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The real double whammy would be if the folks that have come down to FL wait about 3 weeks, when NY / NJ is starting to recover, and decide to go back and are unknowing carriers.
You can’t do contact tracing and have it be effective until you get down to a small number of new cases per day. We will see if we can get there again....
Both of you, and everyone else, please don't take this political. We have a whole forum for that where people ruin threads with "I didn't do that, YOU did that". Take 100% of that type of talk there please.
I'd estimate that about 90% of my worries aren't about me, but about others. I'm more worried about my wife & kids, and older family members and friends. If I were a single guy living in a less affected area (I'm in NJ, a few miles from NYC), I'm sure I'd be less concerned about this awful situation overall. YMMV.
Country living has never been more appealing. Imagine the exodus from cities the next time this happens and there will be a next time. Covid-19, reason #143 to not live in a city.
Really? Everything that has come out is actually worse for people 20-50 than what people previously were saying/thinking. The last thing I want as a 41yr old father is to end up in a crowded hospital alone with a tube cut into my throat.
Repeatedly hitting workout equipment with a baseball bat does not constitute a work out, regardless of how hard they swing.
25-50 is bad with underlying conditions. I just read an article that 94% of hospitalizations have preexisting heart/lung or diabetes. If you don't have those even as an older person you're unlikely to need to go to the hospital (it could be unpleasant without hospitalization sure)'. Add in 20-25% asymptomatic and I'm not nervous personally. It reacts differently than you'd expect so it could kill me but unlikely. I just miss the freedom to go outside when I want. And I hope we see it again in 2020, I am very nervous we will be locked down the entire year in Denver since we're reacting early and fast and keep extending the date past the rest of the state.
The "testing" part is straightforward. I don't think anybody doubts that we can do widespread testing. (My apologies if I missed a post along those lines -- this thread moves fast, even overnight). It's the contact tracing part that becomes impossible once the number of cases gets over a certain threshold.
You certainly may be right, but I think that human nature/culture is consumption over savings and most people will be back to normal spending practices, and social practices assuming a vaccine, within a couple of years. I don't think the impact will be as deep as you imply, although I also don't think Wall Street is accounting for the smaller impact that will happen yet.
I also think if when we get on the other side of this we do widespread testing for antibodies the death rate will be a lot closer to what all the scientific journals are postulating (less than 1%) and people will be a lot less scared. Especially once we know how long you have immunity. Experts are pretty confident you have immunity after getting Corona but not sure how long it lasts yet.
To add. Lots of people in that age range simply don’t go to the Doctor. So they may actually have an underlying condition and not know it.
This was my thought also. Underlying health conditions and known underlying health conditions are two different things.
Message boards are like Twitter, it brings out the extremes. I live in a smaller town near the beach, lots of retired people. Everyone here is following the rules, but not worried at all, and mostly staying upbeat. Most just go out and play golf every day, ride their bike, take walks, work on their yards, go to the grocery store once a week, and maybe do take-out food a few times a week.
This seems a bit self-centered. But at least you're following the law, so that's better than many.
This is going to be happening at most hospitals. My wife works at a small rural hospital in Ohio and it is hitting them hard.oh no
Coronavirus financial losses prompt Boston Medical Center to furlough 700 employees, 10% of hospital’s workforce Link
Boston: Beth Israel CEO, two dozen execs take pay cuts Link
Alteon Health, a staffing company backed by private-equity firm Frazier Healthcare Partners, will cut salaries, time off and retirement benefits for providers, citing lost revenue. Several hospital operators announced similar cuts. Link
Intermountain will cut pay for doctors and nurse practitioners amid coronavirus pandemic Link
Already Taxed Health Care Workers Not ‘Immune’ From Layoffs And Less Pay Link
Obviously this can and certainly has happened, but most cases i read about this isnt how it has happened. Minor hospitalizations obviously dont make the national media stories though so i have no idea how prevalent it is there.
Surgeries, rehab, physical therapy and outpatient services. The number of people coming into the ER is also down almost 75%.
People need to stop assuming this cannot impact them. I can’t link the table, but this excerpt from a clinical review says it all:
Every older group has even higher hospitalization rates. Do some of those younger people have comorbidities? Sure. But I’m personally aware of two cases under age 30 in our hospital with no preexisting conditions.
At hospitals in South Florida, the only public talk about layoffs that I've heard is from the 2100 bed Jackson Health in Miami. Last week, the CEO said there would be layoffs if this continues. Another hospital will be stopping use of ELB (sick leave) and force employees to use PTO. Any employee making less than $25 per hour is probably better off financially collecting unemployeement; that would be MAs, CNAs. Most nurses make alot more than that. Aren't hospitals getting stimulus funds?
I have my doubts that we would ever be able to pull this off. Country is too large and people are too stubborn to be able to test everyone in a short period.
Exactly. This should have been easy.
I wonder if these are actual RNs and MDs getting furloughed?oh no
Coronavirus financial losses prompt Boston Medical Center to furlough 700 employees, 10% of hospital’s workforce Link
In what capacity?
Exactly. It's not an issue of military capacity or technological know-how. It's more like a math problem.
My son does medical coding in Southern NH. Usually it's a struggle to keep up. Now the coders are being asked to reduce their hours by 20%. A lot fewer office visits, more tele-visits. Mostly he supports cardiologists and their patients are typically high risk, so it makes sense that they would reduce the office visits wherever possible.oh no
Coronavirus financial losses prompt Boston Medical Center to furlough 700 employees, 10% of hospital’s workforce Link
Boston: Beth Israel CEO, two dozen execs take pay cuts Link
Alteon Health, a staffing company backed by private-equity firm Frazier Healthcare Partners, will cut salaries, time off and retirement benefits for providers, citing lost revenue. Several hospital operators announced similar cuts. Link
Intermountain will cut pay for doctors and nurse practitioners amid coronavirus pandemic Link
Already Taxed Health Care Workers Not ‘Immune’ From Layoffs And Less Pay Link
I agree. The list didn't even include work out facilities, it just says "places with shared equipment". I have already seen places get around this by saying they clean the equipment between users.SC is kinda pissing me off. Came out with the “all non-essential businesses shut down” yesterday. They are piecemealing a statewide shutdown and for what? Shut the place down already. They basically told hair dressers and the rub & tug gang to shut it down yesterday
That’s what happened around here. The elective surgical units and specialists got furloughed or laid off. From what I can tell it’s “mostly” support staff, but in some cases maybe even the doctors. No offense to any of these awesome doctors, but you’d probably rather have a med student and certainly any type of RN than someone like a urologist or plastic surgeon helping you through COVID.
Not exactly a measurable outcome. Singapore has been pretty thorough with disinfecting and they have done well, but they have done well with lots of things, so hard to say how much the cleaning has mattered.
Huh.
But then you touch the things you touched with your gloves.
My take on this so not anything more than my experience with it but, bleach kills this stuff (or any of a myriad of FDA approved solutions). It has to create a sheen and has to stay wet for about 10 minutes to be effective so you see these guys walking around fogging everything. That works great for outside or even large areas indoor but what it doesn't do well is interact with people. Think of swimming in a chlorinated pool all day and when you finish up, your eyes are puffy from all the chlorine and you probably have the taste of it in your mouth. Same thing with this stuff. Now imagine doing that everyday for 2-3 months.
I always thought these efforts done outdoors were more for show or more for out of desperation more than anything that truly put a dent in the virus spread.
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