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2 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

OMFG! My neighborhood block party made the news! Fox News Boston sent a  crew to cover the party. But they spun it as a great thing! They praised the neighbor for raising the spirits of the neighborhood and encouraged people to do similar things in their own communities. They showed people dancing and smiling and said this is exactly what we all need to be doing, and we need more of that.  

People in town are all over FB either saying it was the best thing ever or they are so sad they missed it. People are actually asking when the next one will be. I. Am. Speechless.

No way.  This can’t be right.  Link for this?   There has to be more to the story...:shock:

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1 hour ago, parasaurolophus said:

Senator Pat Toomey on board with masks. 

#masks4all

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Bunch of stories in the last few days too. Bout damn time. 

I work for healthcare system. We recently put out a notice that employees were allowed to wear there own "social comfort" masks from home. This would be when not interacting with patients.

A couple weeks later I heard they should not do that because sneezing or coughing into your own mask can actually make you sick.

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1 hour ago, NotSmart said:

Yikes... wonder whether she was on the "we'd better get moving cause ####'s gonna get real" side or the "let's think positive thoughts" side.

I'm guessing the let's get moving side.

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4 minutes ago, Sputnikv8 said:

No way.  This can’t be right.  Link for this?   There has to be more to the story...:shock:

I'd love to forward the video to national news.

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53 minutes ago, Morton Muffley said:

And if it only doubles 5 times over the next month, we're looking at a guaranteed 4+ quadrillion dead by the end of May!  

 

; hope you see the flaw in your logic.  Fwiw, your point is valid, it's just that you aren't helping your case with the math.

It's exponential growth and his math is right.

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16 minutes ago, Sputnikv8 said:

No way.  This can’t be right.  Link for this?   There has to be more to the story...:shock:

I can’t find a link to the video. It was on Fox25 News. They didn’t show people gathering, only the host/homeowner, the DJ, some close ups of people smiling, and a couple of kids dancing. They never showed a crowd or a wide shot that this was across multiple yards. The message was someone bringing a smile to the neighborhood by hiring a DJ and blasting music. No mention of people congregating. So the news story didn’t tell the whole story. And they didn’t encourage people to have parties. So they weren’t telling people to defy any shelter in place orders, but that’s what was really happening.

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This video is phenomenal:

Doc Delivers COVID mechanism in next whiteboard laymans breakdown I've seen by far. 

30 minutes everyone should spend. Very engaging, funny, a little irreverent.

He also delivers a very pointed message to everyone at the end that should be required viewing for everyone. 

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13 minutes ago, [icon] said:

This video is phenomenal:

Doc Delivers COVID mechanism in next whiteboard laymans breakdown I've seen by far. 

30 minutes everyone should spend. Very engaging, funny, a little irreverent.

He also delivers a very pointed message to everyone at the end that should be required viewing for everyone. 

Great instructor. Cool dude, and swears too.

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Wife and I got drunk/played dice with our friends tonight.  Via zoom I think it was? Weird times but it was actually pretty fun

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59 minutes ago, cap'n grunge said:

I work for healthcare system. We recently put out a notice that employees were allowed to wear there own "social comfort" masks from home. This would be when not interacting with patients.

A couple weeks later I heard they should not do that because sneezing or coughing into your own mask can actually make you sick.

Going to need a link here because this sounds like something made up. 

I tried googling and there is nothing. I can find some yokel at u of iowa that says they make you touch your face more often, but studies contradict him and that is just his opinion.

There is no logic to how sneezing in your mask can make you sick. I mean maybe if you sneezed like 50btimes and your mask got saturated with sneeze and was dripping and then basically breathed too much liquid in your lungs, but that is a reach and could also happen if you drank apple juice and somehow breathed it in. Nobody would tell you to stop drinking apple juice because it is bad for your lungs.

 

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NYT; N.Y.C.’s 911 System Is Overwhelmed. ‘I’m Terrified,’ a Paramedic Says.

With coronavirus cases mounting, emergency workers are making life-or-death decisions about who goes to a hospital, and who is left behind.

One segment: 

"On Thursday, dispatchers took more than 7,000 calls — a volume not seen since the Sept. 11 attacks. The record for amount of calls in a day was broken three times in the last week.

Because of the volume, emergency medical workers are making life-or-death decisions about who is sick enough to take to crowded emergency rooms and who appears well enough to leave behind. They are assessing on scene which patients should receive time-consuming measures like CPR and intubation, and which patients are too far gone to save."

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Ninja nerd medicine science (science) on YouTube covid 19 series is fantastic. Dude is detailed and explains stuff really well.

First up is epidemiology, pathophysiology, diagnostics.

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4 minutes ago, [icon] said:

NYT; N.Y.C.’s 911 System Is Overwhelmed. ‘I’m Terrified,’ a Paramedic Says.

With coronavirus cases mounting, emergency workers are making life-or-death decisions about who goes to a hospital, and who is left behind.

One segment: 

"On Thursday, dispatchers took more than 7,000 calls — a volume not seen since the Sept. 11 attacks. The record for amount of calls in a day was broken three times in the last week.

Because of the volume, emergency medical workers are making life-or-death decisions about who is sick enough to take to crowded emergency rooms and who appears well enough to leave behind. They are assessing on scene which patients should receive time-consuming measures like CPR and intubation, and which patients are too far gone to save."

Terrible situations like this will finally get some of the disbelieving and the disinterested segments of the general public to start paying attention.

They'll also start to realize that what they've been told, and what they're now seeing... don't match up.

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5 hours ago, Soulfly3 said:

i really try not to dig into american politics much, it isnt my country... which, funny enough, is the opposite of most here, who know NOTHING of cdn politics, but are 100% up to date on american..

anyways... am i wrong in assuming that trump plays a major role in this, w his early denials? seems his voters wouldve fallen right into that trap and still maintain it's a conspiracy

 

Unfortunately we’ve been outright told that important discussions like this aren’t to be held here but rather the political forum, which has a brand of censorship and whitewashing of conversation that I personally feel does a disservice to the very type of honest, blunt and meaningful discourse that is most needed during these times.  That said it’s also understandable that those who own those boards and provide us the opportunity to join the convo as guests have difficult choices to make and as such, these are there rules, which I try to then respect. 
 

suffice it to say, there are a large number of Americans that, politics aside, have been been fed / feed themselves such propaganda that facts no longer really matter... be those scientific facts or objective news/reality. That denial of fact and a focus on personality rather than substance (at times personalities that run directly counter to what some claim to be fundamental tenets of their life and faith) is a big reason we are here as a nation. 
 

Hope that answers without being political, because it’s a damn good and important question. 

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9 minutes ago, [icon] said:

The problem is, and has always been, that we don’t have enough. As much as I agree with it, this will cause problems. There haven’t been masks in stores for weeks, people are going to steal them from people that need the more.

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3 hours ago, Slapdash said:

The last couple of weeks have been one.

It’s barely 30 minutes into the movie. Got an hour and a half to go and I’m not sure we’ve seen anything close to the climax yet. 
 

People are getting stir crazy a week or two into a likely 6-8 week unfolding.

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1 hour ago, mozzy84 said:

Wife and I got drunk/played dice with our friends tonight.  Via zoom I think it was? Weird times but it was actually pretty fun

My family is planning our annual Passover Seder by Zoom. 

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14 hours ago, moleculo said:

IMO we will know when we can let off a little bit when (1) testing is ubiquitous (2) the number of new infections per day is clearly decreasing and (3) our hospitals can handle it.

It is?

Edited by Navin Johnson
---getting late, need to go to bed.

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53 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

 

 

 

39 minutes ago, [icon] said:

This is terrible imo. There's already a shortage for our front line caregivers. Don't add to the problem. 

Sorry did not mean to quote that first part.

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8 minutes ago, Navin Johnson said:

It is?

Re-read the post. That was a list of things that will need to happen in the future for us to let up on the social distancing. 

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6 hours ago, tangfoot said:

WTF, durian flavored?  But, why???

You surely don't want durian smelling ones, that's why

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35 minutes ago, Biff84 said:

The problem is, and has always been, that we don’t have enough. As much as I agree with it, this will cause problems. There haven’t been masks in stores for weeks, people are going to steal them from people that need the more.

Make your own
https://youtu.be/mai-UqdNRi8

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11 minutes ago, cap'n grunge said:

 

This is terrible imo. There's already a shortage for our front line caregivers. Don't add to the problem. blockquote widget

Make your own

https://youtu.be/mai-UqdNRi8

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6 hours ago, Ben Hur said:
7 hours ago, shader said:

MOP if you want an idea of why the USA is screwed look at this map.  Look at the flights in the air over the USA.  Then scroll to Europe.  Note the difference. 
 

https://flightaware.com/live/map

It's night time in Europe

Try again. The EU has allowed for airlines to cancel flights without fear of losing landng slots, that solved a lot of jet fuel needlessly being burnt

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7 hours ago, bradyfan said:

Twitter videos of how well social distancing is working

Confinement in France

People need to get groceries and markets are where we get them half the time. And many appear to be respecting the space of others.

You should see markets like that on a non-confinement day.

India is doomed.

 

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10 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Listen!...You smell something? :oldunsure:

Took my first shot at charro beans yesterday with the intention to make the left overs refried.  No jalapeno in the house so substituted two chipotles.  Awesome stuff.  My grandmothers would be proud.  Too spicy for the wife though and it looks like I might be quarantined to the guest room for a few days.

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The gods are shining upon me.  I just found a full box of n95 masks in my garage. 

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41 minutes ago, cap'n grunge said:

This is terrible imo. There's already a shortage for our front line caregivers. Don't add to the problem. 

The shortage is temporary. Once supply lines are solidified, then the official recommendation will change. Just watch.

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3 hours ago, [scooter] said:

What's stopping people from entering Florida through one of the dozens of other border crossings?

Dozens?  lolz

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20 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

The shortage is temporary. Once supply lines are solidified, then the official recommendation will change. Just watch.

I don't think you recognize the shortage levels. Im not an expert by any means but I've gotten a little glimpse into some of the numbers we are talking about through my wife who works in healthcare supply chain. Just with normal non-Covid use they go through an unbelievable volume of PPE. Es no bueno.

A quick search found this:

The numbers are staggering. In a “severe event,” the United States will need 3.5 billion N95 masks, according to Robert Kadlec, MD, assistant secretary for preparedness and response (ASPR) at the Department of Health and Human Services. “We have about 35 million,” he told the House Committee on Oversight and Reform on March 3. In a March 21 letter to Kadlec and Secretary Alex M. Azar II, Democrats on the committee wrote: “The United States has only 12 million N95 masks in the Strategic National Stockpile — our country’s largest reserve of medical supplies — and as many as 5 million may be expired. Although President Trump announced that the federal government will order 500 million respirator masks to address these shortages, it may take up to 18 months for orders to be fulfilled despite the immediate need for this lifesaving equipment.” The government has begun releasing supplies from the stockpile, but multiple states report that they have received only 10%-25% of their requests for supplies, such as masks, gowns, and gloves.

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/where-all-ppe

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On 3/21/2020 at 9:30 PM, The General said:

Well I guess King County hasn’t been told to stay in yet. Would be curious what you would see if we did.

But yeah, I’m only seeing this one little area though.  

Going to work every single day because building brand new infrastructure for the government is "essential " .  Jay doesnt want people to have sleep overs and screw the small business restaurants, but we cant have government contracts loosing money. See how that works?  

30% peeps on the freeway.  Super markets half full when I stop on the way home. Will adventure out tomorrow and will report back. 

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24 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

The shortage is temporary. Once supply lines are solidified, then the official recommendation will change. Just watch.

The shortage is not temporary. My boss fought hard to get PPE for us in the pharmacy. You know how much she got for us? 10 boxes. Not 10 boxes per store, but total for her entire district which about 40 stores. We’re not talking about good masks, just the simple ones. That’s all we can get right now and we’re one of the largest supermarket chains in the US.

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6 hours ago, Nathan R. Jessep said:

Have you tried nasal saline rinse or a neti pot? That CURED my seasonal allergies, and I used to take Claritin, etc. daily for it. 

How often do you rinse?

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7 hours ago, [scooter] said:

What's stopping people from entering Florida through one of the dozens of other border crossings?

nothing. But you'd have to get off the interstate after you cross Mobile bay and before the state line, negotiate the back roads, and back on the interstate in Florida.

All so the state can't track out of state passengers.

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11 hours ago, cap'n grunge said:

I should start another thread for this but I'll just put it here. Looking for some suggestions.

I've always had sinus/allergy issues. I don't know if it's pollen etc or food related. I've never really done much about it.

Staying at home for the last couple weeks has really ramped things up. I get stuffed up, post nasal drip, swollen feeling tonsils, lump I throat etc. It sucks. I think maybe worse after I eat? Could be dairy, wheat, who knows. 

Been trying Claritan.. doesn't seem to help. Been using NyQuil at night. Took some DayQuil now. Helps a little. Hard to sleep when stuffed up and try to move down throat but doesn't seem to budge.

Just ordered one of those Navage things. Have large tonsils and tried to get them out years ago and insurance wouldn't cover. Got a CPAP last year and really didn't like it so haven't been using it...another issue but related.

Would really like to see an ENT and see if I could get some relief at some point but not even going to try with COVID going on.

So besides trying the Navage any other suggestions? Oh I also bought an air cleaner for the room I sleep in and need to get that set up. Also need to do some.more whole home dusting etc.

Wondering I guess if there is other otc meds I should be trying as well. Any other suggestions appreciated. Thanks!

I get this every other year.  Just getting over it. They prescribed an antibiotic.  See a doctor. Most offer telemedicine now and you dont need to leave your house.  Thats what i did and he could see over video and diagnose. 

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12 hours ago, Tecumseh said:

Idk what the mechanism is, but I’ve seen in multiple places that taking ibuprofen significantly worsens symptoms and outcomes. I’m just staying away from it.

Woke up yesterday morning with a headache. The wife suggested I take some aspirin and not ibuprofen. Well, the aspirin didn't do anything so last night I said F it and took some ibuprofen. Took a nap and woke up without a headache. Guess I'm currently negative. Seems like a cheap test to me.

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4 hours ago, Navin Johnson said:

How often do you rinse?

I Neti every morning...asked a ENT doc about it and he had no problem with that use.

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4 hours ago, Biff84 said:

The shortage is not temporary. My boss fought hard to get PPE for us in the pharmacy. You know how much she got for us? 10 boxes. Not 10 boxes per store, but total for her entire district which about 40 stores. We’re not talking about good masks, just the simple ones. That’s all we can get right now and we’re one of the largest supermarket chains in the US.

PPE is definitely not available as we would hope.   The NIOSH approved face shields used at my company are on back order until August.   

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5 hours ago, [scooter] said:

The shortage is temporary. Once supply lines are solidified, then the official recommendation will change. Just watch.

Unfortunately, I think I agree with this.  My confidence in the CDC (and WHO, but that's a different story) has plummeted over the past few weeks.

I always had a low opinion of the FDA.

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2 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

Unfortunately, I think I agree with this.  My confidence in the CDC (and WHO, but that's a different story) has plummeted over the past few weeks.

I always had a low opinion of the FDA.

Hey...you want your confidence blown even more?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/us/testing-coronavirus-pandemic.html

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Sending out 2nd to last box of 20 N95 masks to the GF's niece in Somerset KY. She's a new Nurse and has said their PPE situation is "a joke". She's said they have zero N95 masks and are being allocated one surgical mask per shift. 

We are sending them under the condition she use them only for herself (under their Provided surgical mask) until they have relief in sight. 

Note that her hospital was a #justaflu bro hospital. I spoke with her in February and she laughed my warnings off, said nobody's worried at the hospital. No worry = no planning, and now thru have no way to protect themselves or their staff. The early stage deniers will literally cost lives.

I have zero doubts this is incredibly common at rural hospitals throughout America. 

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