehua reported his visit to the Funeral Parlor in Qingshan between 10 and 11 p.m. on February 19 when the crematoria were still in operation.

Videos also appeared online showing long queues of people outside the Biandanshan cemetery, waiting to bury the ashes of their deceased. But even these photos and videos have been censored and taken down.

In all likelihood the exact number of coronavirus victims will never be known. During the days of the peak of the Wuhan epidemic, the health system collapsed and many patients did not have the opportunity to be hospitalized. They died before any diagnosis and were cremated without being included in official statistics.

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8 minutes ago, shader said:

Read the exponential math post that Gianmarco posted. If they hadn’t eradicated it, their country would have literally fallen apart.  But it hasn’t, they are opening it back up. What they did worked.  Just because there are riots from people angry about the chinese government oppressing them doesn’t mean their efforts to stop the disease didn’t work.  Because they did significantly halt it.  
 

I have no idea what your experience with the WHO is or whether it’s relevant to the situation at hand. But their 40 page pdf remains the best single document on this virus that I’ve read and it has held up remarkably well as the virus has advanced throughout the world. 
 

Admittedly not relevant other than to say I'm not just some guy in my moms basement at the keyboard going yknow I just don't trust WHO's data for no reason. There's some life experience and first hand observation behind my skepticism.  Also, you asked.

Try to imagine all of this going on here during our Christmas season, with all of the holiday travel. Seemingly all of America travelling somewhere to be home for the holidays. Now imagine the U.S. has ten cities like New York. Not Portland or NOLA - ten monster cities. The Chinese New Year is like our holiday travel on steroids. The largest human migration on the planet. Hundreds of millions of people. Many going to and from these monster cities. One of them, Wuhan.

If they kicked all the journalists out of New York and Trump got up and said good news no more cases in New York. Would you believe him? If the WHO repeated the report would you believe it?

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On 3/26/2020 at 8:51 PM, Ted Lange as your Bartender said:

I’m onboard with not posting political stuff here.  

But the fact that the mods have not done a single thing about the pages and pages of bucksoh laughing emojis on some really serious and sad posts is incredible to me, and the exact opposite of “being excellent”.  They’re far more offensive than any political post in this entire thread.

And he's still doing it.

It's disgusting. 

We have thousands dead and he's laughing at posts that discuss this and worse. 

How he's still allowed here and can keep doing that is beyond me.

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Just now, shader said:

I heard about this a week ago from a source that I didn’t fully trust.  But if recovered people could still transmit the virus, that would obviously be a nightmare.  

So far, it doesn’t seem to be an issue that second-infection carriers are transmitting the virus.

Note that in the NPR article linked, there are some dissenting explanations put forth about the apparent reinfections.

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2 hours ago, gianmarco said:

If you are going to read anything on COVID moving forward, please read this.

We are in big, big trouble.

I couldn’t get past him saying “explode like a bomb”, and “this is a sneaky virus” about 75 times.  I understand the message but dude get to the point.

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10 minutes ago, shader said:

I heard about this a week ago from a source that I didn’t fully trust.  But if recovered people could still transmit the virus, that would obviously be a nightmare.  

I've lived in an oppressed country. The government is never truthful or revealing. So I don't trust any scientist, doctor, police, etc there. In Iran if you ragged on them, either you're tossed in jail or worse. We'd get our real news from family over there.

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3 minutes ago, Lacey said:

I couldn’t get past him saying “explode like a bomb”, and “this is a sneaky virus” about 75 times.  I understand the message but dude get to the point.

Lol. I thought the exact same thing.

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22 minutes ago, Slapdash said:

Why can't we leave the politics out of this?

 I agree.  
that And I check in here once and awhile through the day, but damn some folks need to do themselves a favor and go think about something else for a bit.   The doomsday talk in here is non stop and probably not good for some people. 

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18 minutes ago, Lacey said:

I couldn’t get past him saying “explode like a bomb”, and “this is a sneaky virus” about 75 times.  I understand the message but dude get to the point.

It was way too long and repetitive.  Hard pass.

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31 minutes ago, JaxBill said:

A hotspot in rural Albany, Georgia can be traced back to two large funerals in late February.

A month ago?  And it’s a hotspot now?  

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21 minutes ago, matttyl said:

A month ago?  And it’s a hotspot now?  

So Fulton/Dekalb County which represents most of metro Atlanta with a population of about 1.7-1.8M, have a combined 563 cases and 14 deaths.  This podunk county in the SW part of the state with a population of fewer than 100k people has 203 cases and 13 deaths.

 

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